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So what did you mean by settled?
 
I meant I'm no longer as confident as I was at the time of that post? :)
 
You clearly are deeper into this than I am.  So instead of betting against you, how about I just ask: have there been any interesting blog posts or other analyses of the likelihood of outcomes in this case?  I'm way more interested than I am informed when it comes to this case (and perhaps in other cases).
 

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I'm not aware of any legal blogs following the case. As I wrote above, the claims seeking to vacate the consent decree are basically dead. As such, I would really start to wonder who is bankrolling the lawsuit, and whether he/she has the stomach to withstand what the NCAA and Latham & Watkins will be sure to make a very expensive, time-consuming and perhaps embarrassing discovery process for (what I see as) the faint hope that the remaining trustee, Jay Paterno, and/or William Kenney may recover some monetary damages.
 
There is not yet even a preliminary scheduling order in this case. Plaintiffs have until February 6 to amend their complaint, and then there will be another round of objections, opposition, reply and hearing, I wouldn't expect a discovery deadline of anything before this time next year from this judge, and I think that's being aggressive timewise.
 

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While continuation of this mess pains me, to continue the thread to some unknowable, yet subjectively calculable conclusion, the Paternos have added Penn State as a "nominal defendant" in its suit against the NCAA.  I think there has been much speculation that they would never target Penn State - nominally or otherwise. 
 
"The lawsuit is not intended to punish Penn State, Paterno family lawyer Wick Sollers said. Instead, the suit asks that the punishments levied against the school be thrown out."
 
"'To be clear, we do not seek any monetary damages from Penn State, nor do we ask that the court order Penn State to take any action,' Sollers said."
 
"Sollers said the lawsuit is identifying Penn State as a 'nominal defendant' because Penn State signed on to the consent decree. He said the concept was 'well accepted in the law but not used often.'"
 
I'm not sufficiently baptized in the legal niceties of what "well accepted" is.  Just putting it out there.
 

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Recent development: Court questions validity of sanctions against Penn State
 
 
"In a 6-1 decision, with President Judge Dan Pellegrini dissenting, the judicial panel upheld a state law designed to keep the proceeds of the $60 million NCAA fine of Penn State within Pennsylvania. But the court went further, saying that filings by the NCAA had presented factual questions about the association's authority to impose a series of sanctions and the validity of the document through which it did so."
 
"The Consent Decree expressly recognizes the NCAA's questionable involvement in and its dubious authority pertaining to a criminal action against a non-university official which involved children who were non-university student-athletes," wrote Judge Anne E. Covey for the majority.
 
She quotes from the consent decree that "[t]he sexual abuse of children on a university campus by a former university official ... while despicable, ordinarily would not be actionable by the NCAA."
But this had not been raised as an issue in the case, the opinion Wednesday stated, until the NCAA in its filings presented issues related to its authority to impose a fine and the validity of the consent decree. The court said it would not make a legal determination without a hearing on "the disputed factual issues," and it ordered Penn State made a party to the case.
Judge Covey's full opinion.
 

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Case slowly moving along.

One of the primary cogs: "Big Red". Mike McQueary.

Lengthy Don Natta, Jr. Article for
 ESPN, The Magazine, "The Whistleblower's Last Stand"
 
Among other things, the article points to one particularly troubling element surrounding McQuesry - the inconsistency of his statements.

"He also wrote an email to a prosecutor and a Sandusky investigator, clarifying what he had seen. "I cannot say 1000 percent sure that it was sodomy," McQueary wrote in this previously undisclosed email dated Nov. 10, 2011. "I did not see insertion ... it was sexual and/or way over the line in my opinion, whatever it was." This appeared to be a retreat from what he wrote in Statement 1 a year earlier: "Certain that sexual acts/the young boy being sodomized was occuring [sic]." It was also far different from the prosecutors' description in the presentment that he had seen "anal intercourse."

 
And then this:
 
"Did sexual assault occur on Feb. 9, 2001? That question will likely be explored at the trial of Spanier, Curley and Schultz, especially if the defense calls to the stand Victim 2, an individual claiming to be the boy McQueary saw in the shower with Sandusky.
Victim 2 has never testified under oath -- he and Victim 8 were the only two of Sandusky's 10 victims who did not -- and no one is certain what Victim 2 would say. But the defense would likely hope it'd be something similar to what he told Joe Amendola, Sandusky's defense lawyer, in November 2011. Days after the presentment was released, Amendola received a phone call from a man in his mid-20s, claiming to be Victim 2. At the time, his identity was unknown to the prosecutors, so Amendola thought he'd caught a break. On Nov. 9, 2011, the young man and his mother sat on a couch in Amendola's office to answer a series of questions.
The man told Amendola that at the time of the shower incident he was 14, not 10 or 11, as McQueary estimated. According to a five-page memo of the interview written by Curtis Everhart, Amendola's investigator, the man also said that the incident happened on Feb. 9, 2001 -- the Friday after national signing day, a busy night on campus -- not on March 1, 2002, as the prosecution had written in its presentment. The man said "this particular night is very clear in my mind," the memo states. In the shower after a workout, the man said he and Sandusky "were slapping towels at each other, trying to sting each other. I would slap the walls and would slide on the shower floor, which I am sure you could have heard from the wooden locker." The man said he recalled hearing a locker slam but never saw who closed it.
"The grand jury report says Coach McQueary said he observed Jerry and I engaged in sexual activity," the man said. "Nothing occurred that night in the shower."
 

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Recent development.  
Pennsylvania judge orders NCAA back into the ring in fight over Penn State consent decree
"...a Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court judge on Friday ...assert[ed] that major questions about the validity of that July 2012 agreement deserve their day in court."
 
"[Judge] Covey's ruling comes in a case that started as an effort by state Sen. Jake Corman, a Republican from Bellefonte, to force enforcement of a law requiring proceeds of the $60 million fine levied by the NCAA against Penn State to be spent in-state."
 
In an earlier ruling, "Covey held questions raised by the parties in that case demanded a trial on the validity of the entire agreement between Penn State and the NCAA that gave birth to the fine and other sanctions." [emphasis added]
 
"Noting that she already held the state law keeping the $60 million in Pennsylvania valid in April, Covey said that 'in effect required both the NCAA and PSU to comply with the Endowment Act's terms, subject to this court's determination on the validity of the consent decree...'"
 
"'The NCAA and PSU cannot dismiss themselves from litigation by declaring the consent decree valid and simply agreeing to do that which the law already requires,' Covey concluded."
 

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Slowing moving along.
 
Internal Emails Show NCAA Questioned Authority to Sanction Penn State
 
Here is PA Senator Jake Corman's filing.
 
[SIZE=11pt]"[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]Internal NCAA emails released yesterday as part of of Senator Jake Corman’s lawsuit show that NCAA officials questioned their own authority to sanction Penn State and that it was banking on Penn State being “[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]so embarrassed they will do anything” when it handed down its severe sanctions in July 2012.[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=11pt]“'We could try to assert jurisdiction on this issue and may be successful but it’d be a stretch,' wrote former NCAA Vice President of Enforcement Julie Roe in an email on July 14, 10 days before the sanctions were announced. 'I characterized our approach to PSU as a bluff when talking to Mark [Emmert] yesterday afternoon after the call. He basically agreed b/c if we make this an enforcement issue, we may win the immediate battle but lose the war when the COI [Committee on Infractions] has to rule.'[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=11pt]"Not only did the NCAA admit that it was bluffing Penn State when it extorted it into signing the consent decree — it admitted that, without Penn State complying out of embarrassment (or whatever reason Old Main gives these days), it didn't have jurisdiction to act."[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=11pt]And the closing sentence of the article is intriguing: "If this sort of blunt language is in the emails the NCAA chose NOT to fight, imagine the stuff in the ones it did. In any case, discovery should be fun."[/SIZE]
 
 
 
 

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Nice to see that those of us who have long believed that the NCAA basically makes it up as they go along were being too charitable.
 
What a bunch of frauds...
 

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Average Reds said:
Nice to see that those of us who have long believed that the NCAA basically makes it up as they go along were being too charitable.
 
What a bunch of frauds...
Maybe I'm misinterpreting your response, but the NCAA was about as charitable as a hammer is to a nail, despite warnings to the contrary. They showed a reckless disregard for the advice of their characteristically risk-adverse lawyers. If this were an enterprise that operated in the real world, their case would have disappeared like a fart in the wind. If a person is the type who cares not for jurisdiction and cares only that the ends justify the means, the charitable response here would be praise for Emmert's decision, not criticism.
 

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Maybe I'm misinterpreting your response, but the NCAA was about as charitable as a hammer is to a nail, despite warnings to the contrary. They showed a reckless disregard for the advice of their characteristically risk-adverse lawyers. If this were an enterprise that operated in the real world, their case would have disappeared like a fart in the wind. If a person is the type who cares not for jurisdiction and cares only that the ends justify the means, the charitable response here would be praise for Emmert's decision, not criticism.
I'm not certain what you are driving at, but in order to avoid confusion let me make myself clear: I am not an ends-justify-the-means guy and I am not praising the NCAA.

I also did not say that the NCAA acted charitably. I think if you re-read my original post carefully that will become clear.
 

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I'm not certain what you are driving at, but in order to avoid confusion let me make myself clear: I am not an ends-justify-the-means guy and I am not praising the NCAA.

I also did not say that the NCAA acted charitably. I think if you re-read my original post carefully that will become clear.
Got it. Misread your post. Sorry about that.
 

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Statement from Penn State related to NCAA emails discussing proposed sanctions

November 5, 2014











 







Statement from Penn State officials related to public release of internal NCAA emails discussing proposed sanctions against Penn State.
We find it deeply disturbing that NCAA officials in leadership positions would consider bluffing one of their member institutions, Penn State, to accept sanctions outside of their normal investigative and enforcement process.
We are considering our options. It is important to understand, however, that Penn State is in the midst of a number of legal and civil cases associated with these matters. We therefore have no additional comment.
We also want it to be clear: Penn State’s commitment to the fight against child abuse and to the implementation of best practice governance, ethics and compliance programs and policies remains steadfast.
Eric Barron
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Keith Masser
Chair, Board of Trustees
 

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That statement is pathetic.
 
Three years after the initial story exploded and every bit of news associated with this mess still makes me want to take a shower.
 

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Again, I fail to understand what you are saying, but rather than try to figure it out, I'll let you elaborate,

I will say that my comment is about the last paragraph of the statement made by PSU. It's pathetic and offensive when you consider that the former President and two top officers are facing jail time for their part in failing to report and then covering up child abuse.
 
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yeah, i'm not following that one, AR.  The statement seems pretty boilerplate, other than an arguably-bold remark that they find the NCAA's actions "disturbing".
 
Can they not feel that way if some former members of their institution also acted in a disturbing way?
 

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yeah, i'm not following that one, AR.  The statement seems pretty boilerplate, other than an arguably-bold remark that they find the NCAA's actions "disturbing".
 
Can they not feel that way if some former members of their institution also acted in a disturbing way?
 
The last paragraph of the statement from PSU hits a bad note with me because it's so patronizing.   "Oh, and don't take our criticism of the NCAA as a sign that we're backing away from our commitment to combat child abuse!"  Really?  Fuck you.  (Speaking to PSU, not you MDL.)
 
I will admit that my perspective is heavily influenced by the fact that this native Pennsylvanian will never be able to look at PSU with anything other than contempt.  So when I see something like this, which reads like a legal disclaimer added to the end of an advertisement, the bile begins to rise within me.
 
YMMV.  But I still don't know what that has to do with the post that FiL wrote.
 

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The last paragraph of the statement from PSU hits a bad note with me because it's so patronizing.   "Oh, and don't take our criticism of the NCAA as a sign that we're backing away from our commitment to combat child abuse!"  Really?  Fuck you.  (Speaking to PSU, not you MDL.)
 
I will admit that my perspective is heavily influenced by the fact that this native Pennsylvanian will never be able to look at PSU with anything other than contempt.  So when I see something like this, which reads like a legal disclaimer added to the end of an advertisement, the bile begins to rise within me.
 
YMMV.  But I still don't know what that has to do with the post that FiL wrote.
 
I have assiduously avoided any comments that could be considered of a Penn State fanboy nature, and this might be seen by some to fit into that category, but...
 
I can understand your angst - and would be even more understanding if the 3 defendants were still in place and the letter had been signed by Spanier.  But they are not, and it was not.  I hope that you will find at least some solace in and acknowledge - if not appreciate - the efforts Penn State has put forward in the wake of this sordid affair and which is being tracked by the Mitchell Group here.  To date, only a few of Freeh's 119 recommended actions have not been fully implemented - placing Penn State in a position in which it arguably can now proclaim itself the MOST compliant institution in such matters.
 
To be sure, the question can be fairly raised as to whether any of these actions would have been taken had not all of this occurred.  While acknowledging that "fairness" is a term that many believe should never again be uttered by anyone associated with Penn State, I think to judge Barron's intent to protect Penn State in the future, while also explicitly acknowledging past horrors and Penn State's efforts to correct itself, should be considered "fair".  I see nothing pathetic or offensive about that.
 

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I wasn't aware anyone ever actually listened to the words that came out of the mouths of large organizations under scrutiny. Such statements are so canned and spoken to avoid risk that they have no value. I thought we were talking about the substance of the NCAA emails.
 

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From Blue White Illustrated's Tom McAndrew yesterday:
 
folks, here's another heads up ...
 

late tomorrow morning a major press piece should appear that gives a lot of insight into what took place between the BOT, the PSU Admin, Freeh and his team, and the NCAA. It's not the complete story, far from it, but it will disclose a lot of things that are new.
be prepared, you will probably want to punch a wall after reading it.
get your popcorn ready, or have your antacid medicine at your side.
 
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Wait, a former FBI chief picked to run an independent investigation was influenced by the people that pay him and his law firm?

Next we're going to find out that Bob Mueller is not independent in the Ray Rice investigation.
 

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Wait, a former FBI chief picked to run an independent investigation was influenced by the people that pay him and his law firm?
Next we're going to find out that Bob Mueller is not independent in the Ray Rice investigation.
Freeh was hired by Penn State, not the NCAA.
 

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Freeh was hired by Penn State, not the NCAA.
Hum. So what's the motivation for Freeh to work with the NCAA? Even his law firm wasn't acquired by Pepper Hamilton until after the report was issued.
 

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Hum. So what's the motivation for Freeh to work with the NCAA? Even his law firm wasn't acquired by Pepper Hamilton until after the report was issued.
 
I don't think plaintiffs have put forth a suspected nefarious motivation. The motivation was probably access to more information.resources. If you're searching for conspiracy theory, I suppose Freeh would want to get in the NCAA's good graces for future work.
 
This is only coming out because the NCAA is asserting privilege over certain materials and claiming they had nothing to do with the investigation. You should read the article.
 

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Hum. So what's the motivation for Freeh to work with the NCAA? Even his law firm wasn't acquired by Pepper Hamilton until after the report was issued.
 
I have no idea what the motivation was and it's not really relevant in any case.  
 
The involvement of Penn State Trustee Ken Frazier means that Freeh probably did nothing wrong from an ethical perspective.  But if the investigation was coordinated or guided to a specific conclusion by the NCAA and the Big 10, it was less of an independent investigation and more of a choreographed passion play designed to take the heat off the NCAA so they could simply put this behind them.
 
It also means that the NCAA has been lying to the public and (apparently) to the courts in their description of the Freeh investigation.
 

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Mark Emmert probably shouldn't meet any PSU alumni in any dark alleys. Wow.
 
From that link:
 
 
Besides those meetings and early communications and providing detailed questions, the NCAA provided proposed search terms to help Freeh's investigators better search emails, the documents show. Remy also offered to provide a witness list to Freeh; it is unknown whether one was provided
 
Could this potentially force Emmert's resignation - it sounds almost like tampering with an "independent" investigation?
 
And it seems PSU's own trustee (Ken Frazier) sold out the university. Super!
 

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Interesting article from Sally Jenkins of the Washington post on her views regarding the NCAA.
“The NCAA so lacks coherence that every attempt to exercising authority veers from vacuous to ham-handed. A community service sentence for [Todd] Gurley [the GA RB recently “sentenced” by the NCAA to 40 years of community services for selling his autograph]? What part of the community did he aggrieve, exactly, by owning his own signature? And what is the philosophy behind stripping Joe Paterno of his career victories following a child-molestation case when it’s not even established what he knew about it? While leaving Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston on the field during a sexual assault inquiry everyone in charge knew about?
 
 
She also sites an intriguing article written by [former Texas AD] Donna Lopiano and Gerald Gurney of the Drake Group on September 11, 2014 at InsideHigherEd.com:
 
 
 
“It’s one thing to say the NCAA must disappear; it’s another to describe what should take its place. Most attempts get snarled up over whether a governing body’s proper role is to set rules, conduct championships, protect amateurism, or how to achieve competitive balance. All of this misses the point. “There is nothing in this story about the kids,” Lopiano said. The Drake Group restores the point, with a simple shift in focus: The new governing body — every rule in its book, and every dime of its revenue — should be devoted to the players on the field, not to the barnacles who cling to and sponge off them.”
 

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PSU BOTs met yesterday.  Among other things, new President Eric Barron made remarks that indicate he is open to a presidential review of the raw materials associated with the Freeh report.
 
"Barron's stated motive? An attempt to heal what he acknowledged were divisions within the Penn State community over the Freeh Report, from its very inception to its final conclusions."
 
"Barron also said he is waiving the university's attorney-client privileges for the purposes of the review, presumably so that Penn State lawyers who worked with the Freeh investigators have complete permission to speak about what they know, and assisting staff will have unfettered access to all emails, memos, interview notes and other materials produced in the course of the investigation."
 
Also, they tabled discussion of a bubbling issue on whether to join State Rep Corman's the lawsuit against the NCAA.
 

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Barron works for the Board of Trustees. The BoT hired Freeh to write the report, and they're the same people who fired Paterno. I have serious doubts they'll let him report an honest and genuine review, as much as I'd love to believe he will, but I'll wait and hear what he says.
 
Here's a clip of an interview with Bob Costas, who did a 180 after he reviewed the report. I don't know when this interview aired, but it was posted to YouTube in March 2013. I wish more people would listen to it and keep an open mind.
 
http://youtu.be/hVJG3ythpZU
 

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What an interview.  While certainly condemning Sandusky's acts, I have tried as hard as I can over these many months to remain neutral in assessing the accusations that have been levied against Penn State - to allow jurisprudence to run its course.  I know that many will cast me into the inferno merely for taking this position.
 
I have waited for, and will continue to await developments within the courts.  But Costas is a very well respected analyst - even a leader among analysts - and he was one of the first to take up the the post-Freeh narrative that seemed to engulf the entire media against Penn State.  To Costas' credit, he has stepped backed,re-analyzed the evidence in greater detail - albeit from his own imperfect understanding - and has acknowledged that many aspects of the entire story have been potentially skewed, and he is willing to admit that his first jump into the fire might have been pre-mature.  He does take Paterno to task for not pursuing his knowledge of Sandusky's behavior more fully, but does not buy into the notion that Freeh's conclusions of ACTIVE coverup can be drawn from the "evidence" presented in the Freeh Report.
 

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Here's the actual public release by Barron:
 
STATEMENT BY PENN STATE PRESIDENT ERIC BARRON
 
On Friday, I informed the University's Board of Trustees that I will conduct a thorough review of the Freeh Report and supporting materials produced during the course of the investigation. The contents of the report have led to questions by some in the Penn State community. I do not want people to believe that Penn State is hiding something. I feel strongly about this. For this important reason, and since I was not here during its completion, I will conduct my own review. There is considerable documentation to analyze, but I assured the Board I would move with all deliberate speed.
 
Eric J. Barron
 

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I find all this further delving into the Freeh Report funny.  Apart from compiling facts - at least those that don't include testimony from the key witnesses - it does more to confuse than it does inform.  This has been true since Day 1.  Its conclusions have the possibility of being valid only if you can overlook Freeh's disregard for reasonable doubt, which is baffling on multiple levels.  This is a former judge, prosecutor, and head of the FBI?  Sheesh.  (In another way, perhaps it's not surprising that a former prosecutor would default to forming a closing argument.)  However, Freeh's work on the Report is just low-hanging fruit, and I'll stop reaching for it with both hands.  I don't care that Bob Costas decided later that perhaps he lept inductively with so many others.
 
I oversee the technical aspects of the cleanup of abandoned hazardous waste sites.  When this work is not accomplished with public funds, it is done so through orders or settlement agreements, i.e., consent decrees, entered with responsible parties and lodged in U.S. District Courts.  I put together the findings of fact.  I would never consider taking a fact and construing an unsupported conclusion (You used benzene as part of your manufacturing process and benzene was found in the stream, therefore you committed a crime by intentionally releasing benzene to the stream; this is exactly the type of unsupported, overreaching conclusion replete in the Freeh Report, e.g., the way he throws around the word "conspiracy"). At any rate, the CDs that dictate performance of the work I oversee look nothing like the NCAA-PSU CD.  If not told the latter was a settlement agreement, I wouldn't have guessed it myself.  It's light on detail.  Then again, that doesn't mean it isn't enforceable.  The NCAA as the plaintiff is not the United States as a plaintiff, and that may be the key point at  the end of the day.  I have little idea of what responsibilities to their own bylaws and practices the NCAA might have.  Does it hurt or do nothing to PSU's case that an authorized representative of Penn State signed onto the CD?  Was the NCAA in violation of a law when it "bluffed" PSU with the idea they could be subject to the death penalty, or is it a case of negotiating (or even more benignly, a decision made without regard for negative consequences made by Emmert despite the warnings of counsel)?  Are plaintiffs in Corman's suit sure it is a breach of the stipulation to perform the investigation that the NCAA repeatedly intervened or consulted with Freeh's firm during the investigation?  In my world, if parties agree to perform investigative work, then my participation usually isn't required until they submit their findings or seek consultation, and the latter is done so in a very specific and open manner; again, I work with the understanding that any aspect of my dealings could be adjudicated in Federal Court, whereas I'm not sure that the NCAA need concern themselves about such a thing.  Or do they?  I have no earthly idea.  I guess we'll find out.
 
I could go on.
 
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I'd be more interested in a "ask a hazardous-waste-site cleanup expert" thread, with stories in response to questions such as "have you ever seen an Erin Brockovich-style coverup?" or "what was the most mind-numbingly ridiculous oversight or bad act you've seen a company do?" or "is the environmental impact for these things real and massive, or is it largely theoretical and oft-overstated?".  I'd find that pretty fascinating actually.
 
But yeah, the NCAA, they suck.
 

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I'd be more interested in a "ask a hazardous-waste-site cleanup expert" thread, with stories in response to questions such as "have you ever seen an Erin Brockovich-style coverup?" or "what was the most mind-numbingly ridiculous oversight or bad act you've seen a company do?" or "is the environmental impact for these things real and massive, or is it largely theoretical and oft-overstated?".  I'd find that pretty fascinating actually.
 
But yeah, the NCAA, they suck.
Erin Brockovich does more harm than good. I've crossed paths on sites with her when I was on the consulting side. I know of a time when someone lied about their credentials (claimed to have a master's in something, but didn't even have a bachelor's). He took all sorts of assessment and cleanup actions. When costs were attempted to be recovered later, the responsible parties discovered this to everyone's surprise and almost all the expended costs and future costs were eaten. Few million, at least. But cover-ups? Nah. Just general incompetence at times that you see anywhere.

Bad things? Don't know where to start. I have a job because people are either lazy, devious, or stupid. Burying drums next to your house and then building an extension over the top is my favorite, just because of the balls it takes to do that. Not the worst. Need a case of beer to bleed out all the stories. Anyway, to be fair, sometimes corporations just get sold and so does their liability. Buy a company and you buy the messes they left behind. The pot of money polluters used to pay was made insolvent by the mid-1990s Congress. If companies don't fund a cleanup now, the public does.

Oh the threat is real. It depends on the substance, the volume, the threat of a release, and other conditions. A tank with 10,000 gallons of PCBs isn't a problem. A tank with 10,000 gallons of PCBs that's rusty and leaking to culvert that discharges to a river is a problem. And everything in between. The risk levels that cleanups are completed to are inherently protective to human health and the environment. And so on. I should find a way to tie this to the Sandusky thing to keep the thread on the up and up...

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NCAA loses bid to toss lawsuit

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A federal judge on Tuesday declined to throw out a state law that requires the $60 million fine Penn State has been paying over the Jerry Sandusky child molestation scandal be spent to address child abuse within the state.

U.S. Middle District Judge Yvette Kane ruled against the NCAA's effort to have the 2013 Endowment Act declared in violation of the federal constitution, deferring to a parallel case in state court that is scheduled for trial next month. Her decision was based largely on the fact the constitutionality of the law had already been upheld in the Commonwealth Court case, which pits state Treasurer Rob McCord and Senate Majority Leader Jake Corman against the NCAA and Penn State.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2015/01/ncaa_loses_bid_to_toss_law_ove.html?hootPostID=007e177670fe6ac45f115e95cda4f102
 

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Well, this should prove interesting.
 
WSJ article: Will Penn State Rain on NCAA's Parade?
 
"Something unprecedented will take place this week at the NCAA’s annual meeting near Washington, D.C.: The NCAA’s five richest conferences are expected to vote for the right to offer pay and other new benefits to athletes.
"But the real fireworks could erupt 200 miles to the north, where a showdown is expected between Penn State trustees over a legal challenge to the penalties the NCAA imposed on the school following the Jerry Sandusky child-molestation scandal.
"A contingent of Penn State’s 38-member board comprised primarily of trustees elected by alumni fear the university is close to cutting a deal that would restore Paterno’s victories but fall short of what some trustees ultimately seek: a repeal of the decree and an admission by the NCAA that it never should have imposed the penalties. Some trustees argue that Penn State should consider joining the plaintiffs in that lawsuit." [Emphasis added]
 
Trustee Al Lord said, "We do not know (the proposed settlement’s) terms but are naturally skeptical of a proposal designed by only those trustees complicit in the signing of the [original] NCAA consent decree." [Emphasis added]
 
An added note: the state rep Corman-state treasurer McCord lawsuit has been working its way through the courts and it appears the NCAA might fear (I'm sorry, I'm too tired at the moment to provide a list of source links, but am summarizing many) that the consent decree could possibly be voided in its entirety.
 

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canderson said:
All of the wins restored. The NCAA has been proven basically to have not had the right for the sanctions that've basically all been restored.
 
http://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/01/409_again_penn_state_football.html#incart_big-photo
I'm not sure I'd go that far. The agreement includes this:
 
"As part of the new proposal, Penn State acknowledges the NCAA acted in good faith."
 
"'We acted in good faith in addressing the failures and subsequent improvements on Penn State's campus,' said Kirk Schulz, chair of the NCAA board of governors. 'We must acknowledge the continued progress of the university while also maintaining our commitment to supporting the survivors of child sexual abuse.'
 
That to me suggests that as long as the NCAA thinks it is acting in "good faith" in the future, they can continue to impose sanctions in just about any matter they choose.  Now, whether they elect to do so for unknown future matters -based on lessons learned and tail-tucking in the Penn State case - is another question altogether.