Commonwealth of Pennsylvania vs. NCAA

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This morning Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett officially announced the Commonwealth is suing the NCAA over its sanctions against Penn State University. We have a thread dedicated the the allegations and sanctions, but the Commonwealth suing the NCAA is kind of a big deal. Penn State is not involved in this lawsuit, it is being done solely by the commonwealth.

The kicker that ultimately might hurt the NCAA is PA is going after the NCAA as a trade association, saying it did not follow its own rules and processes.

As a trade organization, NCAA is subject to antitrust actions in federal courts and has lost antitrust suits before (and currently not able to dismiss another).

The press conference is currently happening so details aren't known specifically but this should be an interesting legal drama to follow.

I imagine the SOSH lawyer contingent will have interesting views, too, on this lawsuit.
 

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I'm going to be very interested to watch this unfold. How is the state even claiming standing here? My understanding was Penn State operating under some kind of fiction where it wasn't a public institution (and was thus exempt from FOIA requests).

Can someone post a link to the Complaint if they come across it?
 

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I'm going to be very interested to watch this unfold. How is the state even claiming standing here? My understanding was Penn State operating under some kind of fiction where it wasn't a public institution (and was thus exempt from FOIA requests).

Can someone post a link to the Complaint if they come across it?
Not sure where you are getting the impression that PSU is not a public institution. They may not be a traditional state university in terms of their governance or fundraising, but they do accept public funds, so the state of Pennsylvania clearly has standing.

As always, the issue here is about money. Specifically, the NCAA's plans fot the $60 million in fines that they are extracting from PSU:

A key point in the Pennsylvania lawsuit, which was crafted without the involvement of Penn State, is expected to be how the $60 million fine is spent. The state would like it sent back to Pennsylvania. The NCAA has previously said that a quarter of it would be funnelled back to the state.

State and congressional lawmakers from Pennsylvania have objected to using the Penn State fine to finance activities in other states. Penn State has already made the first $12 million payment. An NCAA task force is deciding how it should be spent.
The bolded part is the catalyst for the suit. Corbett and several members of Congress asked the NCAA want the funds to be used in Pennsylvania, since that is where the harm occurred. In typical fashion, the NCAA has acted as if they are accountable to no one.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2013/01/02/penn-state-jerry-sandusky-child-abuse-law-suit-governor/1804119/


My dislike for Tom Corbett is intense, but the NCAA is such a corrupt, arrogant institution that I will enjoy watching this unfold.
 
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Anything that hastens the day when the NCAA collapses - and is no longer able to prevent student-athletes from earning money and benefits from their service to their university - is a good thing. At this point, the ends justify the means. They are less accountable than Congress, ferchrisake.

These are some rather strange means, though, I have to admit.
 

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Two more notes:

1) General Counsel Jim Schultz said the lawsuit solely seeks injunctive relief (read: overturning of sanctions).
2) The suit will be filed later this afternoon at the U.S. District Court here in Harrisburg. I'll keep my eyes open when it comes through.
 

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I was just going off the fact that Penn State is exempt from FOIA requests, which has always been explained to me as being the result of their weird not quite public status. More generally though (and I'm not an expert here or anything - just an interested observer), is giving money to someone really sufficient for standing? They're not suing Penn State. They're suing the NCAA. How about just a Penn State fan who has donated money to the school. Would he have standing to sue the NCAA? Sorry if this seems pedantic, but I'm still confused by this.

What injury has Pennsylvania, as distinct from Penn State, suffered here?
 

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Anything that hastens the day when the NCAA collapses - and is no longer able to prevent student-athletes from earning money and benefits from their service to their university - is a good thing.
How would this be good for anyone but a very small percentage of the athletes overall and fans of only those sports in which they compete?

As a fan of a large number of sports, I think it would be an unmitigated disaster for college athletics.
 

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How would this be good for anyone but a very small percentage of the athletes overall and fans of only those sports in which they compete?

As a fan of a large number of sports, I think it would be an unmitigated disaster for college athletics.
This is probably worthy of being broken out, but it's really unclear to me that keeping the non-revenue sports functional is worth the price of screwing over the employees of the revenue sports.
 

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With all the conference realignments based on money and football instead of geography, the damage to non-revenue sports has already been done, and may be unrepairable.
 

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This is probably worthy of being broken out, but it's really unclear to me that keeping the non-revenue sports functional is worth the price of screwing over the employees of the revenue sports.
Even in the "revenue sports" (misleading term since most "revenue sport" programs lose money, too) the vast majority of athletes are being overpaid just by receiving their scholarship. The only ones arguably being "screwed over" are those who are going to be high draft picks in basketball or football. That's like maybe 100-250 per year, out of thousands. And even those ones are receiving a degree of exposure that they could not possibly get without playing college sports, and which boosts their earning power significantly in a lot of cases once they turn pro.

There will NEVER be salaries for college football or basketball players. Even putting aside the math above, Title IX would make it unworkable.

As for Penn State, as disgraceful as its actions (and non-actions) were, the NCAA had no grounds for imposing penalties, and I see no way that the penalties should hold up in court. What NCAA bylaw did Penn State violate?
 

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From a morality standpoint, I find it deplorable that the state even has the gall to make a suit about the money being spent out of state. In a situation that affected so many, the state is suing the NCAA because they want the punishment money doled out differently than planned? This is OK?

In any case, I don't understand how this ever gets to court. Why would the NCAA go to trial on an issue that threatens its very existence if all it has to do is agree to spend the money in PA to avoid it? Sure, it's stupid, but why would they not just make this go away?

edit: in regards to paying players, this seems like a separate thread (that probably already exists) but it seems to me that allowing the players to license their rights individually would allow for them to be paid without having the schools supply the salary. It would essentially be what goes on today, without the NCAA coming down heavy because a star athlete got some perks from the local car dealership.
 

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In any case, I don't understand how this ever gets to court. Why would the NCAA go to trial on an issue that threatens its very existence if all it has to do is agree to spend the money in PA to avoid it? Sure, it's stupid, but why would they not just make this go away?
What leads you to believe this lawsuit "threatens its very existence?" The lawsuit is apparently seeking only injunctive relief (to overturn the sanctions), on the grounds that the NCAA failed to follow its own established procedures in this instance. Nobody denies that the NCAA process here was unusual. PA is essentially bringing a due process challenge, albeit one with a higher standard because the NCAA is not a government actor. The state will probably have to prove that the NCAA acted in an arbitrary and capricious manner. If they're able to do so, I don't see how it threatens the NCAA other than discouraging it from straying from the procedures (notice, investigation, hearing) it normally follows again in the future.
 

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In any case, I don't understand how this ever gets to court. Why would the NCAA go to trial on an issue that threatens its very existence if all it has to do is agree to spend the money in PA to avoid it? Sure, it's stupid, but why would they not just make this go away?
This is why the NCAA levying a fine in case where they didn't have clear-cut jurisdiction (the Department of Education's Cleary Act investigation is on-going, IIRC) was such a colossal blunder.

The NCAA's jurisdiction is athletics. The situation at Penn State went far beyond athletics. The NCAA levied their punishment to satiate the court of public opinion and to make itself look good. The NCAA didn't have the right to take money from Penn State and use it for education. The NCAA went beyond their boundaries. The NCAA isn't an education regulatory body - their entire mission and purpose is based solely on athletics.

I hope the State of PA refuses to drop this lawsuit if the money is spent in PA - that's not the point. The point is that the NCAA needs to reined in and told to keep their grubby little hands off education and focus on athletics only. They barely do that job. The DOE should have been the organization to punish Penn State University because this was about far more than the football program.
 

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As for Penn State, as disgraceful as its actions (and non-actions) were, the NCAA had no grounds for imposing penalties, and I see no way that the penalties should hold up in court. What NCAA bylaw did Penn State violate?
You realize Penn State's President signed a consent decree agreeing to the findings and sanctions? There were numerous NCAA bylaws PSU was found to have violated.
 

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I was just going off the fact that Penn State is exempt from FOIA requests, which has always been explained to me as being the result of their weird not quite public status. More generally though (and I'm not an expert here or anything - just an interested observer), is giving money to someone really sufficient for standing? They're not suing Penn State. They're suing the NCAA. How about just a Penn State fan who has donated money to the school. Would he have standing to sue the NCAA? Sorry if this seems pedantic, but I'm still confused by this.

What injury has Pennsylvania, as distinct from Penn State, suffered here?
First, states aren't normal litigants for purposes of invoking federal jurisdiction.

Second, Pennsylvania's interests are a superset of Penn State's, since the latter is an instrumentality used by the former to accomplish its interests. Entities routinely have standing to redress the injuries of their subsidiaries.
 

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What leads you to believe this lawsuit "threatens its very existence?" The lawsuit is apparently seeking only injunctive relief (to overturn the sanctions), on the grounds that the NCAA failed to follow its own established procedures in this instance. Nobody denies that the NCAA process here was unusual. PA is essentially bringing a due process challenge, albeit one with a higher standard because the NCAA is not a government actor. The state will probably have to prove that the NCAA acted in an arbitrary and capricious manner. If they're able to do so, I don't see how it threatens the NCAA other than discouraging it from straying from the procedures (notice, investigation, hearing) it normally follows again in the future.
A fair point. I guess by "threatens its very existence" I'm really projecting to what could happen down the line if the NCAA is found to have overstepped its boundaries. The monetary issues could lead to more lawsuits and jurisdictional questions, which of course can continue to snowball. So, if possible, I'd amend my statement to say that it maybe opens up a Pandora's box of issues for the NCAA, and if they can keep the box shut by just agreeing to some specific terms, why has this even made it this far?
 
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How would this be good for anyone but a very small percentage of the athletes overall and fans of only those sports in which they compete?

As a fan of a large number of sports, I think it would be an unmitigated disaster for college athletics.
Recognizing that my remarks rapidly took this thread off track, I'll let the Atlantic Monthly do my 'splaining for me, and follow up with a couple of other examples, the St Joe's incident and the UNC scandal.

Suffice to say, the list fo things that the NCAA has to answer for is much greater than the mere issue of treating minor-league "student" athletes like slaves. If we can't agree on the justice of paying money-sport athletes something approaching market rates for their services, surely we can agree that the organization wreaks havoc in lots of other patently unfair (and unaccountable) ways.
 

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Second, Pennsylvania's interests are a superset of Penn State's, since the latter is an instrumentality used by the former to accomplish its interests. Entities routinely have standing to redress the injuries of their subsidiaries.
If Penn State is just a subsidiary of Pennsylvania, then doesn't signing the consent decree sort of kill this suit?
 

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You realize Penn State's President signed a consent decree agreeing to the findings and sanctions? There were numerous NCAA bylaws PSU was found to have violated.
Look at the bylaws the NCAA claims were violated. Those are not operating bylaws, they are vague statements of principle that it is has never attempted to enforce before, let alone use as the basis for unprecedented financial penalties. And that's not to mention the fact that the NCAA has a very detailed enforcement process that was completely bypassed in this case - for the first time ever.

edit: The consent decree is another issue. Maybe that kills the suit, but I thought there was some issue as to whether the signee actually had the authority to give that consent. Maybe not.
 

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Look at the bylaws the NCAA claims were violated. Those are not operating bylaws, they are vague statements of principle that it is has never attempted to enforce before, let alone use as the basis for unprecedented financial penalties.
Articles 10, 11, and 19 are not operating bylaws? Despite the fact that they're listed in the section titled "Operating Bylaws?" And where in the NCAA Constitution does it say sanctions may only be imposed for violations of the operating bylaws, anyway? What you really mean is that the bylaws cited are not recruiting bylaws. And to that, I say who cares whether the NCAA has enforced non-recruiting violations before? The university agreed to the constitution and bylaws, agreed to abide by them, and then signed a consent decree acknowledging that it violated them and agreeing to the sanctions imposed.
 

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The only bylaws the NCAA regularly enforces are 10 (rarely - and usually only in gambling cases or when a coach has lied to investigators), 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17.

I can guarantee you that if you search the NCAA database, you will find zero cases where a school or staff member has been penalized exclusively for a violation of any of the bylaws cited in that document. This case is completely unprecedented in terms of the process and in terms of the substance.

edit: and of the bylaws the NCAA actually does enforce, several (14, 15, 16, 17, and most of 12) have nothing to do with recruiting.
 

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In this case, Corbett said, "a handful of top NCAA officials simply inserted themselves into an issue they had no authority to police and one that was clearly being handled by the criminal justice system."


What's more, the complaint will argue that the association extorted PSU President Rodney Erickson's acquiescence with the football sanctions with the threat of a complete shutdown of the football program for multiple years.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/01/pennsylvania_governor_launches.html#incart_big-photo

One more thing, the NCAA many believe used this penalty to put themselves in control of football where they had little control before. Football's powered by TV deals and the BCS, not the NCAA. It's the only sport like this, basketball depends on the NCAA and and the tourney is produced by the NCAA. Football has always been an entirely separate animal, NCAA's reactions to this suit and the fallout will be interesting to watch.

I think Corbett will have Curley and Spanier throw themselves under the bus to get this more legs. With them testifying it was an internal coverup and not affiliated with athletics gives the suit more backbone.
 

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"a handful of top NCAA officials simply inserted themselves into an issue they had no authority to police and one that was clearly being handled by the criminal justice system."

This quote is exactly accurate. It will be interesting to see:

1) whether the judge will understand how unprecedented this action was, and;
2) whether this was a one-time overreach by the NCAA, or whether it will use this as precedent to take other actions like this in the future


Penn State was obviously a pretty flawed institution and its officials bear a lot of blame for the horrific actions in which Sandusky was allowed to engage - but we should all be clear that a lot of BCS-level football schools are flawed in the exact same way and as it stands now are vulnerable to almost limitless NCAA action.
 

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I can guarantee you that if you search the NCAA database, you will find zero cases where a school or staff member has been penalized exclusively for a violation of any of the bylaws cited in that document. This case is completely unprecedented in terms of the process and in terms of the substance.
Seriously? You don't think the NCAA has ever penalized anyone for violating 10.1? It's legitimately your position that violating that provision is not considered by the NCAA to be a major infraction?
 

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"a handful of top NCAA officials simply inserted themselves into an issue they had no authority to police and one that was clearly being handled by the criminal justice system."
Maybe, but isn't the state only asking that the money be spent in PA? If the NCAA were to agree to that, wouldn't the above quote still be true? Or is the state asking for more than that?
 

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The only bylaws the NCAA regularly enforces are 10 (rarely - and usually only in gambling cases or when a coach has lied to investigators), 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17.

I can guarantee you that if you search the NCAA database, you will find zero cases where a school or staff member has been penalized exclusively for a violation of any of the bylaws cited in that document. This case is completely unprecedented in terms of the process and in terms of the substance.

edit: and of the bylaws the NCAA actually does enforce, several (14, 15, 16, 17, and most of 12) have nothing to do with recruiting.
So your argument is that because it hasnt been enforced before it shouldnt be enforced now?
 

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Maybe, but isn't the state only asking that the money be spent in PA? If the NCAA were to agree to that, wouldn't the above quote still be true? Or is the state asking for more than that?
They are asking the court to eliminate all NCAA sanctions too (bowl ban, scholarship limits).
 

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So your argument is that because it hasnt been enforced before it shouldnt be enforced now?
My argument is that these vague principles are not enforceable in and of themselves. Here is bylaw 19.01.2, one of the bylaws that Penn State was found to have violated:

19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct. Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration,
the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young
people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable
acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be
influenced by a fine example.
Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.
Does this strike you as enforceable language? Has the NCAA ever held any coach or administrator in violation of bylaw 19.01.2 before? This is absurd language to try and enforce - employing it for the first time after having it on the books for 25+ years as support for a $60 million penalty against one of the members is ridiculous.

To put it another way - what coach in America is NOT guilty of violating this rule?
 

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Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example.
That sounds like something from the Honor Code of VMI or The Citadel.
 

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The only bylaws the NCAA regularly enforces are 10 (rarely - and usually only in gambling cases or when a coach has lied to investigators), 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17.

I can guarantee you that if you search the NCAA database, you will find zero cases where a school or staff member has been penalized exclusively for a violation of any of the bylaws cited in that document. This case is completely unprecedented in terms of the process and in terms of the substance.

edit: and of the bylaws the NCAA actually does enforce, several (14, 15, 16, 17, and most of 12) have nothing to do with recruiting.
And?
 

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Here's the complaint.

The state is suing as parens patriae on behalf of its citizens, not on behalf of the university. I'm not an antitrust expert, but I think this is a fairly standard way for state officials to gain standing to sue. I don't know if the complaint states a legally cognizable claim, but I don't think this suit will fall apart based on a lack of constitutional standing.

The wording of the complaint seems geared more toward scoring political points than persuading an impartial judge. For example, some parts of the complaint are either legally irrelevant, or will frankly come across as painfully tone-deaf to anyone besides hard-core PSU partisans. For example:


Dr. Mark A. Emmert is the President of the NCAA, having become the fifth president of the nonprofit organization in October 2010. According to USA Today, in running the non-profit NCAA, Dr. Emmert is paid $1.6 million per year, nearly 40 percent more than his predecessor. The substantial increase was the result of a decision of the Administrative Committee of the NCAA Executive Committee, the members of which clearly had an expanded role in mind for their new president.
The widespread nature of the "culture" the NCAA claims to have found to be unique to Penn State is perhaps best illustrated by the public remarks of the president of The Ohio State University, who, when asked whether he considered firing Ohio State's successful head football coach after major NCAA rules violations, replied, "I'm just hopeful that the coach doesn't dismiss me.
A recent internal investigation at the University of North Carolina revealed massive academic fraud, including unauthorized grade changes by forged signatures, and classes in which no instruction took place; approximately forty percent of the students enrolled in these classes were football nad basketball players. In August 2012, one month after sanctioning Penn State, the NCAA took the public position that none of the alleged conduct violated NCAA rules.
I suspect the timing of this lawsuit is driven by the timing of the NCAA's forthcoming annual convention. It is presumably too late for a member institution to get a motion on the agenda to expel Penn State from the NCAA.
 

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They won't admit it publicly, but most NCAA member schools are rooting for Penn State to win this case, or at least get the NCAA to back down into a settlement. None would support expelling Penn State from the association.

Also, I don't see how any of that information is irrelevant - the UNC information in the complaint supports the allegation that this was an arbitrary and capricious use of the NCAA's authority.
 

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They won't admit it publicly, but most NCAA member schools are rooting for Penn State to win this case, or at least get the NCAA to back down into a settlement. None would support expelling Penn State from the association.

Also, I don't see how any of that information is irrelevant - the UNC information in the complaint supports the allegation that this was an arbitrary and capricious use of the NCAA's authority.
Of the three quotes, the first two don't state legally relevant facts. The third is relevant, but conflates no-show classes at UNC with the cover-up of child rape at PSU in a way that's likely to offend a neutral reader. In a brief that was written solely for purposes of legal advocacy, as opposed to being written primarily for political consumption, the first two paragraphs would be omitted entirely, and the third would be written differently.

Edit -- I would have agreed with you about other institutions eight months ago, but I misread the situation. I thought the sanctions were a power grab by Emmert and the NCAA staff, but as it turned out, Emmert was a moderate working to restrain member institutions who wanted PSU to be dealt with as harshly as possible. There is remarkably little self-awareness by other member institutions about how what happened at PSU could happen just about anywhere.
 

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I thought the sanctions were a power grab by Emmert and the NCAA staff, but as it turned out, Emmert was a moderate working to restrain member institutions who wanted PSU to be dealt with as harshly as possible.
Perhaps you're right, but I've seen no evidence of this.
 

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The UNC part could also be read as the NCAA stayed OUT of the education side and that the teams did not know the registrar / teachers / whoever were forging transcripts to keep the kids GPA eligible. (let's be honest, that just means they couldn't find the evidence) As opposed to a head football coach covering up one of his assistant coaches performing child rape in team facilities and at least on 1 team trip. The then school signed saying they AGREED with the sanctions and to lets move on. But now Corbett is going to waste taxpayer money to take this to trial? And likely open up more old wounds for some of the victims? Just because its unprecedented or are somewhat vague rules that haven't been enforced before, doesn't mean they shouldn't be.

Yea, the NCAA is corrupt and there probably needs to be change for this organization, but Corbett grandstanding on this issue is not how to approach it.
 

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Sure, the NCAA's enforcement actions were unprecedented. Considering that it was in response to a level of repugnance without precedent in the actions of the university and athletic department, how could the response have any precedent?
 

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...As opposed to a head football coach covering up one of his assistant coaches performing child rape in team facilities and at least on 1 team trip. The then school signed saying they AGREED with the sanctions and to lets move on...

Yea, the NCAA is corrupt and there probably needs to be change for this organization, but Corbett grandstanding on this issue is not how to approach it.

Corrections:
  1. No evidence, none, of the head coach (Paterno) having covered up anything. Please don't site the document/report sponsored by Louis Freeh as evidence, it's mostly unsubstantiated garbage, but any part (email?) about Paterno is conjecture and assumption. Even it were taken as negatively toward Paterno as humanly (that's pretty negative) as possible, it doesn't show or prove anything. Freeh's conclusions were stretches based on what he (jokingly) supplied as "proof".
  2. I believe there is a legitimate discussion point on the "agreed" sanctions. If someone is threatened, does it still hold value? A mugger says "wallet or life" and you give wallet. Later, you take him to court and the mugger says "he willingly gave me his wallet".
Regardless of Corbett's motive(s), if the legal precedent(?) is even possibly there, then the suit has value. Win or lose, the suit has value.
 

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I'm going to be very interested to watch this unfold. How is the state even claiming standing here? My understanding was Penn State operating under some kind of fiction where it wasn't a public institution (and was thus exempt from FOIA requests).

Can someone post a link to the Complaint if they come across it?
There is a very interesting interpretation here by one Maxwell S. Kennerly, Esq., of the Beasely Firm, LLC: http://www.litigationandtrial.com/2013/01/articles/series/special-comment/corbett-antitrust-ncaa/

He states, "Prior to the filing, some pundits had speculated Corbett was going to rely on the fact that Penn State was a state school to claim standing, but Corbett thankfully didn&rsquo;t even try that. As I explained in depth in this post, Penn State is not a state school. Pennsylvania has state schools in its Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education (PASSHE), but Pennsylvania State University, like Temple University, Lincoln University, and the University of Pittsburgh are not part of PASSHE, they are &ldquo;state-related universities.&rdquo; As the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has held, just because a school receives some state funds does not mean they are part of the state. Mooney v. Temple Univ. Bd. of Trustees, 448 Pa. 424, 429-30 (1972)(The mere funding of an institution does not, however, make it an agency or instrumentality of the state.)

And I haven't read through all f the posts to see if anyone else has posted it yet, but here is the complaint filing: http://www.litigationandtrial.com/files/2013/01/Pennsylvania-v-NCAA-00249748.pdf
 

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Football has always been an entirely separate animal, NCAA's reactions to this suit and the fallout will be interesting to watch.
It hasn't always been that way. It wasn't until after 1984 in the wake of NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma, 468 U.S. 85 (1984), in which the Supreme Court recognized individual school's and conference's right to enter into their own contracts with networks to broadcast their games, and from which they could directly profit.
 

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1)...lawsuit solely seeks injunctive relief (read: overturning of sanctions)...
It's important to note here that the complaint was filed under Section 16 of the Clayton Act (vs. Section 4, which applies when seeking monetary damages), which allows injunctive relief. However, Section 16 is also limited to on "private parties," so it may be a double-edged sword.
 

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And of course now we have the NCAA filing suit against Governor Corbett, et. al. regarding a recently passed state law that stipulates the $60M endowment must be spent in PA.
 
The PA State Law is at: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=PDF&sessYr=2013&sessInd=0&billBody=S&billTyp=B&billNbr=0187&pn=0238
 
NCAA suit is not available yet online as far as I can tell (at least not without a subscription), but the citation is: National Collegiate Athletic Association v. Corbett et al, case number 1:13-cv-00457
 
Penn State is NOT a party to either suit.
 
Here a suit, there a suit, everywhere a law suit.
 

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The hearing on the NCAA's Motion to Dismiss was held last week. I've read the briefs and from where I'm sitting, Corbett's getting brutalized, and I expect this suit to get dismissed with prejudice. A Cliff's Notes version of the NCAA's arguments (its hearing powerpoint presentation) is here.
 

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As mentioned earlier, Here a suit, there a suit, everywhere a law suit.  And now this: the Paterno family, certain members of the BoT and faculty, and a number of former players, are filing suit collectively against the NCAA, and individually against Mark Emmert and Edward Ray, [former] Chairman of the NCAA Executive Committee.
 
The Complaint.
 
There are 6 total counts:

  1. COUNT I: BREACH OF CONTRACT (The Estate and Family of Joe Paterno on behalf of Joe Paterno, and Al Clemens)

  2. COUNT II: BREACH OF CONTRACT (William Kenney, Jay Paterno, Ryan McCombie, Anthony Lubrano, Peter Khoury, Adam Taliaferro, Anthony Adams, Gerald Cadogan, Shamar Finney, Justin Kurpeikis, Richard Gardner, Josh Gaines, Patrick Mauti, Anwar Phillips, and Michael Robinson)

  3. COUNT III: INTENTIONAL INTERFERENCE WITH CONTRACTUAL RELATIONS (William Kenney and Jay Paterno)

  4. COUNT IV: INJURIOUS FALSEHOOD/COMMERCIAL DISPARAGEMENT (The Estate and Family of Joe Paterno on behalf of Joe Paterno)

  5. COUNT V: DEFAMATION (All Plaintiffs Except the Estate and Family of Joe Paterno on behalf of Joe Paterno)

  6. COUNT VI: CIVIL CONSPIRACY (All Plaintiffs)
 
Count I, the most significant, In pertinent part, claims:
 
"Defendant NCAA materially breached its contractual obligations and violated the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing by, among other things: 
 
a. purporting to exercise jurisdiction over a matter not caused by the football program, much less one related to a basic athletics issue such as admissions, financial aid, 
eligibility, and recruiting; 
 
b. taking action and imposing sanctions via its Executive Committee, which has power only to address association-wide issues on a prospective basis, and therefore no power to sanction individual members; 
 
c. refusing to proceed against Penn State through the traditional enforcement process, the only method of imposing sanctions that is authorized under the rules; 
 
d. refusing to accept any appeals of the Consent Decree; 
 
e. treating the Freeh Report as a “self-report” even though the Freeh Report was never voted on by the full Board of Trustees; even though the Freeh Report failed to 
identify, much less analyze, any purported NCAA rules violations; and even though the Freeh Report failed to comply with required procedures and reached conclusions based on irrelevant or inadmissible evidence developed pursuant to an unreliable and deficient investigation;

f. imposing sanctions on the basis of alleged violations of vague, inapplicable principles in the NCAA’s Constitution, such as the principle of institutional control and the principle of ethical conduct, both of which relate only to athletics issues or other matters regulated by the NCAA; 
 
g. imposing sanctions that are available only in cases of “major” violations without explaining why the conduct identified in the Consent Decree constituted a “major” 
violation intended to provide the institution with an extensive recruiting or competitive advantage; 
 
h. imposing the penalty of vacation of wins even though no ineligible student athlete was found to have competed during the years affected; 
 
i. threatening to impose the “death penalty” on Penn State football when it had no authority to do so because Penn State is not and never has been a repeat offender; 
 
j. failing to conduct its own investigation or explain its own investigative procedures, and relying instead on the flawed Freeh Report, a procedurally and substantively 
inadequate substitute for the NCAA’s investigation and compliance with required procedures; 
 
k. failing to recognize that Plaintiffs, who are named or referred to in the Consent Decree, are “involved individuals” under the NCAA’s own rules; and 
 
l. failing to afford Plaintiffs “fair procedures” during the NCAA’s determinations and deliberations."
 
 
EDIT: To innumerate the 6 total counts.
 
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Sounds highly plausible.  I wonder how the NCAA makes this one go away.  It seems unlikely to even be motivated by money so much as reputation.
 

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The reputation of whom? JoePa got shitcanned before the NCAA ever got involved. I anticipate most if not all of his claims being dismissed quickly. And injurious falsehood? They're going to prove that the Consent Decree not only contained false and disparaging material that harmed JoePa, but that the NCAA knew or should have known the material was false?
 
Good luck with that.
 
So, as to how the NCAA makes it go away? It will have its motion to dismiss and/or summary judgment motion granted.
 
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The reputation of the university.  And its alums, who care about such things because it affects them and, not infrequently, their professional careers.  I'm not saying that's a consideration here legally, but it may be a motivation to this suit even if financial motives couldn't believably amount to much.
 
" the Paterno family, certain members of the BoT and faculty, and a number of former players, are filing suit"
 
The Paterno family may or may not have standing, but for all I know (which in this case is, admittedly, little), the others just might.
 

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MentalDisabldLst said:
The reputation of the university.  And its alums, who care about such things because it affects them and, not infrequently, their professional careers.  I'm not saying that's a consideration here legally, but it may be a motivation to this suit even if financial motives couldn't believably amount to much.
 
" the Paterno family, certain members of the BoT and faculty, and a number of former players, are filing suit"
 
The Paterno family may or may not have standing, but for all I know (which in this case is, admittedly, little), the others just might.
 
Yes, I've read the (really, really weak) Complaint.
 
I was asking you whose reputation you think this suit is motivated to protect. You really think somebody believes this suit is going to redeem PSU's reputation? The complaint's main gripe is with the findings of Freeh report, which was commissioned by the Penn State Board of Trustees.
 
This suit is quite literally worthless for everyone except the lawyers.
 

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I have no idea on the legal credibility of this but the moral component of this appeal is gross.  "This was a massive criminal conspiracy, not a recruiting violation, so we should suffer no NCAA consequences" is not real compelling.
 
Seriously, under their logic if Joe Paterno was running a hit squad out of the locker room with the knowledge of the school, the NCAA would be unable to sanction the program.
 

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Not to put words in MDL's mouth, but I believe he was referring more to institutional "branding" instead of reputation.  It is worth noting that application of "reputational damage" is limited to specified persons within the suit, and not the institution.
 
And I am not a practicing attorney as many on the board are, but the claims and respective Plaintiffs for each create a matrix, with those two criteria forming the X and Y axes.  Perhaps some number of the cells within the matrix can be dismissed easily.  But there may be some others which might not be so easily dismissed.  I imagine the Court must assess the law as it applies individually to each cell within the matrix.  I certainly haven't taken the time to plow through that.  But I'm not experienced enough in the law and Courts to know whether this necessarily will be swept away in some perfunctory manner.  
 
I do know this.  It has taken this long for Sollers, et. al. to file this.  I know Sollers by reputation only.  He is a very smart guy (as all attorneys are, of course  :blink: ), but for him to be the primary energy behind the filing tells me that there has been some pretty powerful minds working on this for some time and they are confident that at least some elements of the filing are actionable.  I mean, they have a former US Attorney General (Thornburgh) and a former Circuit Court Judge (Chertoff) on the "team".  Whatever anyone may think of their political persuasions, they aren't some ambulance chasers.
 
As a Penn State alum, I should recuse myself from the debate, but I am very interested in seeing how this plays out.  Not necessarily from a perspective of "I-hope-Penn-State-is-vindicated", but more of a "let's-see-how-the-NCAA-reacts".  Although many suits have been brought against the NCAA over the years, I'm not certain that any have challenged them across as many fronts as this. Especially as many of the claims are grounded in things for which the NCAA ostensibly is not responsible, but upon which they acted and imposed penalties.