College Football Playoff 24-25: The Dirty Dozen
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I think for 12 teams Bama deserved it more than we did. I am not sure who deserves to make it in a 12 team setting because it's hard to apply consistency to whoever you pick. I am not saying you're wrong - just that I don't think there is a right answer, or one right answer.
Me too.
I know a lot of you don't think we deserve it. I get it. I honestly didn't think we did either. That being said... as a long time SMU football season ticket holder who fucking moved out of the state 2 years ago? This is a dream. This is so freaking cool. I feel like I am walking on a cloud right now. Magical magical magical.
Also, a silver lining of living in Philly and not Dallas (and missing all my friends and the food) is that I just bought two tickets to Beaver Stadium...
I am going to be at the SMU PSU game. PM me if anyone here is going. I would love to meet you. I got cheap tickets. Cheap. "Cheap". Freaking nose bleed seats were $300 a pop.
As I mentioned in the other thread. I will be at the SMU PSU playoff game. Please PM me if you're around as I would love to meet you. My wife will be at the game too. Restaurant suggestions? Parking? Any and all advice is sincerely appreciate. As an SMU fan this is fucking awesome. I don't think we belong... but I will take it! This is really cool. This is just so freaking cool. I can't describe how happy I am right now 
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I'm sure we'll have a picks thread but I look forward to getting this embarrassingly wrong:
Texas over Clemson
Penn State over SMU
Notre Dame over Indiana
Ohio State over Tennessee
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Oregon over Ohio State
Georgia over Notre Dame
Penn State over Boise State
Texas over Arizona State
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Oregon over Texas
Georgia over Penn State
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Oregon over Georgia
This is probably why SMU should have made it in over Bama. Good for you.As I mentioned in the other thread. I will be at the SMU PSU playoff game. Please PM me if you're around as I would love to meet you. My wife will be at the game too. Restaurant suggestions? Parking? Any and all advice is sincerely appreciate. As an SMU fan this is fucking awesome. I don't think we belong... but I will take it! This is really cool. This is just so freaking cool. I can't describe how happy I am right now
This is awesome! Have a great time and know that James Franklin, who seems like an affable man, has a track record of crumbling under pressure. If SMU keeps it tight, you’ve got a shot late.
I’ll send more in a PM, but I just wanted to pass along that even nosebleed seats in Beaver Stadium are a pretty cool experience.
I'd sign up for this.
Texas loses their conference championship game and gets Clemson and ASU, Oregon goes undefeated and gets tOSU and Texas.
It's great to have a 12 team field, but they need to tweak the process/just line them up 1-12.
Appreciate it!!
Yeah, I actually really like a lot of the prospects on PSU this year including Carter and Allar.
Are there any good Chinese, Thai, or Indian places near the campus? Or, is there a restaurant that you think visitors should check out? Maybe a really good burger place or something like that? We’re down for whatever. I just want something good. Can be casual or high end. We’re pretty big foodies - from street food to fine dining.
I’ll need to ask my sister. We will be discussing Christmas logistics this evening (she lives in Midlothian VA these days and I visits over the holiday). I know there’s a great Indian restaurant.
Agreed. I like that conference champs get byes. I love that Boise State is in the top 4. It’s a fun quirk and emphasizes winning conferences, which has always been the foundation of college football.
The one tweak that’s necessary is to reseed after the first round. There’s no way that an Oregon should have to play #8 if Arizona State gets #12.
imo, reseeding just isn't going to work with the neutral site games. You're counting on these fan bases traveling to the bowl games; you need to at least let them know where that's going to be.
Placing SMU at 11 and Clemson, who just beat SMU, at 12 seems like the Committee‘s lame attempt to thwart at least some criticism of selecting the Ponies over Alabama. I think the Committee got all of the teams right, but the 11 and 12 seeding is kind of ridiculous—and transparent.
I’ll take Indiana over ND.
This is awesome to read. Good luck @SMU_Sox. Happy Valley is a great place to see a game, if you haven’t already been.
Point taken. Although I don’t think the CFP people care at all about the fan bases. I mean they’re asking them to travel anywhere from 3 to 4 times over the month for the teams that make the champ game.
You have cojones of steel to buy tickets without knowing the weather. May the blizzards avoid you. Good luck. Hope your team wins.As I mentioned in the other thread. I will be at the SMU PSU playoff game. Please PM me if you're around as I would love to meet you. My wife will be at the game too. Restaurant suggestions? Parking? Any and all advice is sincerely appreciate. As an SMU fan this is fucking awesome. I don't think we belong... but I will take it! This is really cool. This is just so freaking cool. I can't describe how happy I am right now
Not sure how it would work logistically, but I'd like to see the bye teams get the home games. Let 5-12 play in the neutral site/bowl games, and the winner gets to go to Boise.
I guess I'd counter that the CFP also doesn't really care about the fairness of the format. No TV revenue is at stake in reseeding vs not.
Screw that. I hope it snows a foot at all these games. Except in Austin; that would affect me.
Good point
if it snows in Columbus, probably snows in South Bend and Sad Valley too. Not that far apart between the 3
The Chiefs played 3 road games in the playoffs last year. If their fans wanted to travel for the team, they would have had to go to Buffalo, Baltimore, and Vegas.
Point being, I have no idea what your complaint is. As you suggesting the fans are sad their teams might be playing a few very important games and a chance at a national championship?
But in the NFL the home team takes the tickets. No one is expecting the fans of the 9-12 teams to travel to their first round games (aside from the normal small contingent).
I do agree though, conference title, then CFP semis, and championship, is a lot of travel. In the NFL you are traveling once, to the Super Bowl.
8 teams was the right number, but to get the conferences on board I suppose they had to go to 12. How would the rankings with playoffs in mind look differently with 8?
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Tennessee
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5-10
ND
PSU
BSU
IU
SMU
ASU
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Clemson
Bama
Miss
SCarolina
For starters, no team with 3 losses is making it into my top 8--fairly or not, that's my criteria.
Just looking at the resumes of those 6 1-2 loss schools, I don't know how you parse them. No school has a win over a top 10 team, IU has no wins over a ranked team, and BSU and PSU only have 1 win over a ranked team. ASU lost to unranked TTU and Cincy (both on the road), and SMU lost to unranked BYU at home and of course in the CCG to Clemson. Just looking at wins and not losses for a moment, I'd probably go:
5. ND
6. ASU
7. SMU
8. BSU
9. PSU
10. IU
I'd probably flip SMU and ASU based on the overall body of work, and keep ASU ahead of BSU to reward the SOS.
5. ND
6. SMU
7. ASU
After that, I really have trouble distinguishing BSU, PSU, and IU without going deeper.
In sum, I'm actually glad that we'll see PSU, IU, BSU, and even Clemson play again, because it will test what we think about these teams.
Does someone want to coordinate a pick'em competition? I'd definitely participate.
Why do you need to be so snarky?
My “complaint” was simply that they should reseed the field after the first round.
I was told by another poster this wouldn’t be possible because fans of the teams with byes needed time to book their travel to their quarterfinal game. And I responded that I’m not sure the CFP committee cares about the travel that fans would need to undertake to follow their team to the champ have. HENCE not reseeding due to travel concerns may not be a blocker.
But congrats on scoring a point or something.
You're defending a group of people who have the luxury of traveling around the country to pay for tickets and watch football games.
It's not exactly a protected class. Very few people are able to go to 3 football games in 3 weeks. No matter where they are. It seems like an odd thing to whine about.
Dude what are you talking about. He's not whining about them. The closest person to doing that was me, and the point isn't that these fans need to be protected, it's that the bowl organizers are counting on them. The harder you make it for them, the less are going to go. Look how soft the ticket markets were for the championship games at neutral sites. And that's not our problem to care about, it's just a factor to keep in mind when thinking through why the format doesn't have re-seeding now.
A few tweaks need to be made
1) Conference champs should not get guaranteed byes. I understand the theory of why it was done, but in practice it doesn't really work
2) Tell the bows to F themselves and let those who get a bye host a 2nd round game. Let's take Oregon - they go undefeated, win a conference and get really nothing out of it. They deserve the experience Texas, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Penn State will get next weekend.
1) Conference champs should not get guaranteed byes. I understand the theory of why it was done, but in practice it doesn't really work
2) Tell the bows to F themselves and let those who get a bye host a 2nd round game. Let's take Oregon - they go undefeated, win a conference and get really nothing out of it. They deserve the experience Texas, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Penn State will get next weekend.
Slight nit to pick here. But it wasn't as close as 11 or 12 for one the other. The Committee's first task was to rank the Top 25 teams. In that ranking, SMU was 10th and Clemson 16th. Arizona State, which was 12th in the rankings, received the 4 seed in the tournament because of the rule that gives the top 4 seeds to the 4 highest-ranked conference champs, thus bumping SMU to 11. Clemson, while ranked 16th, made the 12-team playoff field as the 5th highest-ranked conference champ, thus bumping Alabama out of the tournament As the lowest ranked team in the tournament, Clemson received the 12 seed.
In other words, despite the head-to-head result, the Committee saw the gulf between SMU and Clemson as much more than a single spot in the rankings, even though it amounted to a single spot in the tournament seeding. Given the rankings, ranking Clemson ahead of SMU would also have required the Committee either (1) to rank Clemson ahead of Alabama, Arizona State, Miami, Ole Miss, and South Carolina; or (2) to rank SMU behind each of those same teams.
I don't think it makes sense to reserve the top 4 playoff seeds for conference champ. I assume that'll change next year. Oddly, if the auto-seeds didn't exist this year, the Committee's actual final rankings would've resulted in, what's in my opinion, a much better seeded and more compelling tournament, especially if expanded to 16 teams. We'd have:
1. Oregon v. 16. Clemson
8. Indiana v. 9. Boise State
4. Penn State v. 13. Miami
5. Notre Dame v. 12. Arizona State
2. Georgia v. 15. South Carolina
7. Tennessee v. 10. Indiana
3. Texas v. 14. Ole Miss
6. Ohio State v. 11 Alabama
It's likely that three of the four quarterfinals would be monster match-ups. So, while the manner in which the tournament is seeded is bad, I don't think the Committee's overall rankings deserve as much derision as they've received.
1) It certainly didn’t work for Clemson. I think conference championships should matter. It’s an on-the-field result. Polls are fantasy football.
2) Agreed, except the NCAA will always want the bigger venues for more ticket $$$.
Can you read this thread again and get back to me? Your responses to me have nothing to do with what I wrote.
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I really like that conference champs get byes. Every sport has some element to their playoff qualification and seeding like this. The NFL prioritizes winning a division. MLB and NHL do the same.
I think it makes particularly good sense for CFB since everyone’s schedule is dominated by their conference opponents. And conferences are clearly the foundation of the sport.
And I especially like the top 4 ranked conference champ criteria. It’s awesome that the Mountain West champ got a bye over the ACC champ.
As an ASU fan, I'm loving the bye, but without it, they're seeded 11 or 12 instead of 4. I'd be okay with having the top five conference champs getting bids, but not automatic byes.
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College football stadiums for the biggest programs at least are generally bigger than their pro counterparts, but generally with less ancillary revenue (namely, F&B infrastructure)? In addition, they lack the hotels and airport infrastructure. Not to mention, some of these stadiums are older and feature benches. Don't get me wrong--I love them--but it's harder to charge usurious ticket prices if your ass is planted on a cold bench in the Midwest in January, rather than a giant climate-controlled living room that makes for a terrific filming experience.
| 1 | Michigan | Michigan Stadium (Ann Arbor, Mich.) | 107,601 |
| 2 | Penn State | Beaver Stadium (University Park, Pa.) | 106,572 |
| 3 | Ohio State | Ohio Stadium (Columbus, Ohio) | 102,780 |
| 4 | Texas A&M | Kyle Field (College Station, Texas) | 102,733 |
| 5 | LSU | Tiger Stadium (Baton Rouge, La.) | 102,321 |
| 6 | Tennessee | Neyland Stadium (Knoxville, Tenn.) | 101,915 |
| 7 | Alabama | Bryant-Denny Stadium (Tuscaloosa, Ala.) | 101,821 |
| 8 | Texas | Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium (Austin, Texas) | 100,119 |
| 9 | Georgia | Sanford Stadium (Athens, Ga.) | 92,746 |
| 10 | UCLA | Rose Bowl (Pasadena, Calif.) | 91,136 |
| 11 | Florida | Ben Hill Griffin Stadium (Gainesville, Fla.) | 88,548 |
| 12 | Auburn | Jordan-Hare Stadium (Auburn, Ala.) | 88,043 |
| 13 | Nebraska | Memorial Stadium (Lincoln, Neb.) | 85,458 |
| 14 | Clemson | Clemson Memorial Stadium (Clemson, S.C.) | 81,500 |
| 15 | Notre Dame | Notre Dame Stadium (South Bend, Ind.) | 80,795 |
| 16 | Oklahoma | Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium (Norman, Okla.) | 80,126 |
| 17 | Florida State | Doak Campbell Stadium (Tallahassee, Fla.) | 79,560 |
| 18 | South Carolina | Williams-Brice Stadium (Columbia, S.C.) | 77,559 |
| 19 | Southern Cal | Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum (Los Angeles) | 77,500 |
| 20 | Arkansas | Donald W. Reynolds Razorback Stadium (Fayetteville, Ark.) | 76,212 |
| 21 | Wisconsin | Camp Randall Stadium (Madison, Wisc.) | 75,822 |
| 22 | Michigan State | Spartan Stadium (East Lansing, Mich.) | 74,866 |
| 23 | Washington | Husky Stadium (Seattle, Wash.) | 70,138 |
| 24 | Iowa | Kinnick Stadium (Iowa City, Iowa) | 69,250 |
| 25 | Temple | Lincoln Financial Field (Philadelphia, Pa.) | 68,532 |
Top 10 Largest NFL Stadiums by Capacity
- Capacity: 82,500: MetLife Stadium (New York Giants / New York Jets)
- Capacity: 81,441: Lambeau Field (Green Bay Packers)
- Capacity: 80,000: AT&T Stadium (Dallas Cowboys) (Cotton Bowl, Semis)
- Capacity: 76,416: Arrowhead Stadium (Kansas City Chiefs)
- Capacity: 76,125: Empower Field at Mile High (Denver Broncos)
- Capacity: 74,867: Bank of America Stadium (Carolina Panthers)
- Capacity: 73,208: Caesars Superdome (New Orleans Saints) (Sugar Bowl, QFs)
- Capacity: 72,220: NRG Stadium (Houston Texans)
- Capacity: 71,608: Highmark Stadium (Buffalo Bills)
- Capacity: 71,008: M&T Bank Stadium (Baltimore Ravens)
Rose Bowl (QF) has 90K capacity
Other Semifinal (Orange Bowl) is at Hard Rock stadium, which is 65K
The Peach Bowl (QF) and NCG are at the Benz, which is 71-75K
I'd support going one step further: give the Top 4 teams two chances to experience what Texas, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Penn State will get next weekend. It could happen if they expand the playoff to 16 teams and play both the first round and the quarterfinals on campus at the higher seed. If the bowls want games, they could have the 8 first round losers play each other in the 4 bowls currently scheduled to host quarterfinal games.
I know the odds of this ever happening are slim, but I love the idea of quarterfinal games on campus. Hell, I'd be good with playing all the playoff games at the higher seed's stadium. But I know that's a pipe dream. I can handle the semis and final being played at neutral sites.
Oregon gets a bye and only have to win 3 games instead of 4 to win the National Championship. That's whole lot more than "nothing".
While true, they're getting 3ish weeks off which some coaches think is too much.
Texas CB Jahdae Barron wins the Thorpe Award for the nation's top defensive back.
Texas OL Kelvin Banks wins the Outland Trophy and the Lombardi Award for the nation's top offensive lineman.
Hook 'em!
Texas OL Kelvin Banks wins the Outland Trophy and the Lombardi Award for the nation's top offensive lineman.
Hook 'em!
On a side note, Beaver Stadium set an attendance record with 111,030 for the Ohio State Game on 11/2 this season. They had broken the record just a few weeks earlier this season vs UCLA with 110,047 (I attended this one).
Michigan's largest attendance record is 115,109, set 9/7/2013 vs. Notre Dame
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