Colin Kaepernick being investigated for sexual assault

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It would be awesome if he's caught because the victim IDs him from his stupid tattoos.
 

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People suck. When this kind of thing comes out, I try to think of which possibility I prefer. Really they all suck.
 
Star athlete is a scumbag rapist or some woman is a gold-digging scumbag or some such other garbage. Dexter should visit one of them, I'll leave up to him which one.
 

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I find your initial reaction to assume that there is a high probability that the woman is a "gold digging scumbag or some such garbage" to be distasteful.
 

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drleather2001 said:
I find your initial reaction to assume that there is a high probability that the woman is a "gold digging scumbag or some such garbage" to be distasteful.
Where did that come from? He said in effect "it sucks he did it or he didn't." You find this to be distasteful?
 

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bowiac said:
Where did that come from? He said in effect "it sucks he did it or he didn't." You find this to be distasteful?
 
The guy couldn't figure out if he prefers the woman getting raped or the woman not really getting raped.
 

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bowiac said:
Where did that come from? He said in effect "it sucks he did it or he didn't." You find this to be distasteful?
 
Well, it certainly sucks less if he didn't do it.
 

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bowiac said:
Where did that come from? He said in effect "it sucks he did it or he didn't." You find this to be distasteful?
 
He reduces it to two possible processes and assumes a pernicious motive to one of the parties in each case.
 
That's problematic for a number of reasons.
 

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He reduces it to two possible processes and assumes a pernicious motive to one of the parties in each case.
 
That's problematic for a number of reasons.
I give up.
 

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mt8thsw9th said:
 
The guy couldn't figure out if he prefers the woman getting raped or the woman not really getting raped.
 
That's A.  B is that it's already nearly impossible for a woman to prove that she was sexually assaulted.  To give credence to the added presumption that she's a "gold digging whore"  whenever the accused is famous/rich is unfair and ignorant.  I don't doubt that blackmail happens from time to time, but to go through the trouble of filing a charge (and whatever invasive questioning/testing that entails), becoming a public person that many people will reflexively disdain, having it hang over your head for months or years, and possibly seeing it through to trial is a tremendously stressful and trying process.
 
 Getting tagged as a "possible whore" right off the bat shouldn't be part of it.
 

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I am sure this is all a misunderstanding.....that will be clarified with a check.
 

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The guy's built himself a nice little rep around San Francisco, Vegas and Miami.  If I had to bet on a non-Ben QB to face these charges, it would've been him.
 

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C4CRVT said:
People suck. When this kind of thing comes out, I try to think of which possibility I prefer. Really they all suck.
 
Star athlete is a scumbag rapist or some woman is a gold-digging scumbag or some such other garbage. Dexter should visit one of them, I'll leave up to him which one.
 
Or it could be both or neither.  Depending on the allegations, and particularly if alcohol is involved, there could be any number of possibilities but to think of it as either one extreme or another seems a bit myopic.
 

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I blame the backwards hat
I blame the flat brim and a sticker underneath it. 
 
Wearing a backwards hat with a flat brim and a sticker underneath it has disaster written all over it.
 
Throw in oversized and wearing it over your ears and you'd better be prepared to write a lot of checks with a shit ton of zeros and crooked numbers on it.
 
You oversized/backwards hat/flat brim with a sticker underneath it/wearing it over your ears trouble maker you.
 

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Marciano490 said:
The guy's built himself a nice little rep around San Francisco, Vegas and Miami.  If I had to bet on a non-Ben QB to face these charges, it would've been him.
 
Could you expand on this? 
 

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Gunfighter 09 said:
I thought he was in a fairly serious relationship with Sydney LeRoux. 
 
It was love at first sight... of god awful tattoos.
 

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Shelterdog said:
 
Could you expand on this? 
 
I don't have any huge insight, just friends who've been followed/DM'd by him on Twitter when he travels.  A couple girls I know were hanging with him at some pool in Vegas 2-3 weeks ago weren't that impressed with his approach to them.  I get it must be fun being young, rich and famous, but if you spend too much time putting yourself in poonhoundy situations, it seems like these sorts of things tend to follow.
 

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I am sure this is all a misunderstanding.....that will be clarified with a check.
 
 
I don't know that CK has the money to write a big check. He was a second round pick under the new CBA, and thus has earned about $3.8M total in his three years in the league. He might have earned that much in endorsements. While he obviously is a wealthy guy, he also doesn't have the get out of a sticky spot money that say, a Kobe Bryant has/had.  As a comparison, Rapistburger had earned almost $45M by the time of his most serious allegations in 2010. 
 

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It was love at first sight... of god awful tattoos.
 
That tats were about the 901st thing I noticed in that pic.
 

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The incident involved Kaepernick, Quinton Patton and Seahawks WR Ricardo Lockette.
 
Pretty strange report, actually:
 
 
According to the report, the incident occurred April 1 when a woman went to Lockette's apartment in Miami at 9 p.m. Kaepernick and Patton were there, and the woman made drinks and served shots to the players. She was also told "to drink the shots she had to 'hit' the bong which contained marijuana," the report said.
 
The report continues to say that the woman felt light headed and went to a bedroom where she was later joined by Kaepernick, 26, with whom she had a sexual relationship in the past. Kaepernick then left the bedroom. The two did not have sex, she said in the report. The report says that Patton, 23, and Lockette, 27, peeked inside the bedroom and that the woman yelled at them to get out.
 
According to the report, the woman does not remember anything about the night after that. She woke up in a hospital bed the following morning not knowing how she got there. The woman, whose name is redacted, reported the incident to police on April 3.
 
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/04/kaepernick-two-other-players-investigated-in-suspicious-incident-in-miami.html
 

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Forgive my ignorance, but where's does the sexual part of the sexual assault come into play here?
 
Edit: Is the article inferring they didn't have sex but he fooled around with her?
 

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It just said she and Kaep didn't have sex; it could've been something else.  Or, maybe she's alleging she was drugged and believes she was raped after passing out, but can't, obviously, state or remember the details.
 

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I think the implication is that in the hospital the next morning there was evidence of sex, and given the facts up to the point that she last remembers, it would imply the sex happened in a non-consensual way after she blacked out.
 

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FYI, Lockette was with the Niners in 2012, which is the connection there.
 
Lockette is the Clifford Franklin of the Seahawks.
 

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Hopefully more details come to light and there can be a thorough investigation.
 
Based on that article though....i think her case (valid or not) is in trouble.
 
She doesnt remember....thats bad. Someone will say "then she may not know what she did or didnt do voluntarily"
There was voluntary Booze and Drugs involved.....perhaps contributing to her "amnesia".
She had a past sexual relationship with him....thats bad.  Someone will say "So they where a couple and now they have broke up and she is trying to get back at him" or the Gold digger argument.
2 of the Witnesses are BFFs with the accused. The 2 players may outright lie....or at least do their damnedest not to implicate Kaepernick.
 
 
Not saying I believe these things..... as a matter of fact I tend to think Pro Players are most likely guilty in these cases.....but I dont think its a stretch that 1 guy...on a jury might.
 
I am curious what the SOSH Lawyer contingent thinks about this based on this VERY early information.
 

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It sounds more like the police are investigating based on the fact that she ended up in the hospital with a gap in her memory.  We can also infer (but not know) that the hospital observed evidence of sex which is why she was asked questions along those lines.  They may have done a SAFE kit, but that is not evident from the story.
 
It's possible she is trying to press charges, but that is a bit of a leap from the facts that have been reported so far.
 

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bakahump said:
Hopefully more details come to light and there can be a thorough investigation.
 
Based on that article though....i think her case (valid or not) is in trouble.
 
She doesnt remember....thats bad. Someone will say "then she may not know what she did or didnt do voluntarily"
There was voluntary Booze and Drugs involved.....perhaps contributing to her "amnesia".
She had a past sexual relationship with him....thats bad.  Someone will say "So they where a couple and now they have broke up and she is trying to get back at him" or the Gold digger argument.
2 of the Witnesses are BFFs with the accused. The 2 players may outright lie....or at least do their damnedest not to implicate Kaepernick.
 
 
Not saying I believe these things..... as a matter of fact I tend to think Pro Players are most likely guilty in these cases.....but I dont think its a stretch that 1 guy...on a jury might.
 
I am curious what the SOSH Lawyer contingent thinks about this based on this VERY early information.
 
Assuming sex can be proven another way (say through a SANE and DNA sampling), then not remembering could be a good thing.  Shows she was too intoxicated to consent.  This could also be backed up by BAC levels taken at the hospital (as well as other drug screening).
 
Voluntary intoxication is not a justification to be assaulted.  I understand what you're saying but based on the article above, she had to take bong hits before getting shots.  Again, a voluntary action by her but it could be argued it was a predatory move by the gentlemen to get her into a more intoxicated/docile.
 
Having a prior sexual relationship with CK makes her a good target for him.  No one will believe her because she's had consensual sex with him in the past.  Ideal candidate to assault.  She never claimed she was assaulted by him following previous sexual encounters or even following the final sexual encounter prior to the breakup.  What's the difference now?
 
You already pointed out why the other two witnesses, his friends, may have a motive to fabricate so they can't be trusted.
 
I am just playing Devil's advocate with the very limited information presented thus far not presenting a valid prosecution strategy but those might be some places I would start.
 

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Early thoughts and its a reach based on that quoted part.
 
"Two did not have sex" - I think that means they did not have sex between the time Kaep came in and left the bedroom.
Bong hits - I think she's setting her version up to allege that they forced her to ingest drugs and drink.
No memory after a certain point...waking up in the hospital - Sounds like she showed up to give a rape kit, but unvoluntary. So maybe this is being reported to the cops by hospital administration under the procedures required and she isn't necessarily a cooperating victim at this point. 
 
Again, way to early to draw any real conclusions.
 

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To expand a bit: Obviously there are more than two possible realities of the case. When I started processing the possibility that he did in fact sexually assault her, I thought "well, maybe he's being falsely accused" as a possible "well it's not as bad as it could be" thought process. Which was quickly followed by thinking of how crummy it is for anyone who might be falsely accused/ extorted but more so for any negative effect that false accusers have on actual assault victims.
 
I'm not trying to draw any conclusions about the number of possible realities of the case or the relative moral repugnance of each. More just disgusted with the first two that come to mind.
 

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JohntheBaptist said:
This is fabulous following the rest of your post. Great work, sport.
 
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