Clippers Thread: Just Be Healthy in April

ElUno20

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Just a place to park clippers specific thoughts. I'm not sure why they're top title contenders. I dont see PG staying healthy and Kawhi's game management is going to be tough to navigate in the West.

If, big if, they can be healthy in April, we'll see.

It'd also be nice if they got anything out of Jerome Robinson this year given they spent a lottery pick on him.
 

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Just a place to park clippers specific thoughts. I'm not sure why they're top title contenders. I dont see PG staying healthy and Kawhi's game management is going to be tough to navigate in the West.

If, big if, they can be healthy in April, we'll see.

It'd also be nice if they got anything out of Jerome Robinson this year given they spent a lottery pick on him.
I'll give it a shot, they have:
1. Two All-NBA stars with their egos in check, that play defense, that can shoot and are focused on hoops in Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. Not starring in movies, building a media empire or even the face of any product. No nonsense, just ballplayers.
2. Bigs that don't mind doing the dirty work in Zubac/Trez
3. The reigning 6th man of the year in Lou Williams who can get an isolation bucket at will.
4. Guys that love to play aggressive defense in Pat Beverly/Mo Harkless
5. Role players that can shoot the 3 in Shamet/Green
6. A coach that has done it before and has the respect of NBA players across the league
7. The richest owner in the NBA, that is building a new stadium, where paying extra salary cap taxes will easily be subsidized by winning big. He also hired Jerry West to lend a hand.
8. The GSW have broken up their 4 HOFers and a DPOY lineup.

So a combo of veteran stars, role players, scorers/shooters, defenders, size, quickness, coaching, money, respect with less competition from years past.

Pretty much sums it up. Enjoy the ride!
 

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To add to #1, they’re also the two stars who you’d want if your goal is to make Lebron’s life a living hell when you’re matched up against him.


 

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Ben Hogan nailed it, imo. Great teams since the Jordan era have been constructed around elite, versatile wings. With the Durant Achilles and LeBron 35, the two most elite and versatile of those in the league are probably Kawhi and PG. Both are nearly flawless basketball players: long and athletic; fantastic defenders; high character around which to build team attitude and culture; both much better shooters and FT shooters than LeBron has ever been. And both exactly the right age to dominate: 28 and 29.

If you want to nitpick, neither is quite the passer LeBron is (or Jordan, or even KD), but they’re both solid passers and high IQ decision-makers. And neither has been a model of durability, though I wouldn’t call either of them a glass jaw either.

With a core of the two most elite wings in the league, constructing the rest of your team is pretty easy, but even beyond them, the Clips’ roster is a great mix of youth, versatility, skills, and toughness: Lou Williams, Beverley, Harrell, Shamet, JaMychal Green, Harkless, Zubac. Absolutely love that group.

Not sure I’d take them over the field, just cos variance with injuries, etc. always favors the 29 over the 1 (the dynastic Warriors say hi). But I’d definitely take them over any other single team, and over the weirdly constructed, slow, potentially defensively disastrous Lakers every day and twice on Sunday.

in related news: the Lakers were smoked this morning by Caris LeVert and the KD/Kyrie-less Nets, and Anthony Davis is already hurt (sprained thumb).
 

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I'm probably biased and rooting hard for the Clippers, as is anyone that lives in LA, and hates the Lakers.

I enjoyed watching them down the stretch and in the playoffs. I respect Doc and how can you not love Lou Will? Always liked Trez, just a dog. Basketball Ops have been incredibly clever since breaking up LOB CITY.

I feel the Tobias Harris trade was absolutely brilliant and a very underrated deal. The entire NBA Media Intelligentsia claimed the Clippers were tanking and Philly won that trade, when in actuality the Clippers got better, picked up assets, got out from under a potentially overpriced player and set themselves up for their 2019 Summer of Love.

They have basically hit on every trade over the last 3 seasons, SGA was an excellent pick and I wouldn't be surprised if Robinson, Mann or Kabengele add value this season.
 
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Tony C

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My memory is that "the entire NBA Media Intelligentsia" claimed the opposite of what you say they said -- the Clipper gained hosannas for that trade. I just did a quick google of the espn trade grades and it accords with my memory -- giving the Clippers an A and the 76ers a C-


No way was that an underrated deal -- it was obviously a great trade and everyone saw it as such.
 

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Yeah, almost everyone loved the deal for LAC, but more as a tank while waiting for Kawhi. The surprise was that LAC then proceeded to make the playoffs, give GSW a hard time and land Kawhi after that while keeping that playoff core intact.

I think the other surprise was that more people expected Philly to be better with Harris, and also not to lose Butler.
 

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My memory is that "the entire NBA Media Intelligentsia" claimed the opposite of what you say they said -- the Clipper gained hosannas for that trade. I just did a quick google of the espn trade grades and it accords with my memory -- giving the Clippers an A and the 76ers a C-


No way was that an underrated deal -- it was obviously a great trade and everyone saw it as such.
Thanks Tony C (and lovegtm). The media immediately got the value part of the equation correct, my memory got it wrong.

Those hosannas for the Clippers were deserved and then some. They have done no wrong for several years.

Credit to Kevin Pelton, he did a fantastic job with the grades at the time. But he didn't even see the Clippers going to the playoffs after it. No one did. It did feel like they would keep their 1st round pick (which they lost to the Celtics). Funny enough, getting rid of Harris didn't hurt them one iota and they played better afterwards. Who had addition by subtraction, beside West/Franks? Really amazing work by the Clippers front office. Then they turned Muscala into Zubac...holy smokes.

BTW I thought it made the 76ers better the day of the trade but then I started looking at Harris's defensive metrics. Yuck, gawd awful. Sixers compounded that bad trade by signing him to a MAX deal (I guess they had no choice?). Sixers can carry him because he'll be surrounded by 4 good defenders in the starting unit with Al/Embiid protecting the rim as wings run past Tobias to the hoop. He won't age well defensively and the Sixers lost a better 3pt shooter in Shamet. The 76ers window was shortened by those deals.
 

Tony C

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Yeah, the other thing to add that was better than expected for the Clippers is that while Shamet was seen as a good get, he further upped his stock once he arrived in L.A. -- again, more credit to the Clips and Jerry West et al. They know their stuff.
 

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I dont disagree with any of the points made, in fact, the few moments I've let myself think about it, I've gotten pretty excited about this roster. It's lacking another playmaker but it really is sound.

My draw back to reality is the assumption of health. And i know my clipps, injuries will cut this squad off at knees (probably literally).