Chapel Bill: We're on to Carolina

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I keep thinking Bill Walsh and Stanford. Did not end well.
Walsh was also out of coaching for four years prior to joining Stanford. He was successful the first year at least. The next two didn’t go well, of course.

Belichick has been out a year but been in touch with the game and people in a lots of ways. Hell, maybe Arch Manning is his way to Chapel Hill. I’m sure his uncles would support the idea.
 

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Love this. I would bet he’s not going to be a great college coach but it will be incredibly interesting to watch
 

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So I'm not very in tune with the annual college cycle and timing thereof. How far behind the recruiting 8-ball is Bill right now, if he starts as of today and doesn't take a holiday break? A month? A few months? Can he build a reasonable recruiting class in that time or is his first year going to be like Patriots 2000, sort of the Voyage of the Damned?

I see there was an early NLI period last week, and the main one opens February 5th through April 1st... are those the big brackets for when he has to have all his ducks in a row?
 

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Somewhere Marv Levy and Don Shula are sharing a chuckle.

My sources tell me the last negotiating sticking point with UNC was BB wanted the same honorific as legendary Tar Heel hoops coach, Smith. When UNC informed BB, it was "Coach" Smith, BB insisted on being called Dean. UNC finally agreed.
 

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I've never given a damn about college sports of any kind, but now I'm going to be a UNC football fan. At least for a while.
 

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I mean, good for Bill.

NFL jobs are never guaranteed. While there will be openings, some may be completely unattractive to Bill. Teams may decide to stick with their incumbent (Giants, Dallas), or the newly named interim (Bears) for continuity purposes. Waiting for Buffalo to bow out in the playoffs may be waiting for an event that doesn't happen this time around. And owners are petty and vengeful and some probably hate Belichick for winning. It still seems ludicrous to me, but I'm not an NFL owner needing to hire a new coach.

The legacy stuff gets overblown sometimes. He won 6 fucking Lombardi's as a head coach and two more as an assistant. He has a defensive game plan enshrined in Canton already. If he's not in the HoF the first chance he is eligible, they should tear the fucking thing down and turn it into a dispensary.
 

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I keep thinking Bill Walsh and Stanford. Did not end well.
funny story on that walsh first year in his 2nd time back at stanford he had a top 10 team a num 1 def led by S john lynch LB Ron georeg and others but once they lost to Wash they fell fast walsh turned out to be a bad recuiter and went 10-3 his first year but 7-19 after that
 

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Hit piece? He gets some digs in I guess but makes plenty of valid points. The list of former NFL coaches who were going to bring NFL style to college football is full of failures. The ones who succeed adapt like Bill O’Brien.
I agree not a real hit piece. Though I would note one difference between O'Brien (and Belichick) and that list is O'Brien and Bill were good NFL head coaches and the rest there were bad NFL coaches.
 

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So I'm not very in tune with the annual college cycle and timing thereof. How far behind the recruiting 8-ball is Bill right now, if he starts as of today and doesn't take a holiday break? A month? A few months? Can he build a reasonable recruiting class in that time or is his first year going to be like Patriots 2000, sort of the Voyage of the Damned?

I see there was an early NLI period last week, and the main one opens February 5th through April 1st... are those the big brackets for when he has to have all his ducks in a row?
The December transfer portal window is open right now and he'll need to be active in it right away. There's also the April transfer portal and late signing day for high schoolers is February 5.

It's not as difficult to scrape together a class as it was ten years ago but him and his staff will have to hit the ground running and hopefully have the NIL backing from UNC boosters that has been lackluster so far.
 

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I agree not a real hit piece. Though I would note one difference between O'Brien (and Belichick) and that list is O'Brien and Bill were good NFL head coaches and the rest there were bad NFL coaches.
Yeah, I mean, Herm Edwards and Lovie Smith didn’t bring good programs to college? College should get in line.

Unqualified! I laughed. There are differences to be sure and UNC is starting from a shaky place, but shit isn’t alchemy to a great coach and administrator.
 

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The December transfer portal window is open right now and he'll need to be active in it right away. There's also the April transfer portal and late signing day for high schoolers is February 5.

It's not as difficult to scrape together a class as it was ten years ago but him and his staff will have to hit the ground running and hopefully have the NIL backing from UNC boosters that has been lackluster so far.
I’ve seen stuff on twitter that UNC is upping from 4 million to 20 million in NIL for football. BB has the backing to improve this roster quickly.
 

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Hit piece? He gets some digs in I guess but makes plenty of valid points. The list of former NFL coaches who were going to bring NFL style to college football is full of failures. The ones who succeed adapt like Bill O’Brien.
it’s not a hit piece.

The people that have interacted and played for Belichick don’t think he will be a great college coach.

Not everything is bias or a hit piece.

Gronk, Edelman and Brady were on Fox and all 3 of them immediately said that they couldn’t even imagine BB coaching college

I eagerly await the reply to this which lists all of their issues and biases and how they want to keep BB down or they don’t understand how easy it is to coach college. Probably explains why Saban (the closest thing to Belichick) outright quit from an incredibly cushy gig
 
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You could have given me 50 guesses for his next gig and I wouldn't have picked UNC.
 

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Well perhaps the family likes that part of the country. It is supposedly very nice in NC. Bill is originally from TENN so they may like that area of the country.
I think it’s pretty simple. Another couple years of success at Washington and he’d get a shot as HC for a team on a rebuild that will require a quick turnaround. By going this route, he simply steps into his HC job with the work of building his program already underway……and maybe getting a pay bump from his previous $1.2m a year to boot along the way.
 

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This is the best part of the deal. We don’t have to listen to this blowhard anymore pretending he’s not Bill’s puppy.
When did he ever pretend that. Im jus sad I won’t get to hear him talking about Atlanta’s march to the Super Bowl
 

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I’m pretty excited about this. It feels like BB is basically thumbing his nose at the NFL and saying “I don’t give a shit about records”. And, now, he is going to try and reinvent the NCAAF experience in the “new NCAA” and build out a model for the next couple of decades. I kinda like it, it’s a pretty baller move on his part.

Of course, it may just be that his 24 year old girlfriend likes Chapel Hill and he wants to assure getting the young ass.
 

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The interesting question, to me, is whether Bill's "pipeline to the NFL" pitch will outweigh the fact that everyone is going to be asked to put the team before self (except, Bill of course) and for players who want to shine, that can be a turn off. Really interesting to see how this plays out.

I find it genuinely astonishing that no NFL team wants to take a run at him. Like what does JAX possibly have to lose.
 

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The interesting question, to me, is whether Bill's "pipeline to the NFL" pitch will outweigh the fact that everyone is going to be asked to put the team before self (except, Bill of course) and for players who want to shine, that can be a turn off. Really interesting to see how this plays out.

I find it genuinely astonishing that no NFL team wants to take a run at him. Like what does JAX possibly have to lose.
No one is signing up for the 2022-23 BB experience. I’m sure teams wanted to see evidence that he’s learned from that experience — which, practically speaking, probably meant an openness to working with a personnel guy with some degree of autonomy, and hiring an OC with whom he hasn’t previously worked (though McDaniels might be acceptable).
 

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I’m pretty excited about this. It feels like BB is basically thumbing his nose at the NFL and saying “I don’t give a shit about records”. And, now, he is going to try and reinvent the NCAAF experience in the “new NCAA” and build out a model for the next couple of decades. I kinda like it, it’s a pretty baller move on his part.

Of course, it may just be that his 24 year old girlfriend likes Chapel Hill and he wants to assure getting the young ass.
I think it's more likely he understood there wouldn't be an opportunity to achieve said records in the NFL. Taking a reported 3 year, 30 million dollar deal at UNC doesn't scream "I could have had a job in the league if I wanted one".
 

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No one is signing up for the 2022-23 BB experience. I’m sure teams wanted to see evidence that he’s learned from that experience — which, practically speaking, probably meant an openness to working with a personnel guy with some degree of autonomy, and hiring an OC with whom he hasn’t previously worked (though McDaniels might be acceptable).
I think it's more likely he understood there wouldn't be an opportunity to achieve said records in the NFL. Taking a reported 3 year, 30 million dollar deal at UNC doesn't scream "I could have had a job in the league if I wanted one".
Yes to all of this. This was a smart move by BB, in the sense that he wasn't going to get the NFL offer that he wanted. He's not ready to retire now. He doesn't want the end of his narrative to be "got old and had to retire because he couldn't get a job." So this is a way to go out in a different way and more on his own terms.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out, but I'd expect it to work.
 

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Either way good for him. He realizes records won’t enhance is glory and a shit run could tarnish it. I think he knows he’s too old the keep up with the NFL we just didn’t see it because he didn’t hang on too long. Even the sharpest minds slow down and I doubt Bill would ever subject anyone to that as he’s his biggest critic as is. What would he gain from leading the Jaguars to a Super Bowl anyway? It would be a cool little side note like Brady’s Bucs ring.

And honestly I think he mostly wants to get away from analyst roles where he could end up getting a whole new generation mad at him for critical analysis. I see him as bored and likely wanting to just speak more about football as a game, rather than players that are just fodder for network ratings and fantasy football clicks. Just let the dude riff on some documentaries and become a minor cfb legend winning 10 games with UNC and winning an alright bowl. Just once. I see him personally wanting to probably channel that into a book once he retires. TV was just marketing to stay relavent.

UNC is UNC, but I think it’s pretty brilliant a signing for them as their expectations are zero and it can always be chalked up to age and or adjustment to the game, recruiting or whatever. But having Maye potentially the face of the NFL, and UNC even relevant for a Charlie Weis-ian moment and there are QBs growing up wanting to be the next Drake Maye. All the conferences are shuffled. Nothing matters anymore. Why not them.
 

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Yes to all of this. This was a smart move by BB, in the sense that he wasn't going to get the NFL offer that he wanted. He's not ready to retire now. He doesn't want the end of his narrative to be "got old and had to retire because he couldn't get a job." So this is a way to go out in a different way and more on his own terms.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out, but I'd expect it to work.
I think this works too especially when he’s getting 20 million in NIL to work with. Could he schmooze more money out of Michael Jordan for even more NIL? UNC has a soft schedule next year that they can be extremely competitive and even compete for the ACC title with buying the right players.
 

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This is going to be utterly fascinating to watch. It's a giant middle finger to the NFL types that have decided he isn't worthy of coaching in their league anymore, and for that reason I hope he succeeds wildly.
 

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Cross posting from the NFL thread:

I don't watch college football, but I will be watching UNC games next season. I can't be the only one. I wonder what kind of impact that has for UNC and NCAA financially.
 

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I'm quite sure he still knows how to coach football. I'm also pretty sure that at least for a year, maybe two, some really good players are going to want to play for the greatest coach of all time.

If UNC can make sure he has the necessary $$ to work with (NIL), he could really cook.
 

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I'm not really a college football fan, so what would a successful season for UNC look like?
Winning conference record probably would be considered a success.

Shooting for the moon, I don't think competing for the conference title and a playoff berth is too lofty of a goal or unattainable under the right circumstances. The ACC is somewhat open. There's no true power team standing in the way like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, LSU, etc in the SEC and Michigan and Ohio State in the B1G. Clemson is usually pretty good but they haven't been a true power since the DeShaun Watson years. Dabo hasn't really adjusted to the new landscape. Florida State has the resouces but they were a 2-10 disaster last year. Miami is losing their QB and is generally up and down. SMU will probably be good again. Louisiville seems like a team that is always ranked around 25-35 but never a real threat. After them you're in the soft underbelly with teams like Syracuse, BC, Virginia, Virginia Tech. Bill the coach will clean up some of the messy play from UNC this year (the defense was terrible). If Bill/Lombardi add enough talent I don't see how they couldn't hang in the race for a conference title, or title game appearance. Their schedule is pretty esay.

Home: TCU, Richmond, Clemson, Duke, Stanford, Virginia
Road: Charlotte, UCF, Cal, NC State, Syracuse, Wake Forest

Things can change quick in college.
 

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I think it's gonna be a train wreck... an entertaining train wreck tho.
 

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Winning conference record probably would be considered a success.

Shooting for the moon, I don't think competing for the conference title and a playoff berth is too lofty of a goal or unattainable under the right circumstances. The ACC is somewhat open. There's no true power team standing in the way like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, LSU, etc in the SEC and Michigan and Ohio State in the B1G. Clemson is usually pretty good but they haven't been a true power since the DeShaun Watson years. Dabo hasn't really adjusted to the new landscape. Florida State has the resouces but they were a 2-10 disaster last year. Miami is losing their QB and is generally up and down. SMU will probably be good again. Louisiville seems like a team that is always ranked around 25-35 but never a real threat. After them you're in the soft underbelly with teams like Syracuse, BC, Virginia, Virginia Tech. Bill the coach will clean up some of the messy play from UNC this year (the defense was terrible). If Bill/Lombardi add enough talent I don't see how they couldn't hang in the race for a conference title, or title game appearance. Their schedule is pretty esay.

Home: TCU, Richmond, Clemson, Duke, Stanford, Virginia
Road: Charlotte, UCF, Cal, NC State, Syracuse, Wake Forest

Things can change quick in college.
They won the National Championship in 2018, which was after Watson and then made it to the final again in 2019 and Semi-Final in 2020. Less success the last 4 years, but perennially ranked in the Top 20.

With the transfer portal, college teams can be turned around faster than at any point prior, so especially with the reported NIL budget, I think you should be looking almost at Colorado as the model. HIs first season at Colorado was rough (4-8 overall and 1-8 in conference), but this year they are 9-3 and 7-2 in conference, ranked 20th at the moment.
 

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I don't know the guy-- and some people here might and have some basis for having a perspective on this-- but I really wonder if/why Steve would want to go be the DC and UNC. The dude is already a successful DC at a higher-status program. He's young enough to be on track for DC position in the pros or a HC position in college.
It just might be that he wants to work with his dad who he is really close to. Side note, I listened to a huskies podcast last night that discussed who night replace Steve and they said he was one of the top play callers in college football and no way would they be able to match that with his replacement. Also they thought he was at most a two year at wash hire given that everyone there thought he would be DC on his dad's next team.