Celtics vs. Heat Game 1 ECF

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It would really annoy me if I'm Jaylen Brown and know that I'm not touching the ball in the last three minutes of the game. Not even like the last possession, but minutes at a time.

He sucked tonight, so no need for him to pout. I expect a good game 2 from him.
 

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Of course he is a big time player. But he looked bad down the stretch after looking unstoppable earlier in the game
Did he actually look that bad? He missed shots but I don't recall shaking my head or groaning at any of his choices, except arguably the final play in regulation but even that was mostly Kemba/Brad.
 

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He isn't Kobe or MJ though. Need to stop asking him to iso after they run the clock down he needs stuff like they ran for Bird where he gets a catch off some action and can read and make a quick move.
 

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He sucked tonight, so no need for him to pout. I expect a good game 2 from him.
Sure, but Kemba was equally bad and got to pound out the ball as much as he wanted. I get it with a possession or two left, but not the last 3-5 min.
 

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I'm concerned about their ability to close. Outside of Grant's block in game 7, they can't get a stop when they absolutely have to have one, and they're not getting easy looks in crunch time either.
 

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To the question of what to challenge, I would have challenged the Crowder foul where he took a dive, and said it in the thread.
 

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Did he actually look that bad? He missed shots but I don't recall shaking my head or groaning at any of his choices, except arguably the final play in regulation but even that was mostly Kemba/Brad.
Looked like a few of his late shots basically rimmed out on good looks inside. If anything I guess you’d hope for a bit more misdirection/change of speed to draw fouls and such, though we weren’t getting a good whistle.
 

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Tatum had a wide-open lane to the basket, seems like the spacing was fine.

If Bam slightly misses his block he just gave the game away. Honestly, by the numbers, the contest of the block was stupid and could have given the game away. He just made an all-time great play so people are lauding it.
Weren't the Heat up two there? Even if Tatum makes the dunk, the Heat get it back with a chance to win. (Unless a foul was called.)
 

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Sure, but Kemba was equally bad and got to pound out the ball as much as he wanted. I get it with a possession or two left, but not the last 3-5 min.
This! While Jaylen is not a ball handler, Kemba has skates on half the time slipping and dribbling into double teams.
 

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All the handwringing about their shitty execution down the stretch aside, if Kemba is legit hurt and this is as good as it going to get from him then I think it’s pretty easily Miami in 5 or 6 and the curse of Ed Lacerte carries on. I don’t know what treatment they’re giving him but he looks like a guy whose cortisone or Synvisc or whatever shot that was propping him up against Philly and the first half of the Toronto series wore off
 

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I'm concerned about their ability to close. Outside of Grant's block in game 7, they can't get a stop when they absolutely have to have one, and they're not getting easy looks in crunch time either.

Didn’t they hold Raptors scoreless for the last 5 minutes of a game or something.

Let’s not overreact. Miami/Bos/Toronto are all pretty even. I favor us but we’re younger. I’m pissed about this game but we were right there.
 

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Where Brad loses me as a coach a bit is that he thinks it’s better to let good players take bad shots or make bad plays because over the long haul it will balance out and leave the team on the right side of things. But it lost them the game tonight.
As a professional basketball coach, it probably is the correct move to trust your star players and hope they turn it around. Especially since it is only game 1 of the series and we need Kemba to be back to his self to win the series. Regardless, I'm still furious at Kemba and Brad.
 

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Kemba Walker isn't the reason Miami shot 47.1% from the field and gave up so many points in the paint. Its also not because Tatum and Brown are too inexperienced.

After playing good D to start, the Celtics essentially let down and that was it. Leads and lead changes aren't relevant if you follow the sport.
 

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Weren't the Heat up two there? Even if Tatum makes the dunk, the Heat get it back with a chance to win. (Unless a foul was called.)
That's my point. He attempted an extremely high-risk play to put his team down 1 with 2 seconds left.
 

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All the handwringing about their shitty execution down the stretch aside, if Kemba is legit hurt and this is as good as it going to get from him then I think it’s pretty easily Miami in 5 or 6 and the curse of Ed Lacerte carries on. I don’t know what treatment they’re giving him but he looks like a guy whose cortisone or Synvisc or whatever shot that was propping him up against Philly and the first half of the Toronto series wore off
I feel like this ends with his knee collapsing on one of the few times he is actually able to stop on a dime. As is, half the time it looks about to give out when he tries it, which was far too often tonight.
 

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I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just not seeing a championship team. Kemba makes me long for I.T. and the bench is less than lackluster.
 

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Kemba Walker isn't the reason Miami shot 47.1% from the field and gave up so many points in the paint. Its also not because Tatum and Brown are too inexperienced.

After playing good D to start, the Celtics essentially let down and that was it. Leads and lead changes aren't relevant if you follow the sport.
It’s okay to admit a player was bad when he was bad.
 

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Tatum had a wide-open lane to the basket, seems like the spacing was fine.

If Bam slightly misses his block he just gave the game away. Honestly, by the numbers, the contest of the block was stupid and could have given the game away. He just made an all-time great play so people are lauding it.
I'm talking about the end of regulation possession versus the Butler play.
 

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I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just not seeing a championship team. Kemba makes me long for I.T. and the bench is less than lackluster.
They’re a couple pieces away. One of those pieces will hopefully return soon. The other is hopefully coming in the draft.
 

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That's my point. He attempted an extremely high-risk play to put his team down 1 with 2 seconds left.
Bam probably figured if he didn't block it cleanly, he'd foul Tatum hard enough that the shot wouldn't fall. What's the alternative? Giving up an uncontested and game-tying layup to Tatum?

Great play by Bam.
 

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Kemba Walker isn't the reason Miami shot 47.1% from the field and gave up so many points in the paint. Its also not because Tatum and Brown are too inexperienced.

After playing good D to start, the Celtics essentially let down and that was it. Leads and lead changes aren't relevant if you follow the sport.
He isn't the sole reason, but he was one of the main reasons why our defense was poor (from time to time) today.
-Whenever he got matched up 1-1 with Butler, we had to help him by doubling Bulter and that led to some kickout passes and open 3's.
-Also I counted at least 3 times when he just straight up missed the defensive rotation. I'm pretty sure other people found more.
 

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It’s okay to admit a player was bad when he was bad.
If the Celtics hold the Heat to their playoff average FG% against they likely win this game. If Kemba Walker shoots his season averages I cannot say the same. Adjustments can't really make individuals perform better. They can help teams win.

I am looking for ways the Celtics can improve. Other people are looking for culprits.
 

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I am talking about the block. Attempting to block a dunk is an extremely high-risk play.
Ah, my bad. You're right. Honestly the most likely outcome there if you crunch the numbers is probably an and-one, which would put the Heat in an even worse position. Just timed it exactly right.
 

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To put this game and the Celtics in context, they lost an OT game with a cripple at point guard and missing an all-star wing.

and the opponent hit 45% of their 3s,

WE SUCK

its game 1
 

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I feel like this ends with his knee collapsing on one of the few times he is actually able to stop on a dime. As is, half the time it looks about to give out when he tries it, which was far too often tonight.
And it wasn’t just him missing shots. Miami hunted him like crazy with traps and it too often led to bad possessions. There was one possession where he couldn’t get past Duncan fucking Robinson one on one and that to me was the biggest red flag of all. Reminds me of when IT couldn’t get past Kevin Love a few years ago and we all knew something was badly wrong. I’m not blaming Kemba for the loss but Kemba is such a negative on both ends if isn’t capable of playing better that it’s such a huge handicap to overcome.
 

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And it wasn’t just him missing shots. Miami hunted him like crazy with traps and it too often led to bad possessions. There was one possession where he couldn’t get past Duncan fucking Robinson one on one and that to me was the biggest red flag of all. Reminds me of when IT couldn’t get past Kevin Love a few years ago and we all knew something was badly wrong. I’m not blaming Kemba for the loss but Kemba is such a negative on both ends if isn’t capable of playing better that it’s such a huge handicap to overcome.
My red flag was the minute I started begging for Brad to stay in over Kemba and knowing I was right.
 

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They lost by three points and Kemba was 1/9 from three. What am I missing?
All I am saying is that I am more confident that a team defending better has more of an impact than an individual performance. Coaching can't really correct for the latter either, especially at this point.

People can blame anyone they want. I like looking at solutions.
 

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I just don’t understand that offense in the last few minutes of the fourth.
This is my problem. Just like the end of games in the Raptors series it seems like we are trying to run out the clock when the game isn’t over. The Celtics walk the ball over half court barely beating an 8 second call and then Tatum or Walker pounds the ball into the floor and don’t try to score until there are only 3 seconds left on the shot clock. The defense can jump them because there is no time to do anything else. I feel like I have seen that play when Kemba was stoned by Crowder a bunch of times in the last 10 days. Kemba starts so late that there is no alternative but a bad, contested shot. I would love to see more movement but even if you go with isolation I feel like they need to go sooner and have some weakside action instead of Brown and Smart just standing in the corners.
 

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I think to win these games (at least without Hayward) we need 2 of Tatum, Brown or Kemba to play really well. We got one tonight. Smart negates some of that but NEEDING his offense is indicative of a problem IMO.
 

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I don't think so?

Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is sitting or rolling on the ring and using the basket ring as its lower base or hang on the rim while the ball is passing
  1. EXCEPTION: If a player near his own basket has his hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if his contact with the ball continues after the ball enters the cylinder, or if, in such action, he touches the basket
Is "his own basket" talking about the offense or defense? I guess I see it as, you can dunk a ball... But also...you have to let players block dunks.