Celtics vs Heat ECF Redux Discussion Thread

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Well that’s the thing. They’re clearly a more talented team than Miami, especially with Miami’s injuries. Talent usually wins out in the NBA. In this case it isn’t. Something is obviously rotten and maybe we find out after the season what it is.
Milwaukee was more talented than Miami too, and I was pretty sure the Knicks were also, going into that series. Butler is playing at a level that few have since Jordan, MIA is 10-2 now when he plays (he missed game 2 in the NY series), and Spoelstra is masterful. Also Herro and Oladipo can both be ball hogs, I wonder if their injuries actually forced MIA into a more effective rotation.
 

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Nothing particularly insightful to add but Jaylen was horrible early and stayed that way throughout. And watching the team slowly unravel in the fourth was predictable and excruciating.

I also agree with @jon abbey that the Heat are better without Herro and Oladipo. There is something to be said about everyone knowing their roles and doing them.
 

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I watched the first half, wondering how the hell I was so wrong about the Celtics clearly having more talent, and about how they would win in five or six games. I'm starting to think it's mostly this (lifted from the game thread):
Their fatal flaw is that they're a collection of (talented) individuals and not a team. The parts are greater than the sum.
Miami just executes really, really well. The Celtics do in spurts, but not nearly as consistently. They too often fall into the "my turn, your turn" trap on offense. I'm starting to think the Heat could beat us with Butler (you need at least one threat of his magnitude) and four guys from the rec league. It's almost like most of the Heat players realize they're not NBA stars, and so they need to execute well, or they don't win. It's more of a selfless, lunch pail work ethic.
 

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They gave up 36 points in the 4th, and 2 30+ point quarters in the game.

This team has to win by defending, and they haven't.
 

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This team has to win by defending, and they haven't.
Last year, under Ime, they were a defense-first team. This year, under Mazz, they seemed to get away from that. Early on, it didn't seem to matter, when they started out the year with unsustainably good three-point shooting and the offense was on fire. But then the three-point shooting normalized. Of course, some of the defensive lapse is a diminished Rob, but not all of it.
 

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1. Brown, Smart & Horford were awful last night

2. Mix in that the Heat are organized, know their roles, can adjust on the fly, & take things away from Boston offensively while getting Jimmy half the court to go 1v1 on any Boston defender (Coaching advantages)

3. The Celtics hang their hat on 3pt shooting. Variance can sting.
Starters G1 5-18
Starters G2 5-23

This can all turn around if one of Smart, Brown, or Horford starts playing well.
 
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Just throwing one last timeout log onto this bonfire. But I found it a little odd that Joe didn't call a TO with 8 seconds, down 6.
Get organized, draw up a play for a quick 3 from the halfcourt, and try to force a turnover on Miami inbound.

I don't care if it's a 1/100 chance, I've seen this team hit quick 3s and defend inbound plays well before.
 

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If they lose this series (and that's still an if, because nothing would surprise me less than this particular team suddenly turning it on and taking both in Miami), there are going to be pretty big changes.

I'd expect everything except Tatum and Brown (and maybe Horford, because of favorable contract) to be available for reconfiguring.
 

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Just throwing one last timeout log onto this bonfire. But I found it a little odd that Joe didn't call a TO with 8 seconds, down 6.
Get organized, draw up a play for a quick 3 from the halfcourt, and try to force a turnover on Miami inbound.

I don't care if it's a 1/100 chance, I've seen this team hit quick 3s and defend inbound plays well before.
I think Mazzulla was shellshocked and had essentially checked out at that point.
 

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If they lose this series (and that's still an if, because nothing would surprise me less than this particular team suddenly turning it on and taking both in Miami), there are going to be pretty big changes.

I'd expect everything except Tatum and Brown (and maybe Horford, because of favorable contract) to be available for reconfiguring.
I think the first thing to figure out is a market for Smart. What he provides in grit and hustle is pretty easily offset by avoidable mistakes on offense (preventable turnovers) and propensity to shoot when he probably shouldn’t.
 

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Last year, under Ime, they were a defense-first team. This year, under Mazz, they seemed to get away from that. Early on, it didn't seem to matter, when they started out the year with unsustainably good three-point shooting and the offense was on fire. But then the three-point shooting normalized. Of course, some of the defensive lapse is a diminished Rob, but not all of it.
And defense plays in the playoffs. They gave up 86 and 88 in games 6 and 7 to the Sixers. I don't understand why they can't motivate themselves to play like that all the time in the playoffs.
 

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It’s effort and execution. Miami does it more consistently and it’s been the Achilles heel for this Celtics team all season. They revert back consistently at the worst times, I can’t decide if they don’t trust each other fully or just don’t know how to sustain. The coach is a small part, same habits they have had through Steven’s, Udoka and Mazzulla. At some point it’s clearly the players, the core is still young and may need a few more hard lessons before they get what it takes.

Also trash talking Butler is not a great play, certain players you just shouldn’t go down that path with. Especially if you are Grant Williams. And it’s Jimmy Butler, literally the only person you can’t afford to motivate. He’s a dumb, less talented Draymond right now and reverting to the lesser version of himself as a player. But at least he has company.
 

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Last year, under Ime, they were a defense-first team. This year, under Mazz, they seemed to get away from that. Early on, it didn't seem to matter, when they started out the year with unsustainably good three-point shooting and the offense was on fire. But then the three-point shooting normalized. Of course, some of the defensive lapse is a diminished Rob, but not all of it.
100%. Just listen to CJM talk after these games. His number 1 concern is always the offense and defense is secondary. In reality defense should be their primary concern. They have scored enough to win a lot of these games especially if they were playing defense like last year.

If they don’t win this series, I believe CJM is gone given what coaches are currently out there. I kind of feel bad though because the Celtics put him in an unfair position. He wasn’t ready to be the coach and probably needed a few more years of grooming. I would put the blame more on Stevens here. Oh and Ime too. F that guy.
 
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If they don’t win this series, I believe CJM is gone given what coaches are currently out there. I kind of feel bad though because the Celtics put him in an unfair position. He wasn’t ready to be the coach and probably needed a few more years of grooming. I would put the blame more on Stevens here. Oh and Ime too. F that guy.
Stevens didn't really have options.
 

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I remember having discussions about this at the time and at least Quin Snyder was available? I’m pretty sure my concerns then was wanting a coach who could handle the playoffs. Probably you could argue Snyder isn’t exactly that but I’d really like to see this team coached by someone from a different tree who brings a different system and deployment of the talent
 

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It’s effort and execution. Miami does it more consistently and it’s been the Achilles heel for this Celtics team all season. They revert back consistently at the worst times, I can’t decide if they don’t trust each other fully or just don’t know how to sustain. The coach is a small part, same habits they have had through Steven’s, Udoka and Mazzulla. At some point it’s clearly the players, the core is still young and may need a few more hard lessons before they get what it takes.
I really don't think the "core is young" excuse can apply anymore. They've been to the ECF enough times to know what it takes. It's not like they are going to learn something new with a loss to Miami that they have not already learned. We may just be seeing the ceiling of this particular mix of players; I'm not at all convinced that Smart/Brown is the right mix to complement Tatum going forward.

Stevens didn't really have options.
Yep. People seem to forget that the Ime situation blew up literally a week prior to the start of training camp. There was no magical veteran coach available that was a better option than Coach Joe. But there is already a ton more veteran coaching talent available this offseason if Stevens should decide to go that route (unlikely).
 

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I remember having discussions about this at the time and at least Quin Snyder was available? I’m pretty sure my concerns then was wanting a coach who could handle the playoffs. Probably you could argue Snyder isn’t exactly that but I’d really like to see this team coached by someone from a different tree who brings a different system and deployment of the talent
Ime was that coach. The Ime mess resulted in a potentially volatile situation in the locker room. Bringing in an outside presence at that point could easily have caused issues with Tatum and/or Brown that would have far more negative long-term consequences than a loss to the Heat that hasn't happened yet.
 

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On the other end I’m less sure what the answer is. I think we go through too many stretches where we go away from Tatum on offense. He doesn’t need to be doing everything every possession, but it seems like he struggles most after stretches where we go a couple minutes without getting him the ball. Even if it’s just getting the ball and dumping it off to other guys to run different plays, the offense needs to run through Tatum more often than not.
Absolutely. It took the team five minutes into the game to run a simple pick and roll for Tatum and get Love involved in an action and guess what, it worked. But the biggest story has been Caleb Martin turning into Jaylen Brown and Jaylen Brown turning into a pumpkin.
 

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Absolutely. It took the team five minutes into the game to run a simple pick and roll for Tatum and get Love involved in an action and guess what, it worked. But the biggest story has been Caleb Martin turning into Jaylen Brown and Jaylen Brown turning into a pumpkin.
Yes, the story last night was Jaylen Brown. Nothing matters if Mr. 2nd Team All-NBA shows up. He didn’t. He played like absolute shit. And now this team is nearly screwed because of it. Very disappointed in Jaylen this morning.
 

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It’s obviously not an all on the players or all on the coach situation. I’ll always blame players more. That said it’s the coaches job to put them in best position to execute and I don’t think he’s doing that. Wasn’t the primary feeling about the brogdon trade was that he was brought in almost specifically for a down the stretch situation like last night? But he barely saw the court so grant/Al/smart could all be out there.

edit: quick add - the players are making the same mistakes under joe they made under ime. But Joe is repeating the same mistakes ime made, right?
 

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I’m wondering if his hand is not doing well. I get the idea of trying to play through that stuff, but seems like one would adjust their approach and not try and jack up threes if your hand is sore.

i don’t really get the Brogdon hate some have expressed as I think he has played relatively well and had some big buckets for them. I think putting Smart back in was the potentially the wrong choice at the end last night.
 

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Joe has different and perhaps better options for the end game. He doesn't need to run Marcus out there and he doesn't have to have an ineffective Al out there. Running the same players to fail in the same fashion as previous years isn't really a box you can check in the Joe Mazzula good column. He doesn't really have the stones to make those moves and it seems he'd rather go down than make a bold move. He's not the first and won't be the last coach/manager to stick with worse options results be damned.
 

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I've been negative in this thread, but I agree. The Celtics are ludicrously more talented. If they play to their potential, they can still win this series.
For me, I don't see it. The Heat are consistently maxing out their potential. Based on what it takes to beat this Heat team one time, I don't see it happening four out of the next five games.
 

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So Keith Smith watched back the 4th, he says we doubled Butler 3 times, and all 3 led to open 3s so we stopped... we have a real problem with Jimmy, especially once they get in the bonus, best defense on him was probably in the 2nd, rotated Tatum/Grant/Brogdon, played him physical, didn't double much. We struggle to defend him 1v1 with anybody but when we double he's too good a passer and they are too good a shooting team right now. Maybe we leave Martin open next game in the 4th?
I think they should live with the fact that Butler is going to get his, but what we can't do is let them shoot the three at the high make probabilities and percentages they've been able to achieve. I think guarding the 3 point line is of greater value than trying to make sure Butler doesn't beat you.

We're losing because guys like Struss, Vincent and Robinson etc are all scoring in double figures.

Getting Bam into foul trouble would be helpful as well.
 

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I think they should live with the fact that Butler is going to get his, but what we can't do is let them shoot the three at the high make probabilities and percentages they've been able to achieve. I think guarding the 3 point line is of greater value than trying to make sure Butler doesn't beat you.

We're losing because guys like Struss, Vincent and Robinson etc are all scoring in double figures.

Getting Bam into foul trouble would be helpful as well.
We did. Unfortunately, attacking a specific player is something only other teams are capable of.
 

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I don’t see why this is evidence of much. He was a major part of the coaching staff last year too. Choosing him was trying to run it back as much as possible after Ime messed things up. I think it’s highly likely we’d be having the same conversation today had Ime stayed
He was sitting in the 2nd row this time last year. Much different this year. There’s things to quibble with when it comes to Joe, but this is a veteran group of players who shouldn’t be making the same mistakes over and over in clutch situations.
 

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This isn't a young core anymore, all of them are established vets and if they keep making the same mistakes year after year with different coaches, it's on them. Not that Mazzula is amazing, but this is the NBA. Their talent advantage over the Heat should be more than enough for coaching not to be the deciding factor.
 

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If they aren’t elite defensively Smart has lost his value, and we have White ready to take his spot. Move Smart for a 3 and D wing if we don’t pull off the miracle.
 

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This isn't a young core anymore, all of them are established vets and if they keep making the same mistakes year after year with different coaches, it's on them. Not that Mazzula is amazing, but this is the NBA. Their talent advantage over the Heat should be more than enough for coaching not to be the deciding factor.
It should have been enough in the Bucks series, and arguably the knicks series, but it wasn't. Some of the credit has to be thrown the Heat's way as well...That said, it doesn't make it any less frustrating watching the celtics repeat the mistakes that cost them last year. Question about coaching though - do you think having three different coaches in three years as the Jays enter their prime is part of the problem? Different sport but as happy as I am to have Bill O'Brien talking to Mac Jones next year, I think having a 3rd season in a row with a 3rd different OC is going to f*ck with Mac on some level.
Separately - if Butler and Tatum swapped places, I think the Celtics would still be down 2-0. But if Mazz and Spo swapped places, I'm pretty confident in saying it would be at least 1-1.

edit: you know, I think a lot of this has to do with personal opinion. as in, Im extremely frustrated the core of the team is making the same mistakes. For me, I find it MORE frustrating that Joe is letting them make those same mistakes because he trots the same guys out there. But Im certainly not going to sit here and tell someone who is more frustrated by the players that they are wrong about that.
 
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Based on how the Cs played down the stretch - often looking unworldly and then a mess in the same game - this result isn't terribly surprising.

As others have noted, the Celtics winning this series is still possible. They aren't hiring a new coach in- series and wholesale changes to the lineup/rotation are unlikely. But this group can still pull this out with the right approach - the Heat simply aren't invincible.

As for strategies, the Cs need to generate more open looks from deep. The Heat are effectively taking away the staple of the Celtics offense which allows a Butler led offense to make his game's math work in their favor.

As for defense, cleaning up some of the sloppy play is an easy fix in theory.

These games are being decided by just a few possessions. Its not inconceivable that Boston adjusts some things, cleans up their sloppiness (Cs have turned the ball over 15 times each game to Miami's 12 and 10 TOs - if they can get to par there its likely to help) and wins the series.

In short they still have the talent to beat Miami and its not like they have been getting beaten definitively. A few relatively small improvements at the margin might make a large difference in this series.
 

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I spent a lot of the second half just watching Jaylen on defense and trying to watch the ball out of the corner of my eye. To me, he played his worse off-ball defense of the playoffs and maybe worse than any game I can remember this season. I lost count somewhere around a dozen times he fucked up his assignment so bad he had his teammates pointing at him, yelling, or clapping at him. He looked drunk. Completely lost, like he skipped film sessions and practice. Many times, JT, who has incredible defensive vision, would try to cover for JB’s issues and everything would go to shit fast. It got to the point where JT was *watching* Brown probably assuming he would screw up a switch. Coach should have benched him for White for the bulk of the fourth quarter. He wasn’t good enough on offense to cover for what was happening on defense.

Other thing, Smart is a huge problem. His defense has dropped off a cliff, his passing is not nearly as sharp as it once was, and his shot choices are often poor.

Not a whole lot CJM could do with two of his starters basically being their worst versions. But he should have been playing White to make sure there was less JB and Smart in at the same time.
 

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I spent a lot of the second half just watching Jaylen on defense and trying to watch the ball out of the corner of my eye. To me, he played his worse off-ball defense of the playoffs and maybe worse than any game I can remember this season. I lost count somewhere around a dozen times he fucked up his assignment so bad he had his teammates pointing at him, yelling, or clapping at him. He looked drunk. Completely lost, like he skipped film sessions and practice. Many times, JT, who has incredible defensive vision, would try to cover for JB’s issues and everything would go to shit fast. It got to the point where JT was *watching* Brown probably assuming he would screw up a switch. Coach should have benched him for White for the bulk of the fourth quarter. He wasn’t good enough on offense to cover for what was happening on defense.

Other thing, Smart is a huge problem. His defense has dropped off a cliff, his passing is not nearly as sharp as it once was, and his shot choices are often poor.

Not a whole lot CJM could do with two of his starters basically being their worst versions. But he should have been playing White to make sure there was less JB and Smart in at the same time.
This tracks with what I was seeing as well. Is Jaylen sick or something? He was a step or two slow on almost every single play of the game and was totally blowing it on both sides of the floor. Marcus had some good stretches at least, and just wasn't out there as much. Jaylen really cost us the game, imo.
 

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I thought it was curious that the first two plays of the game featured Smart. The second one was maybe opportunistic, but wasn’t the first play likely called?
 

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Also, this isn't an excuse but its rare for players in their 20s to "drop off a cliff" in terms of athleticism/performance. Its more likely that players struggling this round or in certain games are dealing with physical issues and while its probably the case that most players have their share of maladies, all injuries aren't equal. Brown, in particular, doesn't look comfortable on the court and while the Heat have something to do with that, my guess is the elbow/hand issues are having an impact.

That said, if the C's have any shot of coming back, they have to play through whatever is hindering them. That's an inescapable fact.
 

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I think Brad overall has been a very good GM. He's made some outstanding moves (trading for Al, White, Brogdon, at minimal cost). I don't think the Muscala trade worked out, but then again, what we spent for Muscala (second-round picks) is so minimal, who cares.

I think his only significant mistake so far was extending Mazzulla prematurely. I get it: he wants to show support and love for a guy who stepped into a difficult situation, and remove uncertainty hanging over him. But the guy's a rookie coach for an elite team; he probably should have some uncertainty hanging over him. Also, Brad has built a team that is supposed to be competitive in the playoffs for the next, what, four or five years anyway? Why not see what kind of playoff coach Mazzulla is before extending him?

By the way, lest this be misconstrued: I'm not even saying Mazzulla is a bad coach, or they need a different coach. I'm just saying it was too early to extend him. I know, they can still can him after the season if they're not happy (I doubt Brad would do this on his own, but might get pressure from ownership), and it's just money down the drain. But there would be bad feelings too. I don't know why Brad didn't wait.
 

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They should dispense with the 2 big lineup and start Rob, bench Al. The benefit of that lineup is defense and neither it, not Al, are playing any defense in this series. But Rob was a key guy on offense helping Tatum run up his big third quarter last night via the pick and roll, but as the Celtics collpased down the stretch Mazzulla had him riding pine.

White should start. We're sitting here bitching about not hitting threes, while the guy who is the leading 3-point shooter on the team - in this series and in the playoffs - is playing limited minutes.

Grant should play, but should he be playing anywhere near the minutes of White and Rob? Fuck no. Also, should the Celtics be leaving him on an island one on one against Jimmy Butler in the 4th quarter? Also fuck no.

None of this is rocket science, but to Mazzulla it might as well be.
 

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It was obvious Grant could not handle Butler in iso. Just so strange to stick with that matchup. Brown, Tatum and maybe Smart are the should be assigned to him. And agree - Williams and White should have been on the floor down the final stretch.
 

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I thought it was curious that the first two plays of the game featured Smart. The second one was maybe opportunistic, but wasn’t the first play likely called?
Smart is normally really good in post-ups against smaller guards. It was probably an attempt to get him going (either with an assist or a shot) to help get back to the 1st half of Game 1.

I know that Smart sucked but, when the defense allows it, I would like to see them put him in the post. It would give the Heat something else to think about, since they are clearly trying to stop threes and lay ups.

Adjustments for Game 2:
-Play White more
-Brogdon and Brown shouldn’t share the floor much. Both of them have issues with ball watching.
-Primary defenders on Butler should be Jaylen and Smart.
-Don’t switch on defense so easily
-Have a quicker trigger with Al. If he’s not making anything to the point that he’s afraid to shoot then he either needs to roll more or not play. He’s already not a good rebounder,.
-Try and actually make adjustments in the flow of the game. Don’t cling to the pre-game plan like it’s the final lifeboat off of the Titanic
 

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https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-playoffs-eastern-conference-finals-game-2-boston-celtics-fold-miami-heat-081403058.html

A very good article by Ben Rohrbach on this series.

Two quotes:
“There is plenty of blame to go around for Friday's defeat: The stubbornness of first-year Celtics coach Joe Mazzulla, who is on his heels against veteran Heat counterpart Erik Spoelstra and publicly insists his every move is the correct one, in-game adjustments be damned; his players' failure to value every possession a year removed from that same flaw costing them a championship”

and

“At some point, you are who you are, and the Celtics have repeatedly given away playoff games in the clutch, dating back to last year's conference finals against the Heat. Miami has as much confidence in its ability to execute down the stretch of close games as it does in Boston's penchant for late-game lapses.”
 

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Brown, in particular, doesn't look comfortable on the court and while the Heat have something to do with that, my guess is the elbow/hand issues are having an impact.
Spent much of last night belieiving this to be true, wondering why no one addressed it on the game thread or elsewhere. No excuse, just an explanation for such a subpar performance.
 

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There were a number of times I thought Horford had a good look from three and he passed. I’m wondering if his confidence isn’t quite there, or maybe he’s battling some injury where he doesn’t have the feel for the three ball. There was also one play where he had the ball darn close to the basket and wasn’t able to score.

With regards to the CJM extension, the extension only costs them money. I see that more as just a cost of doing business to give your coach some feeling of security and take away the question of when the interim tag is removed. IF they think CJM is the wrong guy, they can still fire him. I doubt they gave him a huge contract.
 

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I'm curious about whether Spoelstra starts Martin game 3, he was good on both ends and Love got played off the floor in the 3rd.
 

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It was obvious Grant could not handle Butler in iso. Just so strange to stick with that matchup. Brown, Tatum and maybe Smart are the should be assigned to him. And agree - Williams and White should have been on the floor down the final stretch.
That’s what‘s criminal to me… Butler makes one bucket, okay (even if it looked too easy). A second one, I’m looking down the bench, preparing for a personnel switch. Third bucket, okay, this shit isn’t working. Butler is calling for the ball; they’re hunting the match-up. You HAVE to adjust at that point. But nope, let’s just ride it out.

I don’t know if it’s ineptitude or arrogance or arrogant ineptitude, but it’s approaching fireable malfeasance.
 

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That’s what‘s criminal to me… Butler makes one bucket, okay (even if it looked too easy). A second one, I’m looking down the bench, preparing for a personnel switch. Third bucket, okay, this shit isn’t working. Butler is calling for the ball; they’re hunting the match-up. You HAVE to adjust at that point. But nope, let’s just ride it out.

I don’t know if it’s ineptitude or arrogance or arrogant ineptitude, but it’s approaching fireable malfeasance.
So a note on this.. He did swap them, he moved Tatum onto Jimmy, but Tatum gave up the switch. No real bench options either, only guys who can even come close to guarding Jimmy were the 3 non-bigs on the floor. I do think he should have emphasized not switching on Jimmy even if it means Martin might get a 3. In particular feel like need to have Tatum go under, if Jimmy takes a 3 you live with it

Edit-actually I think the best solution is probably that except make Jaylen the primary defender. I don't know if he can guard Jimmy but on-ball is better than off for Jaylen so maybe he gets cooked too, but you have better coverage on the shooters and dare Jimmy to score 50
 

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Yes, the story last night was Jaylen Brown. Nothing matters if Mr. 2nd Team All-NBA shows up. He didn’t. He played like absolute shit. And now this team is nearly screwed because of it. Very disappointed in Jaylen this morning.
How many times does a guy with that kind of rep play so bad that it was abundantly clear the first time he went out it didn't matter if it was his rest time or not; he should have been pulled. He kind of pulled it together in the middle quarters, then tried to match Q1 in Q4.
 

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So a note on this.. He did swap them, he moved Tatum onto Jimmy, but Tatum gave up the switch. No real bench options either, only guys who can even come close to guarding Jimmy were the 3 non-bigs on the floor. I do think he should have emphasized not switching on Jimmy even if it means Martin might get a 3. In particular feel like need to have Tatum go under, if Jimmy takes a 3 you live with it

Edit-actually I think the best solution is probably that except make Jaylen the primary defender. I don't know if he can guard Jimmy but on-ball is better than off for Jaylen so maybe he gets cooked too, but you have better coverage on the shooters and dare Jimmy to score 50
Yep, I remember seeing Tatum on Butler once or twice — but that ended quickly.

I agree completely that they should have used Jaylen on Butler. Pair that with Rob out there instead of Al, so Butler has to worry about getting a shot off around the rim, and maybe you turn Butler into a 3-point shooter rather than a dude feasting on 12-15 jumpers in the lane.