Do we want that though? With White in particular I think we'd want him out there as much as possible unless he gets into foul trouble. I thought he was one of their better defenders in Game 6, to say nothing of the couple of huge threes he hit.
Celtics vs Heat ECF Redux Discussion Thread
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This article has the Red Sox as favored: https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/nlcs-game-7-analysis-st-louis-cardinals-vs-san-francisco-giants/
The odds were
| 2004 ALCS | Red Sox | Yankees | -166/+158 | -153/+145 | 37% | 10-3 BOS |
Not sure what the second to last column is referring to but both odds there have the Sox favored.
I think you're reading that wrong, I think the odds are listed as Home/Away. It's the only way the comment about the road team being only favored twice makes sense.
Aha, conveniently they have a table there with no column labels. That makes sense, thanks.
I'd like to keep them both under 40 minutes, yeah.
If Brogdon isn't completely compromised and can give you the 5-6 minutes around the quarter breaks in each half to get Smart/White down to around 37 minutes each, I think that'd be helpful in keeping them more fresh late.
All good, happens to all of us myself included. I expect your day will continue to get better as the evening approaches
Just discovered there are column labels - they are in orange so they don't show up unless one highlights them. The columns are:
| Series | Visitor | Home | Home Opener | Closing Line | Home ML % | Result |
Yeah, I think Brogdon playing is a pretty big negative unless he can actually hit threes.
If Brogdon comes back and plays like he has for the entire series (7 ppg, 33% from the field and 19% from 3) then obviously his presence isn't too helpful, especially considering that regardless of his health, he's the worst defender in the top 8. Gotta hope him being available means there's a chance he can be effective on offense. They definitely missed him in game 6:
-They were godawful from 3, and he was arguably their best 3 point shooter this year.
-Jaylen's foul trouble during the game was a major issue, and while he didn't end up missing much time, it definitely changed how aggressive he could be on defense. Having Brogdon available off the bench obviously would've taken some of the pressure off.
-Grant was awful. 1 point and 3 rebounds in 22 minutes, but Boston essentially had no choice but to play him with Brogdon out.
I think it's very likely to be a repeat of game 5 for him (0-2 and pulled after just 8 minutes with him clearly hurting), but I think it's worth a shot to keep him available, the upside is too great to ignore (far more than just grabbing a few extra minutes of rest for White/Smart).
-They were godawful from 3, and he was arguably their best 3 point shooter this year.
-Jaylen's foul trouble during the game was a major issue, and while he didn't end up missing much time, it definitely changed how aggressive he could be on defense. Having Brogdon available off the bench obviously would've taken some of the pressure off.
-Grant was awful. 1 point and 3 rebounds in 22 minutes, but Boston essentially had no choice but to play him with Brogdon out.
I think it's very likely to be a repeat of game 5 for him (0-2 and pulled after just 8 minutes with him clearly hurting), but I think it's worth a shot to keep him available, the upside is too great to ignore (far more than just grabbing a few extra minutes of rest for White/Smart).
Banners? Lots of TVs and a good place to watch the game. Trouble is, you're going to have to compete with the Garden crowd after the game gets out.
https://www.bannerskitchenandtap.com/
Thank you for the suggestion! No reservations available, but could give it a shot… looks great.
Second Banners possibly being your best shot. I'm not sure if any of the other bars/restaurants around the Garden will be letting under 21 in tonight.
I took my son (underage) to Banners for Game 5 against Philly and it was no problem. Lots of kids in there. Just need to sit at a table, not the bar, of course.Great point. The boy does not yet look old enough for a fake ID.
Per this (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2023_referees.html) it looks like they were 0-5, not 0-10. And that the C's were 5-1, not 7-2. I'm not sure where the discrepancy comes from though.
More generally though, MIA all time is 62-51 with Brothers, while BOS is 64-51. And in the playoffs, BOS is 7-17, while MIA is 17-10. (https://www.basketball-reference.com/referees/brothto99r.html#all_refs-summary). There's nothing to it.
An advantage of Brogdon being available is that he might be better chew-up-a-few-minutes bench option than Grant if Grant has another terrible game. Joe needs to have a quick hook on Brogdon, though.
I'm pretty sure that's covered by the rule prohibiting a player from passing the ball to himself. Which Butler has also done this series...
this story is really picking up some life. Have to imagine it will reach the Celtics. Bad karma/mojo for a team already reeling
I expect that Brogdon is just there to give Marcus and White a little more rest.
I mean it’s a nothingburger since if the Heat lose they have no immediate plans regardless. Practically speaking you make the plans for Denver and cancel if you have to.
Brogdon can in theory help keep their turnover rate low as a backup PG (though that wasn't the case earlier in this series). Just getting a few competent minutes each half, which includes not shooting if his arms not feeling healthy, could be key just to get White + Smart a little bit of rest.
Shooting variance was a huge story from g6, but the Celtics need to clean up their 3 pt defense. In the first half they gave up 5-6 wide open 3's to good shooters mostly as a result of mis-communications:
View: https://youtu.be/0buSm0LWrWM?t=21
View: https://youtu.be/0buSm0LWrWM?t=87
View: https://youtu.be/0buSm0LWrWM?t=100
View: https://youtu.be/0buSm0LWrWM?t=132
View: https://youtu.be/0buSm0LWrWM?t=171
The last 2 especially were pretty egregious. Hope they can clean this up before tn.
Shooting variance was a huge story from g6, but the Celtics need to clean up their 3 pt defense. In the first half they gave up 5-6 wide open 3's to good shooters mostly as a result of mis-communications:
View: https://youtu.be/0buSm0LWrWM?t=21
View: https://youtu.be/0buSm0LWrWM?t=87
View: https://youtu.be/0buSm0LWrWM?t=100
View: https://youtu.be/0buSm0LWrWM?t=132
View: https://youtu.be/0buSm0LWrWM?t=171
The last 2 especially were pretty egregious. Hope they can clean this up before tn.
FYI - you are allowed to take the ball (if you haven't dribbled yet) and toss it down the court, and after it bounces, pick it up, and then shoot it. Or, if you threw the ball with one hand, you can gather the ball after it's bounced with one hand in a dribbling motion (you know how some people "gather" a loose ball by dribbling it instead of grabbing it THEN dribbling it?). That's all legal.
What you can't do is toss it downcourt, then grab it with both hands and start dribbling again.
Bubble Boy is back going over the Celtic's last 4 minutes
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luU0xj-Hqdk
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luU0xj-Hqdk
You’re 100% right but when it comes to motivation/bulletin board material, logic is thrown out of the window most of the time.
I would have liked to see this game played out with Tatum 100%. It just cascaded down to Brown needing to ball handle more and... we saw what happened.
Brad has another tough summer ahead.
Brad has another tough summer ahead.
We’ve struggled on the good threes, but we’re taking so many bad threes too. Every time they just walk up and hoist one without even a pass, my soul dies a little.
I feel like the hoists though are a sympytom of Tatum not being able to create anything.
I haven’t criticized Coach Joe very much but at some point you can’t just shoot your way out of these kinds of slumps. Try and work some different action. I don’t know.
I think looking back on this game with time the Tatum injury is going to be the dominant thread, but I'm really holding it in right now. I'm so mad and disappointed with tonight's performance and the overall trajectory of this team.
A) Brogdon getting 7 straight minutes of run in the first half was 7 minutes too much.
B) D. White was the ONLY guy who realized the magnitude of the JT injury and took it upon himself to try and create more offense. Everyone else just stayed within their current role and did not go above and beyond.
C) Cs let the Heat dictate the pace from the jump. Next to zero run outs and fast break attempts.
B) D. White was the ONLY guy who realized the magnitude of the JT injury and took it upon himself to try and create more offense. Everyone else just stayed within their current role and did not go above and beyond.
C) Cs let the Heat dictate the pace from the jump. Next to zero run outs and fast break attempts.
Credit to Miami for overcoming a crushing loss and making sure they did not end up as a historical note.
The Celtics could use a little of their resilience. Fuck.
The Celtics could use a little of their resilience. Fuck.
Even watching Joe in the press conference, moment is just so too big for him.
Wyc is a smart businessman - can't imagine he's going to write the checks he's going to need to with that guy running the show. You don't put real coaches around a figurehead. You get a real leader.
Wyc is a smart businessman - can't imagine he's going to write the checks he's going to need to with that guy running the show. You don't put real coaches around a figurehead. You get a real leader.
This was the game in a nutshell. Was Tatum affected by the ankle, especially on D? Yeah, but moreso in the second half, and there weren't too many plays he gave up. Was the reffing off a bit at times? Sure. But none of that added up to a 19 point deficit. It was entirely the 3 point shooting. Was the same in Game 6, but somehow we got away with it. I said at the time, we weren't going to shoot 7 for 35 from deep again. But God help me, we somehow shot worse. Same % roughly but on even higher volume.
I dunno what happened to our 3s. Maybe it was Brogdon out. Jaylen certainly didn't look to catch and shoot his 3s, very tentative when catching it beyond the arc. Maybe theirs were wide open more and ours were locked down and taken with hands in the face. I dunno, I can't think straight right now. But with a more even performance from 3, that game is a lot closer and other things can start to matter. As it was, there's no real story here other than the 3s.
Just ran this on Stathead.
This year three teams shot at least 70 3PA in a 2-game span and made less than 21% of them. Those teams went 1-5 combined in those games.
The Celtics haven't *had* a 2-game span like this in team history -- except in the 2018-19 playoffs in two of those games in the Bucks series.
https://stathead.com/tiny/ctchI