Celtics Training Camp Thread

DrewDawg

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Got a few weeks yet, but some news today:

View: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1169682650006773767


He's a 6'8 SF, who went pro after his junior year at Xavier (2018), after averaging 7.2 points and 4.6 boards. He hit 37.8% of his threes. He went undrafted, got some Summer League run with Bulls, averaging 6.7 points. He played with the Windy City Bulls in the G-League, averaging around 12 points and 6 rebounds.

 

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I was fortunate(?) enough to be a part of the Windy City Bulls last season as their play by play team and I was able to watch Kaiser for about 20-25 games last season. Solid outside shooter, good defender, good rebounder for someone with his lack of bulk.
 

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I was fortunate(?) enough to be a part of the Windy City Bulls last season as their play by play team and I was able to watch Kaiser for about 20-25 games last season. Solid outside shooter, good defender, good rebounder for someone with his lack of bulk.
Yes but he might be competing with Tacko Fall!!!!

EDIT: Honestly, SoSH is everywhere.
 

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Tangential, maybe, but Bob Ryan did a podcast with Doc Rivers and Brad Stevens that came out today and it's got some thoughts about the upcoming year.

View: https://bobryanbostonpodcast.libsyn.com/season-5-episode-4-together-in-private-with-bob-ryan-doc-rivers-and-brad-stevens-contrast-liken-and-admire
that was podcast porn

here is the latest Brad interview:
 
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Tacko Fall was at Mohegan Sun last night to watch the CT Sun game. My takeaway......he’s not (Purvis) short.
 

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The knock on Young always revolved around mental toughness and motivation. Those are not Langford’s problems, thank god. (Shooting, on the other hand...)

I thought he was back to shooting with the good hand

.....I’m here all week, Kropotkin
 

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The knock on Young always revolved around mental toughness and motivation.
Also talent. That was also a problem. He was a not-very-productive player at Kentucky, without top tier athleticism or exceptional feel for the game. The main thing he had going for him was being exceptionally young.
 

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Also talent. That was also a problem. He was a not-very-productive player at Kentucky, without top tier athleticism or exceptional feel for the game. The main thing he had going for him was being exceptionally young.
Hey bowiac, off topic but will you be posting your updated Season Total Models? I'm like that groupie who waits all year for these. I have a couple sides I like a lot with some compelling reasons for others. Love this time of year!!
 

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Hey bowiac, off topic but will you be posting your updated Season Total Models? I'm like that groupie who waits all year for these. I have a couple sides I like a lot with some compelling reasons for others. Love this time of year!!
I will be, but it might take a couple weeks. I have been involved in a pretty massive project for the last couple months to build a entirely new player projections from the ground up (which I've detailed here on Twitter). Think of these as PECOTA for baseball, where I will be projecting every box-score component for every player, and will be updating those projections as appropriate after every game. From early testing, these projections outperform every public system I've tested for box-score projections (e.g., Basketball Monster, Daily Roto, those sites).

Anyway, as far as win projections go, using these box-score projections in concert with plus/minus (and projected plus/minus data), I think I should be able to improve on any player valuation metric in the public domain, which in turn will feed into win projections. This has taken a lot of time to code however, and simply fitting the model takes my computer ~80-100 hours of processing time, so it's somewhat slow going, but I will have something.
 

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I will be, but it might take a couple weeks. I have been involved in a pretty massive project for the last couple months to build a entirely new player projections from the ground up (which I've detailed here on Twitter). Think of these as PECOTA for baseball, where I will be projecting every box-score component for every player, and will be updating those projections as appropriate after every game. From early testing, these projections outperform every public system I've tested for box-score projections (e.g., Basketball Monster, Daily Roto, those sites).

Anyway, as far as win projections go, using these box-score projections in concert with plus/minus (and projected plus/minus data), I think I should be able to improve on any player valuation metric in the public domain, which in turn will feed into win projections. This has taken a lot of time to code however, and simply fitting the model takes my computer ~80-100 hours of processing time, so it's somewhat slow going, but I will have something.
Nice! I'll follow over there. I know I'm initially bearish on the Warriors and Blazers while bullish on Magic. Numbers have been out and adjusted for awhile now I don't know why I am getting such a late start this year.
 

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Nice! I'll follow over there. I know I'm initially bearish on the Warriors and Blazers while bullish on Magic. Numbers have been out and adjusted for awhile now I don't know why I am getting such a late start this year.
Yeah - at this this point, I would not be eager to bet any of the lines, as they've all been hammered pretty good to a pretty efficient spot. There is a lot of value in preseason data however, so there will be another good spot later in the year.
 

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Also talent. That was also a problem. He was a not-very-productive player at Kentucky, without top tier athleticism or exceptional feel for the game. The main thing he had going for him was being exceptionally young.
Yeah, call him the proto-Cam Reddish. He had skills but the production never matched the skills, which was a red flag. But I don’t think that sort of cruising is in Langford’s DNA. With Langford you’re just betting on someone being able to fix the shooting form. (Which, to be sure, was why I wasn’t wild about him coming into the draft and still skeptical about now.)
 

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I will be, but it might take a couple weeks. I have been involved in a pretty massive project for the last couple months to build a entirely new player projections from the ground up (which I've detailed here on Twitter). Think of these as PECOTA for baseball, where I will be projecting every box-score component for every player, and will be updating those projections as appropriate after every game. From early testing, these projections outperform every public system I've tested for box-score projections (e.g., Basketball Monster, Daily Roto, those sites).

Anyway, as far as win projections go, using these box-score projections in concert with plus/minus (and projected plus/minus data), I think I should be able to improve on any player valuation metric in the public domain, which in turn will feed into win projections. This has taken a lot of time to code however, and simply fitting the model takes my computer ~80-100 hours of processing time, so it's somewhat slow going, but I will have something.
Wow just read your twitter thread that sounds amazing.
 

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Wow just read your twitter thread that sounds amazing.
Thanks. The idea is to fill a pretty major gap in NBA projections, where there's nothing like Steamer, ZiPS, PECOTA available, while also solving the "in-season updating" issue in a rigorous manner (Steamer and ZiPS both do it back of the envelope; I'm less confident in what PECOTA does).
 

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Thanks. The idea is to fill a pretty major gap in NBA projections, where there's nothing like Steamer, ZiPS, PECOTA available, while also solving the "in-season updating" issue in a rigorous manner (Steamer and ZiPS both do it back of the envelope; I'm less confident in what PECOTA does).
The real question we all want to know is how DeMar DeRozan will rate in these new projections.
 

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Yeah, call him the proto-Cam Reddish. He had skills but the production never matched the skills, which was a red flag. But I don’t think that sort of cruising is in Langford’s DNA. With Langford you’re just betting on someone being able to fix the shooting form. (Which, to be sure, was why I wasn’t wild about him coming into the draft and still skeptical about now.)
if you care, there's an instagram video showing Langford shooting one shot from earlier this month (so sample size couldn't be smaller!): View: https://streamable.com/4ijwg
 

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Yeah, I mean Langford clearly isn't in that Young/Reddish territory. He produced, he played hard, he just shot like shit. If Boston's coaching staff can fix the shooting motion, he could be a heck of a player with his length and quickness. I like seeing any shot he takes where that unsynched pause at the top of his shooting motion is absent.
 

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In what world is Poirier a better player than Kanter?
Agree, Kanter is and will probably be better this season.

Just guessing here, SINCE the clip was showing Poirier getting dunked on by Tacko, he probably meant Poirier is a better defender than Kanter???

Scouts Honor is usually somewhat entertaining but can go off the deep end.
 

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That's a good piece. I don't have any expectations for Langford this year except to hear about how hard he's working. He shouldn't get a lot of minutes, since they're deep at wing.

That they drafted a more developed tall wing/short big and a small shooting guard below him is irrelevant to his development. Those guys are closer and will be decent depth pieces. And the Cs can take their time with Romeo. There is no rush.

Rewiring your shot must be a bitch. Not having the pressure to produce immediately should help.
 

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Yeah...as I heard on some podcast or saw on twitter, he's going to have some 2-12 shooting nights and it'll be easier for him to deal with that in Maine.