I think it is referred to as seasonal affective disorder. These are the dog days of the Celtics off-season when pissing contests, sniping and shit posting become common.
then I have no idea what you're talking about
No, but we also shouldn’t be using injury numbers in evaluating where a player’s at unless the injury is chronic. It’s completely fair where we’re discussing someone like Leonard because he has a chronic injury that will impact his performance for the remainder of his career. This probably also applies to Jaylen due to age and the fact that he’s going to be limited in his ability to grow his game this summer (thanks to the injury).
Given your track record on predictions you should probably just keep your head down and pray that no one searches your posts.
Next season I see Tatum as probably ahead of Embiid, Harden, Davis, Dame, probably CP3 too. Is that a homer take?
And you shouldn’t be. Because you’d be dead wrong. And you won’t see me making the argument that PKB did, which is why I openly mocked it.
Barring injuries don't see him overtaking Embiid next season.
There was no point in the 20-21 season when Tatum was an elite defensive player though, not pre covid and not far enough post covid
Yeah, also the "no, you're the homer!" trope needs to die. It's a cheap way to discount opposing viewpoints that are more bullish on a given Celtics player.
He was actually a pretty good defensive player pre-covid as well as in April. After Brown went down for the season the bottom fell out of Boston’s D, but that was hardly Tatum’s fault.
Exactly. Tatum is a top 15 player. I think we all agree on that.
Let's see how he does over his next 40 games, and we can peruse that list again.
Well if you want to be super pedantic about it, since JT isn't playing, the only real way to measure whether he's a "Top 10 player now" is to determine his value, and if you agree that he's a top 10 "asset" then maybe you're closer to agreeing with Ben Hogan than you think.
Well, if you want to be pedantic none of them are playing RIGHT PRECISELY NOW so I guess I'm not sure what you're trying to do there. Though I fear you are not living your own advice about trying to figure out the point being made.
I really hope Langford is on the team as well. He's a little old for summer league but with both of his seasons affected by Covid and injuries he'd likely gain a lot from the experience. It would also give him a chance to facilitate the offense more which it looked like Brad was hopeful he could do towards the end of last season.
Do they still do those trade value rankings anywhere? It was always an interesting hypothetical.
I wonder if one could create a formula that could quantify this somehow.
He outplayed Embiid in the bubble playoffs just one year ago, and by a good margin. I don't think it's all that unrealistic to expect Tatum to overtake Embiid. And, to be fair, Tatum got schooled big time by Butler in the subsequent series, but Tatum had a better season than Butler did this past year, despite the All-NBA balloting quirks.
The reality is that two way wings are inherently more valuable than bigs and smalls. So when I compare non-covid JayTay with someone like Damian Lillard I see that Lillard is a slightly more efficient scorer. But that marginal increase in scoring efficiency comes at the expense of positional flexibility and defense. Prime Steph Curry shatters that by being absurdly efficient on offense for a small. As much as I love Dame, he ain’t prime Curry.
I’m kind of surprised that you’ve taken this position. When you’ve responded to my posts before you look at the language and phrasing used and respond based off of that. I could argue it was pedantic, and a few of them I would say that, but it’s a message board and the syntax is basically all we have to go off of.
That's a weird take given he's younger than Aaron Nesmith, Moses Brown and Payton Pritchard.
Add me to the list of people excited to see all of these guys in summer league. Low leverage ball opportunities, especially considering our early exit this year, will be good for them.
I didn't say playing right now, I said if you needed someone to play right now, maybe JT would be in the top 10.
. . . which is that one of my pet peeves is when people complain about how people post. This is a message board, not a place of business. We're all here for about the same reason - entertainment and maybe to learn some things. Most of us barely proof-read our posts, much less really take the time to dissect them. So when someone says that "sloppy drafting" is causing issues, maybe I get oversensitive.
No, we’re just ignoring February when he was openly lagging on the court due to covid. It's not like the rest of the season featured him shooting over his career norms. If anything his shooting results were less than you would expect. The big change was in FTA. As he got his bounce back he was playing through contact on drives, and getting foul calls as a result. That's not going to stop any time soon. He's only getting better.
Sure, he probably will, but his last year he was not a top 10 player, I don't think there is even a borderline case for it, he was a very good/elite offensive player and a mediocre or worse defender. We can excuse a chunk for COVID and that won't change it. Tatum has not put up a top 10 player type season yet, I don't see a justification for calling him a top 10 player until he actually plays for a consistent season as one.
You in fact said "isn't playing" so again, the words really do matter on a message board.
It's a no for me. These awards are determined by voting which means I would have to respect the voters to value them (which I don't).
Well you can assume 100% health at your peril.
