Can you describe a time when this has happened with a restricted free agent? Particularly RFAs that the teams want to keep? It sounds good in theory but I can't think of examples. I feel like Bogdan and Brogdon were both superfluous (mistakenly) on their old teams, so there wasn't as much incentive to match the RFA offers. Lonzo with good shooting is the perfect fit next to Zion - if someone drops a rich contract on his lap, isn't it more likely the Pelicans match it and dump bad salary elsewhere?
Except that he's not just playing next to Zion, and the other guy he's playing next to is also ball dominant. If you're the Pelicans your tertiary ball handler might be worth Marcus Smart money, but is he worth Jaylen Brown money?
And yet the Hawks also had him on the market this year because he will 100% guaranteed get a max offer and they may be hesitant to pay him that much.
I'm not sure what point you think you're making here, but it's wrong. Anunoby never reached free agency (like Tatum he signed an early extension) and Ingram signed a max extension.
You're right, I got Anunoby wrong, but Ingram signed a max as a RFA. My point is that teams don't commonly chase after RFAs because they know RFAs don't typically leave their current teams.
I loved the Houston deal last Summer when they landed RFA Christian Wood in an S&T with Troy Weaver.
The problem with signing these guys to offer sheets is that FA movement is fast and furious the minute the gates open. If you tie up your space in a RFA you’re essentially shut out from everyone else while still possibly having his previous team match. Nothing more embarassing for a GM to have an offer matched after a couple days while everyone else is snatched up. It’s a real bad look and GM’s without great job security doesn’t want to have this bad look.I loved the Houston deal last Summer when they landed RFA Christian Wood in an S&T with Troy Weaver.
I could see Atlanta and/or NOP, getting a pick/player in a S&T from a team like the Knicks
Teams have money to spend, not many UFAs. RFA is a good place for GMs to hunt with less than desirable locations (ex LA/Miami). These young players just want to finally get paid, less demanding about location...GMs should kick the tires on (via agents & GMs w/rights) these 2021 RFA: Collins, Ball, Allen, Monk, Markkanen, Trent Jr., Hart, Graham, Brown, Diallo, Duncan Robinson, Nunn, Terrence Davis, Ntilinka, and Max Strus
I realize the Celtics/Danny are boxed out (or would have to move Kemba/TT) and most teams plan to retain their RFAs. Maybe the lack of UFA leads some GM to pine for our ex-All Star PG
Yea a deal would have to be in place before putting the offer in. I know that's illegal but it's done
You mean a sign n trade? I was referring to someone whose team may not want to lose him. Rather than overpay, which is what they would likely need to do prior to the FA period, they may allow the market to set itself with the hopes a team won’t jump in due to not wanting to tie up their space with all of the uncertainty.
yep S&T. By letting a player reach RFA the team has started to dance around that player.
Not necessarily as RFA generally don’t attract multiple suitors for the reasons mentioned above. What is the benefit of say Atlanta or NO signing Collins or Ball to a max deal prior to entering RFA? The existing team has all the leverage in this case if they want the player but may want to wait it out to save $20-30m or whatever.
Of course, NOP waits if they are queasy paying big $$$ to Lonzo.
Fultz and Harris is the best offer I've seen for Kemba. I have no idea if it's a realistic offer but in that regard, I would take Fultz.
Tbh pretty much any deal that splits Kemba into multiple salary chunks, with one of those chunks being a rotation player, is a good deal imo.
It depends on the player. If Atlanta lets the market set the price it will be a 4 year max with lower raises. And that just may be what the Hawks want (as the Jazz did with Gordo). Sometimes for teams making the offer it's just about future good will with the agents and player (as the Hornets did with Gordo).
Not sure what point is trying to be made other than he wants to run everything back, which is fine. But . . . .
The idea would be to add rotational pieces to fill Kemba's salary slot, so you wouldn't lose it. BUT He's going to be next to impossible to move, so I wouldn't hold my breath on it.
I think "shaking up the team" for the sake of doing that is almost always a mistake. is there a team out there that values Marcus highly enough to offer a player whio is better? I doubt it. In his article, Karalis had this to say about Smart:
I wouldn't call him untouchable, but I am not looking to trade him for a spot up shooting wing who brings little else in the way of value... whereas I think many who post here would be extatic to see such a deal.
Karalis on Fournier:
My working assumption is that he's not moveable and will be back.
This is a great list.
It never really sucks to trade two second round picks that are 4 and 6 years out for a guy. Even if he leaves, it would have been worth it, IMO
Yeah, arguably one of the flaws in roster construction here (besides the obvious of having stars walk for essentially nothing) has been a tendency to look for only MASSIVE upgrades and not take the smallish ones.
Sneaky name I forgot.... Klay Thompson hasn't played an NBA game in 2 years... he still has 3 years $121.8M left, who knows what type of player he is when he comes back.
Kicking the TPE barrel down the road is the most likely scenario unless Ainge is under immense pressure from Wyc & Co to make a bold move.
If they lose Fournier in FA because he wants the opportunity to start and Kemba is blocking that spot.....man, that would be brutal. I think, combined with everything else the past couple years, that you probably seriously consider firing Ainge at that point. To be clear, it's mostly because of the other stuff, but you just can't bleed talent like that for dumb reasons.
It is Smart and Jaylens presence that would save Danny from himself in signing Fournier to a contract we’d quickly regret. I mean, why wouldn’t Fournier want to be paid starter money by a bottom feeder than return here for complementary dollars? Unless you are advocating paying him starters money to play a complementary role as his foot speed further declines during this new contract. I didn’t want to see him when he had the ability to move his feet defensively I sure as heck don’t want to see him in 2-3 and 4 years. Sayonara and go CTC elsewhere.
This summer should be about these things and these things only:
The only part of this that makes ense is that if there is an opportunity to separate themslves from Walker, they should take it.
Fournier is going to be way too expensive to keep and I don't think he is going to age well. I have been an advocate to move on from Smart for a while now so I'm not "hating" on him.
The thing is, we've seen lots of times now that the Celtics look better with shooting/secondary playmaking wings like Fournier than they do with Walker, even when healthy.
Yeah, I think you pay him, probably getting a significant discount due to injuries, and gamble on the fact that someone would always gamble on him in a trade if the number is low enough, because his talent is so ridiculous.
Explore trades or let him walk for nothing after next year unless he stays healthy the entire season.
Bringing back the same exact roster (ignoring the 13th through 15th spots and the 2-ways) should get Ainge fired given the expected player movement this offseason. Yeah, there are some hard decisions, and some players will be more difficult to trade than others. But that is why he is GM: to make those difficult moves.
Semi is a FA after this year. They aren't bringing him back. At least I really hope not. So it's really top 11 that he needs to mix up.
Which means there's zero excuse for not upgrading that particular roster spot. That's an extremely low bar, no matter what the Semi apologists claim.
