Celtics Plan, Summer 2021

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What are you paying some team to take Dunn back into cap space, especially this late in the offseason? Teams are going to be asking for a late first.
 

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What are you paying some team to take Dunn back into cap space, especially this late in the offseason? Teams are going to be asking for a late first.
Nah. The Celtics gave up 16 to rid of like $40m of Kemba, Utah gave up a low 1st for Favors remaining $20. Dunn is only one year of $5m......you can add like half of that with the much-traveled “cash considerations” and our mid to low 2nd if Schroeder balks at the $5.9m taxpayer MLE.
 

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Aside from filling a need, the two best years of Schroeder’s career have been in prove-it years following a disappointing one (I’m calling last years Lakers season as one for him which is being reflected in his lack of demand) which is one of the reasons I’m pro-Schro for this team this year. Being in a contract year would be a good thing for us.
That certainly weighs in favor of signing him to a one year deal. But I worry about any player who pulls a Jody Reed (turn down lots of guaranteed money and then have to settle for much less). I heard that Schroeder is a FA right now because he turned down $84M from the Lakers.
 

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This is the concern with Schroeder, right? On a one-year deal, he'll be about himself.
I think the idea is that he'll actually be on his best behavior because that's his route to get paid, not empty stats. Teams already know he can put up #s & be disruptive.
 

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Why doesn't IT go to China and live like a king for 5-10 years? That being said, the guy deserves a bit more credit than some of you guys are giving IMO. He didn't get any shorter since he scored 27ppg a few years ago.

For Schroeder, I hope we don't offer the full MLE. He's OK at the 5.9M. At that price, if he is disrupting the team chemistry they can just send him home and eat the money.
 

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Why doesn't IT go to China and live like a king for 5-10 years? That being said, the guy deserves a bit more credit than some of you guys are giving IMO. He didn't get any shorter since he scored 27ppg a few years ago.
He did get 5 years older and more injured though.
 

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Why doesn't IT go to China and live like a king for 5-10 years? That being said, the guy deserves a bit more credit than some of you guys are giving IMO. He didn't get any shorter since he scored 27ppg a few years ago.

For Schroeder, I hope we don't offer the full MLE. He's OK at the 5.9M. At that price, if he is disrupting the team chemistry they can just send him home and eat the money.
IT got a lot slower and less agile, less explosive jumping as well. Small guys live on the fringes because they need to be elite at the other areas of athleticism to survive.

As to Schroder, at 9.5M he's probably still a bargain and not an issue in himself, the problem is the hard cap.

I do agree the Celtics should hold at $5.9M and make it a decision for him if he's looking for role or money this year. Schroder is good, he'd walk into most or all of Kemba's minutes, and playing 20MPG+ on a playoff caliber team is a good way to build value, and next year is a thinner FA crop.
 

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IT got a lot slower and less agile, less explosive jumping as well. Small guys live on the fringes because they need to be elite at the other areas of athleticism to survive.

As to Schroder, at 9.5M he's probably still a bargain and not an issue in himself, the problem is the hard cap.

I do agree the Celtics should hold at $5.9M and make it a decision for him if he's looking for role or money this year. Schroder is good, he'd walk into most or all of Kemba's minutes, and playing 20MPG+ on a playoff caliber team is a good way to build value, and next year is a thinner FA crop.
I haven't noticed he's slowed down, but to be fair I don't think I have watched him play a complete game in over a year. I will defer to you and the rest of the guys. I don't want him on the C's - I am done with novelty end of bench guys (sorry Tacko).
 

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BOS was hard-capped last year as well. Is it really that big of a concern?
It is if you want to trade for a star like Beal, the Celtics are going to be right up on the hard cap even with trades to get space for Schroder. If makes matching in a trade very difficult. Also makes it hard to do things like sign a buyout.
 

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Would schroder do something dumb like take $10 or 15 mill for one year in Europe?

Would be a short term windfall but would take him completely off the radar for NBA teams?
 

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Would schroder do something dumb like take $10 or 15 mill for one year in Europe?

Would be a short term windfall but would take him completely off the radar for NBA teams?
The highest paid guys in Europe get about $4 million.
 

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from wikipedia
am thinking Okulaja won't be expanding his client base (though, just to be clear -- this is on Schroder, who frankly seems like a hard-headed sort).

That said, if the Celtics can get him at $6 million, that's a steal.
Do not believe that is accurate anymore. Hoopshype has with him Octagon (same agency as Giannis, Bam, Steph and many others), and he is still on the player roster on their website. That's an agency with clout. If they told him to take the deal and Schroder chose to bet on himself, that will surely be common knowledge around the league.

In terms of timing, not a shock that it would take some time for Schroder to get his head around what his options really are at this point. Even when the rational thing to do is crystal clear, anchoring has a powerful effect on the psyche.
 

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Yeah, Wiki lists the German guy, but seems inaccurate or outdated.

According to Real GM, Okulaja has 8 clients who I've never heard of. 5 aren't on teams, & then he has a player each on:

Giessen 46ers
Ratiopharm Ulm
Fraport Skyliners
 

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Anyone else out there worth the 5.9 mill exception?

Anyone else out there worth using as leverage to gently nudge Shroder to make a call?

"Celtics have reached out to X about their MLE, although Shroder remains their first choice"
 
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Anyone else out there worth the 5.9 mill exception?

Anyone else out there worth using as leverage to gently nudge Shroder to make a call?

"Celtics have reached out to X about their MLE, although Shroder remains their first choice"
The next best people like Hart & Lauri are RFAs.

Then you get into the Millsap/Cousins/Ennis/Svi/AB/Redick tier.

The best available PGs are probably like Exum & DSJ. So....no? But kinda.
 

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I wonder what's next. This offseason kind of sucked but with Schroder just falling in our laps it's not so bad.
 

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closes the door on Madar as well, he was almost certainly getting stashed anyway, but now it's for sure
 

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closes the door on Madar as well, he was almost certainly getting stashed anyway, but now it's for sure
That Yam is clearly so intent on getting to the NBA means he'll work that much harder to make the C's roster in 2022-23.
 

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Is this where we are at:

Schroder, Richardson, PP

Smart, Romeo

Brown, Nesmith

Tatum, Grant

Timelord, Al, Kanter

????????

Dunn, Bruno, Kornet
 

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Possibly neither. Roster is at 15 guaranteed contracts without Jabrari, so they need to clear a spot if they want to pickup his non-guaranteed contract. Landing Carsen/
Brüno into some other team's cap would be a nice cap to the offseason.
Based on what he's shown tonite, I'd like to keep Bruno around for a while.
 

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I’d start Smart/Nesmith/Jaylen/Tatum/Rob, with a bench of PP/Schroder/Richardson/Al, and Romeo/Kanter mixed in.

I think Dunn, Fernando, and Grant will be dumped.
 

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I’d start Smart/Nesmith/Jaylen/Tatum/Rob, with a bench of PP/Schroder/Richardson/Al, and Romeo/Kanter mixed in.

I think Dunn, Fernando, and Grant will be dumped.
I think we may see quite a few different starting lineups until they find one they like.

Obviously Brown and Tatum are in all combinations, but I could see Smart/Richardson, Shroder/Smart, Smart/Nesmith backcourt, with either Horford or TL at the 5
 

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How much will they save by cutting Parker? Do they duck under the tax?
Looks like they are under currently

2021-22 Luxury Tax Totals

Denotes the Celtics current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).

2021 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $136,606,000
Total Taxable Salaries $135,655,380
Current Luxury Tax Space $950,620
 
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Man....you all continue to be miles ahead of me re Nesmith.

He's still coming off my bench at best
It brings better balance to the starting lineup, and the bench. He shot 37% from three last year, even after his rough start, and shot 46/39 in the second half. I’m extremely bullish on him, buy all the Nesmith stock that you can.

His shooting will make the Jays lives easier, and you get more from him because he will be open quite a bit. Schroder isn’t a very good outside shooter, and Richardson is more of an on ball guy, as chilidawg said.
 

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As moops noted they are just under, but only 100k of his 2.3m is guaranteed so believe they would save 2.2m cutting Parker on vet minimum.
One thing to remember is luxury tax is only calculated at the end of the year. So even if they stay this close, it doesn't preclude another move now, assuming they think they could get under by years end
 

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It brings better balance to the starting lineup, and the bench. He shot 37% from three last year, even after his rough start, and shot 46/39 in the second half. I’m extremely bullish on him, buy all the Nesmith stock that you can.
The thing is that his defense is what earned him playing time last season. His offense was good as you noted but his D has almost equal upside. He is pretty versatile too. You are smart to buy with both hands.
 

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The thing is that his defense is what earned him playing time last season. His offense was good as you noted but his D has almost equal upside. He is pretty versatile too. You are smart to buy with both hands.
He'll get to fight for minutes with RL and Kris Dunn (assuming he's still around to start the season), which will only make him just as hungry as he was last year. And if one of the slender-man crew goes down, he'll get breakthrough minutes. Regardless, I imagine that he'll beat out Langford for the last 12-15 minutes from the bench because he offers something the team needs: an excellent sharpshooter. If he handles those minutes well and Smart goes for Beal and picks next year and Richardson walks, he'll be able slot right in to those minutes.

It's wonderful to look at this team and see how much depth there is now, and how deep defensively they are. There isn't a guy on the team who's an open mismatch except Pritchard. Schroder and Smart are going to wear teams out. If a few guys go down, you've still got freakishly lengthy guys like Langford to step in. Kanter and G Williams offer two different looks.

This will be a really fun team to watch on offense, to. With Schroder-Smart-Brown-Tatum-Horford, you're already potentially looking at 20+ assists. Between Pritchard, Richardson, and TL, you probably have another 6-7. That could end up being near the top of the league. Last year it was just 23.5, a miserable number.
 

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Brad has done an amazing job rebuilding the bench without many assets to work with.. They're a legitimate 11 deep right now without even counting Dunn or Grant, which means if they can find a way to make a midseason trade for a 3rd star they don't have to gut the team to do it, even moving 3 or 4 guys they'd still be ok.

It's going to be fascinating to see how Udoka tries to find time and shots for all of Smart Schroder Richardson Nesmith and Langford
 

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I know I’ll probably flip flop on this 50 times but feels like Brad Stevens has done a stellar job crafting a playoff competitive team while also gaining significant salary flexibility for 2022.