Celtics Offseason 2024 - Wake Me Up When September Ends

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We have a League offseason thread, we have threads about our key players, we have an olympics thread, and lots of threads in the wake of celebrating last season... but there are going to be rumors and news about our team as the league scurries away to vacation and the business of the league proceeds to cook between now and the start of next season. So let's have a thread about the near future.

To kick it off, let's summarize what we expect to see from Brad, Zarren and co, now that he can't just sit around eating popcorn and watching a hundred games.

(1) Tatum supermax extension. He didn't sign it in the locker room during the celebration, but he could have. It won't be long now. I hope he won't insist on a bunch of non-financial terms in his favor - Brown allowing the last year to be guaranteed rather than a player option is helpful, etc.

(2) White extension. He's eligible for 4 / $125.9M tacked on after next year (cap hit: $20.1M), which is $31.5M AAV, plus performance bonuses which amount to another $1.3-1.8M per year (a growth of his existing terms). We all hope he takes it. If he rides out his next year without signing an extension, he will hit free agency, where he could get up to a 30% max contract (although I doubt a team would give him the full 5 yrs / $270M that he could theoretically get, and that Brunson might well seek the same way). He should make sure his next deal includes a cadillac dental plan.

(3) Sam Hauser. He has a club option for $2.1M next season. He had a great-shooting regular season, a rough first few playoff series, and then a pretty good performance in the Finals (I think we'd call 48% from 3 acceptable, no?). As posted by @DGreenwood in the White thread, Bobby Marks offered a prediction that we'd be comfortable keeping Hauser "maybe at 6 or 7 million dollars".

Hollinger thinks Sam will agree to terms: "In addition to Tatum, I’m hearing it’s very likely that Sam Hauser and Derrick White will join [Holiday and Pritchard in signing extensions]. Hauser has one year left for the minimum, on a team option, and will be extension-eligible this summer; he’s about to get more expensive, but Boston sees him as a keeper. One possible cap shenanigan would be to decline Hauser’s team option for 2024-25 and re-sign him for lower money and more years than in an extension that started in 2025-26. Doing so would increase the Celtics’ tax penalty in 2024-25 but lessen the impact of the repeater penalty and manage the second apron in the out years."

(4) Non-Playoff-Rotation staffing: Kornet and Tillman are both UFAs, albeit with Bird rights attached if we want to match an offer they get. Neemias Queta has a $2.2M club option that Stevens can exercise up until 6/29, so we'll get an answer on that soon (I think you take it, at the very worst he's tradable). I would expect Svi, Brissett, Davison, and maybe one of Tillman and Kornet to depart, leaving us with only minimum deals to offer to replace our depth. I haven't seen any good estimates of what Kornet and/or Tillman might get offered, but there's probably a point beyond which we don't match.

But that brings us an opportunity for the joys of the ring-chaser market: vets willing to take a minimum deal on a team that has huge championship equity. I threw some names down in the Brad thread, anybody as exciting as Obi Toppin or Nic Claxton is probably out of reach for us, but there is an odd Nic Batum or Kelly Oubre out there for us to at least pitch ideas to.

(5) The draft. It's Thursday. We have #30 and #54, as adequately covered elsewhere. I expect Brad to trade out of the first-rounder unless there's someone we really like as a long-term project. Can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket, at least every now and then. This is also a reminder to Jordan Walsh that he needs to show something this coming year or will likely be chucked for the next prospect off the conveyor belt.

(6) Olympics. Tatum and Jrue are going, Brown is a leading candidate to replace Kawhi once he officially withdraws (as are Brunson and a few others, so it's no sure thing). The USA doesn't play until July 28th, so JT and Holiday probably get at least a week or so to rest up before it's off to Paris for training camp. But our guys, whether 2 or 3 of them, are going to be worn the hell out by the time the gold medal game is over on August 10th. Hoping we can be more "rotation minutes" than "starter minutes" there. Does it affect whether we give them some extra vacation before training camp opens on Oct 1st? And that's not even considering the possibility of...

(7) Porzingis and his offseason of uncertainty. He said in the wake of the victory last week, perhaps brashly, that he's going to try to be ready for the Olympics. Radsoxfan and our other medical professionals were highly dubious. But let's suppose he does the smart thing and stays home. It seems like we'd really want to give him a full 3 months off or so. Will we have him join training camp on Oct 1st? Will we give him a few weeks into that where he's just walking around and joining for team activities but isn't going hard on that ankle until late October or November? We treated him with kid gloves this past season, it was almost enough, maybe we need to shave off even more recovery time for him this season. He's always going to be a glass cannon, just one Dereck Lively dirty shove from injury, no matter how careful we are.


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So that's a lot that's coming for us as the team lays its groundwork to repeat. Let's keep posting news, or even credible rumors, as we hear about it.
 
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Thank you for starting this thread. I commented on a couple of your points below; no real argument on any of the other points you raised.

(6) Olympics. Tatum and Jrue are going, Brown is a leading candidate to replace Kawhi once he officially withdraws (as are Brunson and a few others, so it's no sure thing). The USA doesn't play until July 28th, so JT and Holiday probably get at least a week or so to rest up before it's off to Paris for training camp. But our guys, whether 2 or 3 of them, are going to be worn the hell out by the time the gold medal game is over on August 10th. Hoping we can be more "rotation minutes" than "starter minutes" there. Does it affect whether we give them some extra vacation before training camp opens on Oct 1st? And that's not even considering the possibility of...
There was a report that Derrick White would be named to the team if Kawhi ends up missing the Olympics. Not sure why White over JB, as Brown seems more like the type of player you would replace Kawhi with. But I'm guessing we'll learn more soon by the 4th.

(7) Porzingis and his offseason of uncertainty. He said in the wake of the victory last week, perhaps brashly, that he's going to try to be ready for the Olympics. Radsoxfan and our other medical professionals were highly dubious. But let's suppose he does the smart thing and stays home. It seems like we'd really want to give him a full 3 months off or so. Will we have him join training camp on Oct 1st? Will we give him a few weeks into that where he's just walking around and joining for team activities but isn't going hard on that ankle until late October or November? We treated him with kid gloves this past season, it was almost enough, maybe we need to shave off even more recovery time for him this season. He's always going to be a glass cannon, just one Dereck Lively dirty shove from injury, no matter how careful we are.
There was a report that Porzingis was going to have offseason surgery on his ankle, and would likely need to miss some number of "months". So I doubt the Olympics are in play for him. Latvia also has to play in a qualifying tournament in early July before the team is actually invited to the Olympics.
 

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Great opening post. If it had existed, I probably would have just posted that Bobby Marks video about the second apron in here instead of starting a new thread.

It seems rare for a championship team to be in this good of a position heading into the next season. They have a reasonable path to retain (or extend) all of the key pieces. Even the KP injury can be seen as a positive development if your glasses are rosey enough, since it will very likely keep him out of the Olympics.
 

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There was a report that Porzingis was going to have offseason surgery on his ankle, and would likely need to miss some number of "months". So I doubt the Olympics are in play for him. Latvia also has to play in a qualifying tournament in early July before the team is actually invited to the Olympics.
Yeah, I must have missed the talk of KP being ready for the Olympics. Seems impossible to me unless there was an incorrect diagnosis and he's magically healed. It's a surgical injury and no way be can be back in time for the Olympics in that case.

I hope White takes his max. Tatum will take his max of course. I expect Hauser back next year, regardless of the specifics.

Not sure what to expect with the draft or the fringe of the rotation but post title, I am not stressing it :)
 

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(6) Olympics. Tatum and Jrue are going, Brown is a leading candidate to replace Kawhi once he officially withdraws (as are Brunson and a few others, so it's no sure thing). The USA doesn't play until July 28th, so JT and Holiday probably get at least a week or so to rest up before it's off to Paris for training camp. But our guys, whether 2 or 3 of them, are going to be worn the hell out by the time the gold medal game is over on August 10th. Hoping we can be more "rotation minutes" than "starter minutes" there. Does it affect whether we give them some extra vacation before training camp opens on Oct 1st? And that's not even considering the possibility of...
Team USA is training in Vegas coinciding with the start of Summer League and Team Canada will head out there that week as well. They then go to Dubai and UK before heading to Paris for Opening Ceremony then Lille for Group Play.
 

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A team this dominant returning its entire rotation intact is special. Not sure if even GS pulled this off. It will definitely be the top-8 minutes guys and could possibly keep a few more deeper in the rotation depending on how things play out. Ring-chaser vet minimum sounds good in theory, but the list that was graciously posted really didn't impress me. Nobody jumped out that I could see take significant minutes away from our top-8 guys.
 

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(1) Tatum supermax extension. He didn't sign it in the locker room during the celebration, but he could have. It won't be long now. I hope he won't insist on a bunch of non-financial terms in his favor - Brown allowing the last year to be guaranteed rather than a player option is helpful, etc.
Great post. W/r/t JT's extension, he will get whatever bells and whistles exist on these types of contracts, including the final year player option. That's what happens when one is first team All-NBA three years in a row.
 

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Great post. W/r/t JT's extension, he will get whatever bells and whistles exist on these types of contracts, including the final year player option. That's what happens when one is first team All-NBA three years in a row.
Jaylen Brown might well have insisted on the same thing, too, but he didn't. If Tatum wants a player option, he'll get one. I'm saying I hope he doesn't insist on it. We have no idea what the roster will look like 6 years from now, but I can assure you it'll be far different, and having certainty around the term he is signed for provides a lot of flexibility if needed.
 

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Jaylen Brown might well have insisted on the same thing, too, but he didn't. If Tatum wants a player option, he'll get one. I'm saying I hope he doesn't insist on it. We have no idea what the roster will look like 6 years from now, but I can assure you it'll be far different, and having certainty around the term he is signed for provides a lot of flexibility if needed.
JT's agent will insist on the player option and he'll get it. Which will be interesting because JB's and JT's contracts could be on the same cycle (depending on when extensions are exercised).

You raise an interesting question about the negotiations between JB and BOS. One thing I've always wondered - and I suppose this is the kind of thing one only learns if one is a part of it - how GMs negotiate with their star players without creating hard feelings. As we all remember, there was a delay between JB's eligibility to sign the extension and the actual extension.

I guess POBOBS says to JB's agent pretty early on in the discussions, "Look we love JB but we have an organization to run and precedent to consider. We're happy to give JB his max extension but we can't give him the player option."

But I wonder what would have happened if JB had really pushed for the option. ("I"m a top player and every top player gets the option."). Would BOS had let JB walk instead of giving him the player option if it really came down to it?

I guess we'll never know and like you I'm certainly glad JB's contract is five years' straight but JT is on another level and JT should get a new agent if he doesn't get the player option. I mean it's super valuable to him.
 

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I'm not sure it's super valuable to him, actually. Yes, options have value to the option holder. But consider, he'd be opting out of like a $70M option year, and then only able to get a 30%-of-cap max instead of the 35% supermax that teams retaining their Designated Veterans can offer. So how likely is it, even, that he'd get that much more money at that point? The cap would have to be over $210M, and it might be around there but it won't be meaningfully higher. And likewise, if Tatum wants to be traded, and makes that known, he's going to be traded. Nobody is holding him hostage here.

So I think it could be a fairly simple conversation, actually: here's the one thing we, as a team, want to ask of you here. Here's why it's worth more to us than it would be to you. We can say yes to just about everything else, including every last dime we're allowed to pay you. Saying yes won't cost you anything, either. So can you do that for us? ...and then they get into other minor stuff like guarantee language, any negotiable perks, maybe some performance bonuses if you're still allowed to do those on a supermax, ticket allocations to home games, etc - of which there's a lot, but it's not really material to negotiations.
 

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I'm not sure it's super valuable to him, actually. Yes, options have value to the option holder. But consider, he'd be opting out of like a $70M option year, and then only able to get a 30%-of-cap max instead of the 35% supermax that teams retaining their Designated Veterans can offer. So how likely is it, even, that he'd get that much more money at that point? The cap would have to be over $210M, and it might be around there but it won't be meaningfully higher. And likewise, if Tatum wants to be traded, and makes that known, he's going to be traded. Nobody is holding him hostage here.

So I think it could be a fairly simple conversation, actually: here's the one thing we, as a team, want to ask of you here. Here's why it's worth more to us than it would be to you. We can say yes to just about everything else, including every last dime we're allowed to pay you. Saying yes won't cost you anything, either. So can you do that for us? ...and then they get into other minor stuff like guarantee language, any negotiable perks, maybe some performance bonuses if you're still allowed to do those on a supermax, ticket allocations to home games, etc - of which there's a lot, but it's not really material to negotiations.
He could reset with the Celtics to be at 35% based on current cap number, rather than the 31% it will be at after 10% cap raises. It's very material.
 

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He could reset with the Celtics to be at 35% based on current cap number, rather than the 31% it will be at after 10% cap raises. It's very material.
Yes I was about to say same. With the revenues coming into the league over the next 5-6 years it could be unfathomable what these contracts look like in 2030.


Team USA is training in Vegas coinciding with the start of Summer League and Team Canada will head out there that week as well. They then go to Dubai and UK before heading to Paris for Opening Ceremony then Lille for Group Play.
This may be the first year since Covid that I’m not out there in early July. It’s so cool seeing all the stars at Wynn/Encore during this time chilling where they blend in like everyone else. Vegas is unique.
 

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There was a report that Derrick White would be named to the team if Kawhi ends up missing the Olympics. Not sure why White over JB, as Brown seems more like the type of player you would replace Kawhi with. But I'm guessing we'll learn more soon by the 4th.
White is the perfect fit as a guy who doesn’t need the ball in his hands and is a willing defender. Couple this with his history in the USA Basketball program and you have his case.
 

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White is the perfect fit as a guy who doesn’t need the ball in his hands and is a willing defender. Couple this with his history in the USA Basketball program and you have his case.
White is definitely perfect for the team, but him replacing Kawhi puts them on the small side. Just 6 guys taller than 6'5, 4 of whom are either easily broken or ancient in NBA terms (Tatum and Bam would be the only reliable players with size still in their prime). I'd still like Banchero to get a crack at this somehow, but I know I'm a lot higher on him than most.
 

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In case anyone was wondering, Sean Grande plans to be back next season: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/06/25/sports/sean-grande-future-celtics-radio/.

The article also has a little bit on his awesome end of game 5 call, which is a part of Celtic history. Can't wait until his call after the Cs repeat!
I'm surprised people took Grande that way. He always calls games like that. Part of what makes him so special is how beautifully he always puts over the game, the players, and the moment in time.

Yeah, Max managed to stay out of the way with this call!
I turned the radio on with like 3 minutes to go in game 5. Felt like a solid 10 minutes before Max said a single word. He knows when to let Grande shine.
 

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With Porzingis now confirmed out until December, and the near-term impact part of the draft concluded, we need to revisit where we might have our Center depth coming from. Al Horford will continue to not play back-to-backs, I think, and Kornet and Tillman are not locks to return. Though i'm optimistic Tillman can refine that 3-point shot and make it more of a weapon this year, he's still a 6'7" center in a league where that is frequently an issue. So we have two archetypes we need: a Long Boi who can be a rim-protector against teams where less perimeter switching is required, and a Tillman / Theis / Grant type who has more agility to move around with your Bam Adebayos and the strength to not get simply run over by your Giannises (Giannii?). Basically, the archetypes of KP and Horford themselves.

Working in our favor is (1) championship-ring equity for those interested in ring-chasing, and (2) an obvious chunk of minutes available in the fall for whoever can come and be better than Neemias Queta. Who can be the understudy / stunt double for us? Let's look at who might be out there:

Clearly not going to entertain anything close to a Vet Minimum offer:
Jonas Valanciunas (To WAS for 3/$30)
Mo Wagner
Isaiah Hartenstein (To OKC for 3/$87)
James Wiseman (RFA: DET)

Probably looking for bigger role / longer-term commitment, but you never know:
Jalen Smith (24, 6'10" 215) (player option to return to IND) (To CHI for 3/$27)
Bol Bol (24, 7'3" 220)
Goga Bitazde (25, 6'11" 250)
(back to ORL, 3 yrs / $25M)
Jaxson Hayes (24, 7'0" 220) (player option to return to LAL - picked up)

Rim Protector KP-type possibilities:
Kevin Love (36, 6'8 251) (player option to return to MIA) (back to MIA, for 2/$8)
Andre Drummond (31, 6'11 279) (to PHI for 2/$10)
Dario Saric (30, 6'10 225)
Mason Plumlee (34, 6'10 254) (to PHX, 1 yr Vet Min)
DeAndre Jordan (36, 6'11 265)
Alex Len (31, 7'0 250)
(back to SAC for 1/$3.3)
Cody Zeller (31, 6'11 240) (to NOP for 3/$18)

Switchable Horford-type possibilities:
Daniel Theis (32, 6'8 245) (I know, I know)
Drew Eubanks (27, 6'9" 245) (declined option) (2 yrs / $10M to Utah)
Bismack Biyombo (32, 6'8" 255)
Tristan Thompson (33, 6'9 254)
Jericho Sims (25, 6'10 245) (NYK team option picked up, but listening to offers)

Not sure they're NBA players but I'm going to Name Some Guys:
Thomas Bryant (26, 6'10 248) (opts out from MIA player option)
Mo Bamba (26, 7'0 231) (to LAC)
Sandro Mamukelashvili (25, 6'11 240) (RFA: SAS, got qualifying offer)
JaVale McGee (36, 7'0 270)
Moses Brown (24, 7'2 245)
Boban Marjanovic (36, 7'4 290) (might be broken)
Mike Muscala (33, 6'10 240) (waived by DET in Feb, nobody picked him up)
Damian Jones (28, 6'11 245)
Udoka Azubuike (25, 6'10 280)

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Of those names, I think my first call would be to Jalen Smith, whose role was reduced this past season but seems to be the kind of skillset we need.

Edit: well, scratch Smith off the list too, then, I guess. Assuming Wiseman isn't coming for the bench, I guess I'm on the Dario Saric train. Let's see how he does for Croatia the next few weeks, he'll be playing Slovenia and maybe Greece.
 
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Returning to the "who can we pick up on a minimum for Center depth", Brian Robb over on MassLive put up his list of 8 who might be a target:

Mo Bamba: The 26-year-old served as Joel Embiid’s primary backup last season. The 76ers could have some big free agency plans of their own with cap size so he’s unlikely to get much more from them than the minimum. Boston could pitch the opportunity to play bigger minutes due to their aging centers.

Jaxson Hayes (player option): It is unclear still if he will be available (deadline to opt in is Saturday). The 24-year-old is a good rim protector with very limited offensive range.

Mason Plumlee: The 33-year-old saw his role decline for the second straight year with the Clippers in a crowded front court. The Clippers can retain him for more than the minimum but he’s unlikely to get a big deal from them with their likely second apron status. Would be a nice bargain at the minimum for a strong rebounding and passing big.

Daniel Theis: The Celtics tried to reunite with Theis last year when he became a free agent but he opted to sign with the Clippers, who had more minutes available. The equation may change now though with Boston having plenty of minutes available for at least the first two months of the season and potentially beyond at center. Theis still has fans in the front office so this is a name to keep an eye on.

Andre Drummond: Another name that has been linked to Boston in past trade talks. It feels like Drummond has been around forever but he’s still only 30 years old. A more proven commodity than Neemias Queta at this point but he’ll have plenty of suitors for the minimum.

Alex Len: A high-turnover, limited offensive player but also a good rim protector and rebounder off the bench. He’s been the Kings’ primary center backup for last couple of years.

Drew Eubanks: One of the more intriguing names on this list. He played a big role off the bench for the Suns last year but opted out of his deal there for the upcoming season. He could go back there for a raise, but the Celtics should be knocking on his door if he’s looking for a fresh start.

Goga Bitadze: Played a surprisingly big role for the Magic last year, starting 33 games. Limited as a big body offensively but a terrific rebounder with some upside at age 24.
I would rank my interest in them as:

  1. Hayes
  2. Bitazde
  3. Theis
  4. Bamba
  5. Eubanks
  6. Plumlee
  7. See if Perk wants to put his money where his mouth is
  8. Len
  9. Drummond

And I'm somewhat unsure of my ranks 5-7 there. Theis Part Drei would definitely be the funniest though.
 
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I'd give Bamba a try. Wasn't there an early 6ers graves last year where he hit several threes? I think he's worth a minimal gamble. Maybe Al can school him a bit.
 

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Didn’t realize that summer league started so early in July. Not much time off for any Celtic or Maverick playing down in Vegas.
It is actually starting later than normal this year. I’m usually in Vegas during week of the 4th, practices have already began and I catch some of the early games before the 9th/10th of July.
 

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  1. Hayes
  2. Bitazde
  3. Theis
  4. Bamba
  5. Eubanks
  6. Plumlee
  7. See if Perk wants to put his money where his mouth is
  8. Len
  9. Drummond
Saric is a better fit than any of those guys, I think. He can play in a 5 out, space, hit a 3, and is a pretty good passer.
 

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Actually really like that. Any rumblings about him resigning in Goldent State or any other rumors?
Haven't heard anything but haven't been listening. I would think given he signed a 1 year deal, he'd be hoping for something more, but with his injury history and the way the center market goes these days, hard to gauge his value. He's certainly a bit part for any team's plans.
 

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Saric has been my preferred guy since last year, for reasons you guys identify. He also fits well with Queta, in that it gives you a couple very different profiles.

Though, my guess is Tilman resigning is their plan and if so, Saric may not see enough minutes to sign. I'm ok with that as well.

Anyone like Cedi Osman as a Brisset replacement option?
 
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Saric basically got Kornet minutes on Golden State last year. I think even if Boston keeps Tillman, with Porzingis injury and Horford's age, I dont see how someone like Saric doesn't get 15+ minutes a night. Especially because he allows a double big lineup
 

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I don’t know who Mo Bamba can’t crack an NBA rotation. He’s athletic, with great size, and can stretch the floor, shooting 39% on low volume last season for the Suns. actually, I do know. He seems clueless most of the time and doesn’t have a consistently high motor.

He has trained with Tatum and Drew Hanlen in the past. Maybe playing with JT, with tutelage from Al Horford, could turn his NBA career around. He could be a good option for the 15th roster slot if everyone isn’t retained

Theis is a safe option, but not with the upside of a Bamba or Jalen Smith.
 

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I don’t know who Mo Bamba can’t crack an NBA rotation. He’s athletic, with great size, and can stretch the floor, shooting 39% on low volume last season for the Suns. actually, I do know. He seems clueless most of the time and doesn’t have a consistently high motor.

He has trained with Tatum and Drew Hanlen in the past. Maybe playing with JT, with tutelage from Al Horford, could turn his NBA career around. He could be a good option for the 15th roster slot if everyone isn’t retained

Theis is a safe option, but not with the upside of a Bamba or Jalen Smith.
Local talk around Orlando was that he was a whiner with a Johnny Manziel level work ethic.
 

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I don’t know who Mo Bamba can’t crack an NBA rotation. He’s athletic, with great size, and can stretch the floor, shooting 39% on low volume last season for the Suns. actually, I do know. He seems clueless most of the time and doesn’t have a consistently high motor.

He has trained with Tatum and Drew Hanlen in the past. Maybe playing with JT, with tutelage from Al Horford, could turn his NBA career around. He could be a good option for the 15th roster slot if everyone isn’t retained

Theis is a safe option, but not with the upside of a Bamba or Jalen Smith.
Local talk around Orlando was that he was a whiner with a Johnny Manziel level work ethic.
Asked and answered. Mo has everything on paper, so he's enticing. But he's a dog. I'd rather an empty seat on the bench.
 

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Anyone like Cedi Osman as a Brisset replacement option?
Not sure it's realistic. He's likely going to get either more years or more money from somebody.

From browsing the unrestricted free agents, here's what I found for forwards (not an exhaustive list...feel free to add or remove)

Guys I either like or wouldn't mind...

Robert Covington
Thad Young
Usman Garuba
Reggie Bullock
Jae Crowder
Torrey Craig
Haywood Highsmith (unlikely)
Naji Marshall (unlikely)
Taurean Prince (unlikely)
Bol Bol (unlikely)

Guys who I either don't like or will likely be cheap...

PJ Tucker
Anthony Gill
TJ Warren
Lonnie Walker
Yuta Watanabe
MM Sr.
Taj Gibson
Jordan Nwora
Davis Bertans
Luka Samanic (former Red Claw)
 

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Not sure it's realistic. He's likely going to get either more years or more money from somebody.

From browsing the unrestricted free agents, here's what I found for forwards (not an exhaustive list...feel free to add or remove)

Guys I either like or wouldn't mind...

Robert Covington
Thad Young
Usman Garuba
Reggie Bullock
Jae Crowder
Torrey Craig
Haywood Highsmith (unlikely)
Naji Marshall (unlikely)
Taurean Prince (unlikely)
Bol Bol (unlikely)

Guys who I either don't like or will likely be cheap...

PJ Tucker
Anthony Gill
TJ Warren
Lonnie Walker
Yuta Watanabe
MM Sr.
Taj Gibson
Jordan Nwora
Davis Bertans
Luka Samanic (former Red Claw)
PJ Tucker exercised his $11.5M player option this week so he’s off the list now. Pretty crazy that a guy who played 5 seasons abroad in his early 20s ended up grossing $80M+ in his career.
 

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Not sure it's realistic. He's likely going to get either more years or more money from somebody.

From browsing the unrestricted free agents, here's what I found for forwards (not an exhaustive list...feel free to add or remove)

Guys I either like or wouldn't mind...

Robert Covington
Thad Young
Usman Garuba
Reggie Bullock
Jae Crowder
Torrey Craig
Haywood Highsmith (unlikely)
Naji Marshall (unlikely)
Taurean Prince (unlikely)
Bol Bol (unlikely)

Guys who I either don't like or will likely be cheap...

PJ Tucker
Anthony Gill
TJ Warren
Lonnie Walker
Yuta Watanabe
MM Sr.
Taj Gibson
Jordan Nwora
Davis Bertans
Luka Samanic (former Red Claw)
Bol's back with PHO. https://arizonasports.com/story/3549749/bol-bol-plans-to-stay-with-phoenix-suns-on-1-year-deal-per-report/
 

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PJ Tucker exercised his $11.5M player option this week so he’s off the list now. Pretty crazy that a guy who played 5 seasons abroad in his early 20s ended up grossing $80M+ in his career.
Not bad for a guy I remember sitting on the bench for his AAU team in Greensboro, NC as a borderline Top-100 guy. That was over 20 years ago which is crazy.
 

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Not bad for a guy I remember sitting on the bench for his AAU team in Greensboro, NC as a borderline Top-100 guy. That was over 20 years ago which is crazy.
Yup. He basically turned 5 games in the 2012 Summer League, where he averaged like 6/6, into a 14-15 year career. I’ll never get enough of those kinds of stories.
 

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Not sure it's realistic. He's likely going to get either more years or more money from somebody.

From browsing the unrestricted free agents, here's what I found for forwards (not an exhaustive list...feel free to add or remove)

Guys I either like or wouldn't mind...

Robert Covington
Thad Young
Usman Garuba
Reggie Bullock
Jae Crowder
Torrey Craig
Haywood Highsmith (unlikely)
Naji Marshall (unlikely)
Taurean Prince (unlikely)
Bol Bol (unlikely)

Guys who I either don't like or will likely be cheap...

PJ Tucker
Anthony Gill
TJ Warren
Lonnie Walker
Yuta Watanabe
MM Sr.
Taj Gibson
Jordan Nwora
Davis Bertans
Luka Samanic (former Red Claw)
Would love Highsmith or Marshall but they will be paid more than Osman, I bet. My guess is two way guys are going to get paid and one way guys will be comparative bargains.

Not that he’s always right, but as one source of info Hollinger projects Marshall at $12 mil, Highsmith at $8.7, and Osman at $4.3 with half a dozen guys in between them

Hollinger has the wing min salary guys as Hayward, Justin Holiday, Ingles, Hezonja guys like that. Just above them—where a player might take a little less for a contender and playoff check, are guys like Cam Reddish ($3.6 mil), Banton ($3.6 but now resigned), and Osman

each year there’s a couple wings who slide into min slots—Oubre being the highest profile last year. So we’ll see who slides this year
 

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Justin Holiday just feels like an obvious player they will look at for depth.
this makes sense.

They have their top 8 locked in, whatever big they sign is the 9th man, after that they're just trolling around for depth. Having guys that know what they're doing, be a locker room plus, and when they get on the court and aren't looking to put up numbers for their next deal is what they're looking for.

Hell with it, I'd sign Aaron too. Get the whole Holiday family in here.
 

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Lonnie Walker would be interesting. He hit the three at .384 last season, and scored 9.7 ppg in only 17 .4 minutes. He might thrive in a stable situation with Jrue and DWhite as mentors.