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This one was *not* a schedule loss. Sometimes a spade is a spade, and in this case it’s the 5th best team in the East.

Still a long ways to go, but they do have to start winning some of these. The schedule doesn’t stay this easy forever.
 

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This one was *not* a schedule loss. Sometimes a spade is a spade, and in this case it’s the 5th best team in the East.

Still a long ways to go, but they do have to start winning some of these. The schedule doesn’t stay this easy forever.
Agreed. As I noted in the gamethread, the C's clearly have a road problem. If the standings hold - and there is essentially another half of season - they will play the 76ers with Philly holding home-court. And if they make it out of the first round, they will have to play just about everyone else on the road as well.
 

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It might be time to look at the coach. These guys obviously aren’t on the same page. I was skeptical that a college coach could manage NBA egos, and it looks like that’s not happening. You got pushing matches in time outs, quotes in press conferences. He’s completely lost control of the room.
 

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It might be time to look at the coach. These guys obviously aren’t on the same page. I was skeptical that a college coach could manage NBA egos, and it looks like that’s not happening. You got pushing matches in time outs, quotes in press conferences. He’s completely lost control of the room.
Yikes
 

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Disclaimer: Long time Kyrie fan here.

Well Kyrie..... you could have asked them if they knew what it took last year but you didn't bother to show up to support your young teammates as they were playing in Game 7 of the EC Finals you dipsh*t. If Rozier/Jaylen/Tatum were edgy he'd respond in a similar manner by asking Kyrie this question publicly.

Veteran infighting with young guys isn't anything new in this league. We saw it here with the KG teams but you don't call them out publicly to embarrass them. That's BS.
 

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Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. But I really don’t like this Kyrie take. These young guys have experience. They were a shot or two away from getting to the NBA Finals. At that their age, Kyrie was busy losing a million games / season in Cleveland. Then, LeBron shows up and all of a sudden he’s a winner. Go figure.

His frustration is real and it’s something that warrants monitoring given his contract situation.
 

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I’m not really sure how Ainge can even offer a contract to someone saying shit like this publicly. It’s going to be a real test of talent trumps all versus wanting to build a cohesive unit with a strong locker room leader. I don’t think I’ll be upset either way at this point, but maybe it’s time to see if you can work a 3-team trade for Kyrie/Brown/picks to land Davis. I’m not sure who’s giving up what for Kyrie, though.
 

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I don’t think this is a hot take but I’d be interested in hearing the boards opinion on this....

As much as Kyrie Is taking about the “young guys” and as much as the players seemingly are railing against Brown and Tatum, isn’t the biggest problem with this team Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens giving him foo many minutes+shoehorning him into crunch time lineups?

PS: I know Hayward needs minutes and he will progress...so really this is on Stevens for not regulating minutes better and bad substitution patterns
 

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I’m not really sure how Ainge can even offer a contract to someone saying shit like this publicly. It’s going to be a real test of talent trumps all versus wanting to build a cohesive unit with a strong locker room leader. I don’t think I’ll be upset either way at this point, but maybe it’s time to see if you can work a 3-team trade for Kyrie/Brown/picks to land Davis. I’m not sure who’s giving up what for Kyrie, though.
Ainge needs to look in the mirror and wondered how he allowed this to happen. Kyrie is frustrated and he lashed out today. After back to back garbage performances by a team that looked like it had turned things around, I think his frustration is understandable.

The reality is that Ainge rolled the dice by keeping Rozier and he has been busy trying to prove that he deserves to get paid and what he has shown is that he is a liability for the team. Hayward has some great games and some horrid ones, but that was to be expected coming back from that injury. Brown has played better lately, but Tatum has not progressed like anyone hoped. Him spending time with Kobe was clearly not good for his development. The team just can't seem to put things together consistently and the effort seems to be lacking at times. I just don't think Kyrie is the biggest problem for this team right now.
 

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I’m not really sure how Ainge can even offer a contract to someone saying shit like this publicly. It’s going to be a real test of talent trumps all versus wanting to build a cohesive unit with a strong locker room leader. I don’t think I’ll be upset either way at this point, but maybe it’s time to see if you can work a 3-team trade for Kyrie/Brown/picks to land Davis. I’m not sure who’s giving up what for Kyrie, though.
Kyrie is clearly clamoring for more veterans. He doesn’t seem to want to play with the Tatum’s, Brown’s, and Rozier’s of the world. Kyrie himself obviously isn’t getting traded and neither are Tatum and Brown. Rozier is obviously a possibility at this point. I don’t want Ainge making the 2019 equivalent of the Joe Johnson trade but he does have to keep Kyrie happy. It puts the team in a tough position.

I also don’t really know what Kyrie wants. This team isn’t that young. Guys like Horford, Morris, Hayward, Baynes, Smart, etc. all have plenty of experience. Time Lord and Yabu hardly play so the “young guys” he’s referring are obviously Tatum, Brown, and Rozier. And only Rozier has any chance of getting traded.

What this lashing out tells me is that if Ainge can get Kyrie to chill until the summer, both Tatum and Brown will absolutely be on the table for AD if he becomes available. And if AD doesn’t become available or goes to LA, I think it’s far from certain that Kyrie returns.
 

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Kyrie is far from the biggest problem on the court, but you can’t have people acting like Kyrie, period, especially one who is the self-professed leader. Unless there’s some crazy Kyrie trade, Rozier absolutely needs to go. Hayward has been improving and seems to have a good attitude, so I’m fine with his minutes, but Rozier has been terrible and clearly wants out. There doesn’t appear to be room for Kyrie and Rozier, so ship Rozier out yesterday.
 

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OK, I hadn't watched the entire Kyrie thing until now. I find what he said to no be very controversial at all.
I agree though I think what others are focusing on is that he said anything at all. We are so accustomed to players doing the sports cliche thing that when a person says something candid its news, even if the message is fairly tame.

The bad news is that the media will make a big deal about these comments as well as Kyrie yelling at Hayward and Stevens. Add in the Morris/Brown beef and the narrative is great for talk radio, blogs and social media.

Of course, winning cures a lot so if this team can come back and defeat the Nets - no easy task these days (NOT a lottery team) and somehow knock off the Raptors at home, this weekend will be forgotten.

It also doesn't hurt that this loss and Irving's comments came amid the height of the NFL playoffs. The Patriots game will likely be the main focus of Boston sports talk by Monday. However if the Cs lose in BKNY...
 

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If Terry doesn’t go 0-fer in 17 minutes tonight, and Kyrie hits a single 3, this game goes the other way.

He should be pissed, and it’s clear that some of the guys on this team still don’t understand their role. I’m having a hard time putting this on anyone on the floor other than Terry. Tatum’s talent is enticing enough to let him Kobe his way through a few nights, but the team isn’t gelling enough to have Terry do it too.

Not only is Rozier clearly the odd man out statistically (on/off ratings), the eye test backs up that the entire offense shits the bed when he checks in the game. If he takes another fast break three, or dribbles the clock down for a bad shot, he needs to be stapled to the bench. I’d ditch him for an expiring contract yesterday.

edit: also, his defensive effort and execution have been next level bad. especially against the pick and roll. he routinely does not fight through screens, and the ones where he does, he does so poorly and his teammate is already rotating on a switch. Terry, instead of recognizing it, doesn’t switch back and now they’re double teaming the ball handler with the roll guy wide open for a kick out three. The ONLY thing he’s doing effectively is rebounding, and that has value, but not enough to offset how putrid he has been everywhere else.
 

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One other thing to note is the Celtic FTs tonight. A common refrain around these parts is the FT disparity between the Cs and their opponents. Tonight the Cs went the the line 28 times and missed nine shots. Orlando was 22-24. The C's are normally pretty decent in converting their FTs (sixth in the league in FT%) in the rare instance that they get whistles (28th in the league in FTA/game). If the C's just hit at their normal FT rate of 79.9%, the probably win this game. Veteran players like Irving, Morris and Hayward all missed key charity stripe shots in this game - so its not a good look for Kyrie to complain when he and the other old heads could have done better on the easiest shots a player can take.
 

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Kyrie is clearly clamoring for more veterans. He doesn’t seem to want to play with the Tatum’s, Brown’s, and Rozier’s of the world. Kyrie himself obviously isn’t getting traded and neither are Tatum and Brown. Rozier is obviously a possibility at this point. I don’t want Ainge making the 2019 equivalent of the Joe Johnson trade but he does have to keep Kyrie happy. It puts the team in a tough position.

I also don’t really know what Kyrie wants. This team isn’t that young. Guys like Horford, Morris, Hayward, Baynes, Smart, etc. all have plenty of experience. Time Lord and Yabu hardly play so the “young guys” he’s referring are obviously Tatum, Brown, and Rozier. And only Rozier has any chance of getting traded.

What this lashing out tells me is that if Ainge can get Kyrie to chill until the summer, both Tatum and Brown will absolutely be on the table for AD if he becomes available. And if AD doesn’t become available or goes to LA, I think it’s far from certain that Kyrie returns.
The issue with waiting that long and allowing Tatum and Brown to continue regressing is the shine also goes off them. Would they be the most attractive players that NO could get if they put AD up for a trade? Right now yes, but who knows in 6 months.
 

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As much as Kyrie Is taking about the “young guys” and as much as the players seemingly are railing against Brown and Tatum, isn’t the biggest problem with this team Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens giving him foo many minutes+shoehorning him into crunch time lineups?
I have been quietly banging the "Hayward might be a problem" drum all season but he's inked to a big contract and there's nothing to be done about it now.
 

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The issue with waiting that long and allowing Tatum and Brown to continue regressing is the shine also goes off them. Would they be the most attractive players that NO could get if they put AD up for a trade? Right now yes, but who knows in 6 months.
I certainly don't think Tatum is regressing, nor will he "continue to regress". He's going through the typical growth curve most young NBA players go through. His decision making: when to pass, when to shoot, when to drive, what to do off the ball, etc. still needs work. But that takes most NBA players several years to perfect. It took Paul Pierce a few seasons, and he was 2 years older than Tatum when he came into the league.

Brown's struggles are a different issue, as he's found himself in a bit of a redundant role at an inopportune time for his own development. Not really anyone's fault; he was the best player available when he was drafted third in what was widely considered to be a two-man draft.

As for Hayward, I don't blame him for that inbounds pass. I assume Tatum was Plan B if Hayward saw the opening; Kyrie was naturally a bit upset thinking he would get the final shot. The bottom line is that the team should never have found itself down 2 with 2.9 seconds left to a vastly inferior opponent in the first place, especially after a tough loss 2 nights prior. And that's on everyone, including Kyrie and the coaching staff.

As for Kyrie's comments, I think they are being taken a bit out of context. There is a lot more to the NBA game than just putting the ball in the hole, and my assumption is Kyrie was referring to those other aspects when he expresses his frustration with the play of the younger players. Tatum had a tough shooting night, but there is much more that Tatum can do both offensively and defensively if and when he puts his mind to it. The same can be said of Brown as well, as he really didn't do much other than put up 9 shot attempts. Now, if he's instead expressing frustration with simply not getting the ball enough, we may indeed have a real yet unfixable problem.

Unfortunately, other than trading Rozier for table scraps, there is no viable solution this season, other than just to fix the problems internally. And likely none this offseason either, unless Ainge is able to get a hole-in-one on a par 5 and snag Davis.
 

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I don’t understand that with all the redundancy at our 2/3/4 positions how some feel that trading Rozier so Wanamaker takes his minutes is going to fix anything. Unless Ainge shakes things up at the positions/roles that are frustrating now multiple players I don’t see how we aren’t the same team tomorrow as we are today as we were a month ago as we were from day one.
 

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I don’t understand that with all the redundancy at our 2/3/4 positions how some feel that trading Rozier so Wanamaker takes his minutes is going to fix anything. Unless Ainge shakes things up at the positions/roles that are frustrating now multiple players I don’t see how we aren’t the same team tomorrow as we are today as we were a month ago as we were from day one.
I take it to mean that the minutes of the other guards and Tatum and possibly Morris would go up to make up for Rozier’s 20. I don’t think anyone really wants Wanamaker to take those minutes.
 

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So first 20 games they’re .500, you can maybe give a pass here for early season cohesion

Next 20 games they’re best in NBA and underlying stats show it

Now 0-2 since then... and really the only thing we can do for this season is trade Terry
 

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I agree that it's time for a move, but simply dumping Rozier for another rotation guard won't be enough.
 

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The thinking is addition by subtraction. Rozier’s attitude could be infecting the other guys. Just too many possessions where he jacks up a crazy early 3, jogs back at half speed, loses his man who either blows by him for an easy 2 or drains a killer wide open three. Got to send a message to this team to try and start a shakeup
 

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I take it to mean that the minutes of the other guards and Tatum and possibly Morris would go up to make up for Rozier’s 20. I don’t think anyone really wants Wanamaker to take those minutes.
Whether anyone wants Wanamaker running the second unit or not that is who Brad has called on in two of the three games Kyrie has been out (when Rozier started) since Smart moved into the starting lineup with 22 and 18 minutes in those respective games.
 

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One other thing to note is the Celtic FTs tonight. A common refrain around these parts is the FT disparity between the Cs and their opponents. Tonight the Cs went the the line 28 times and missed nine shots. Orlando was 22-24. The C's are normally pretty decent in converting their FTs (sixth in the league in FT%) in the rare instance that they get whistles (28th in the league in FTA/game). If the C's just hit at their normal FT rate of 79.9%, the probably win this game. Veteran players like Irving, Morris and Hayward all missed key charity stripe shots in this game - so its not a good look for Kyrie to complain when he and the other old heads could have done better on the easiest shots a player can take.
This is true, as is the points about hitting an extra shot here or there, but the Celtics looked so bad last night in the 4th quarter in so many areas of the game. Their talent held them in it. If they were playing a marginally better team they would have been crushed.

At a certain point you have to look at coaching or more broadly, management of the team. It's happened over and over where the younger players start playing hero ball and then to bail them out Kyrie starts with hero ball and so you have this awful mix on the court.
 

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It's happened over and over where the younger players start playing hero ball and then to bail them out Kyrie starts with hero ball and so you have this awful mix on the court.
It often starts with Kyrie, not the young players. The difference is that he's much better at it than they are.
 

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Whether anyone wants Wanamaker running the second unit or not that is who Brad has called on in two of the three games Kyrie has been out (when Rozier started) since Smart moved into the starting lineup with 22 and 18 minutes in those respective games.
In the Dallas game, where Wanamaker got 22 minutes, the Celtics entered Q4 up by 16 and won by 21 - so many of those minutes were garbage minutes.

It is true that Brad saw some meaningful first half action, but that probably had less to do with Stevens' preferred rotation at PG and more to do with the fact that, in addition to Kyrie, Marcus Morris was also out (as were Baynes and Time Lord). Wanamaker would have seen far fewer minutes, and maybe none in the first half, had Morris been available.

In the other game where Wanamaker got decent minutes, vs New Orleans, Morris and Time Lord were available, but Baynes, Horford, and Hayward were out.

It takes more than just Kyrie being out for Wanamaker to get minutes.
 

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It often starts with Kyrie, not the young players. The difference is that he's much better at it than they are.
Kyrie playing hero ball may very well be a symptom of the other players not being in the best position to take a pass from Kyrie, or Kyrie feeling such a pass would lead to a bad shot.
 

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Well Kyrie..... you could have asked them if they knew what it took last year but you didn't bother to show up to support your young teammates as they were playing in Game 7 of the EC Finals you dipsh*t. If Rozier/Jaylen/Tatum were edgy he'd respond in a similar manner by asking Kyrie this question publicly.

Veteran infighting with young guys isn't anything new in this league. We saw it here with the KG teams but you don't call them out publicly to embarrass them. That's BS.
Agreed. The comments are not a good look by the so-called "team leader". Kyrie Game 7 MIA job and Gordon's earlier season comments about last years playoff run are not a good look. That may have Rozier/Brown/Tatum a bit jaded with their well-compensated teammates.

But let's address the here and now. The bench was horrific, so I think Kyrie was particularly hot with Rozier. Also, I think Kyrie was addressing our Kobe. Tatum just needs to stop attempting contested, mid-range, turnaround, fadeaway jumpers for 2pts. Jayson is just too damn good for those inefficient FGA's. The last shot of the game was an embarrassing look. 3 seconds left from the halfcourt inbounds is plenty of time to get something decent. Brad didn't draw that up, so I'm more interested in what he has to say then Kyrie.

Brad really needs to be the "team leader", he needs to grab the reigns here. There is way too much talent on this roster. Brad's rotations aren't working. If Rozier isn't playing well, short leash, sit him. While I like Brad, he's doing a sub-optimal job this season, his incessant need to play small ball is narrow-minded (ie Rozier + Kyrie is a combo we don't need to see). BUT there is a long way to go, Brad needs to start putting this puzzle together if he wants a top 3 seed*.


*for clarity, in no way am I calling for Brad's head or should they consider another coach
 
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The thinking is addition by subtraction. Rozier’s attitude could be infecting the other guys. Just too many possessions where he jacks up a crazy early 3, jogs back at half speed, loses his man who either blows by him for an easy 2 or drains a killer wide open three. Got to send a message to this team to try and start a shakeup
Attitude aside, I think Rozier is just getting too many minutes better given to Smart+wing players.
 

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Kyrie was ripshit because he wanted the ball for the last shot. If you watched the game, he was in Brad's face as the timeout broke up, pointing at the whiteboard and practically screaming at him. He wanted the ball, thinks that he's the right guy to take that shot, and he's right. Now, that doesn't mean that he should be bitching before the shot, right after the shot bricks out, or in postgame interviews--clearly he shouldn't. But that was him telling Brad publicly, "I'm your best player. That shot is mine. You're an idiot for drawing up something that doesn't end up with the ball in my hands."

Rozier needs to go because he sucks donkey dick. I've been saying this for weeks. It's not just the 0-for. The offense falls apart when he comes in. The defense falls apart when he comes in. Kyrie is outperforming him on defense this year. Kyrie. If you're a guard, that's embarrassing.

Trade Nomar for Cabrera/Eyechart.

There is one guy on this team who is not with the program at all. That's not to say that Tatum, Brown, and even Morris and Hayward aren't sometimes forcing, playing hero ball, missing assignments on defense, etc. They are. But it's the occasional lapse of judgment, mental mistake, and--in Brown's case--emotional immaturity of letting the last play affect the next play. But Scary Terry has decided to operate outside the agreed framework, and he needs to go.

They should and can get a handle on Kyrie's emotional state. If not, then I'll join the chorus of people questioning Brad's management and Danny's roster-building. But my expectation is that it will get worked out among professionals.
 

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The reason teams like veterans I think is because veterans know more or less what they can do and what they can't do and they stick to that framework. With vets, they more or less know their role and stick to it.

And in the playoffs, last year's Cs team had pretty well defined roles and stuck to them. They got the best possible draw, went to the finals, but I don't think anyone thought they were good enough to win it all.

This year, there are four or more players trying to expand their games: JT, JB, Rozier, and GH. (In a lot of ways, GH is like a second year guy right now because he's still trying to figure out what he can or can't do.) That also happens to be our second unit. The problem with the second unit is that there is no structure. Even Semi when he comes off the bench is noticeably trying to be more aggressive in shooting and scoring.

Like last night when ORL was on their 16-1 (or whatever it was) run. You could tell that guys were saying, "It's my turn to shoot" or "I'm going to stop the run myself". They took turns taking shots; most of the shots were not good shots; and all of the shots missed for about 3 minutes and that really was the game there. That's not the first time this has happened.

I don't know what Brad does about it. My guess is that DA doesn't give away TRoz for next-to-nothing because when has he ever done that and what team is going to give up an asset of value for him? Hopefully, however, Brad is giving everyone a long leash because he's trying to keep people happy but when it comes to the stretch run/playoffs, his rotation tightens. He can't play 9 guys for 20+ minutes in the playoffs, can he?
 

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Kyrie was ripshit because he wanted the ball for the last shot. If you watched the game, he was in Brad's face as the timeout broke up, pointing at the whiteboard and practically screaming at him. He wanted the ball, thinks that he's the right guy to take that shot, and he's right. Now, that doesn't mean that he should be bitching before the shot, right after the shot bricks out, or in postgame interviews--clearly he shouldn't. But that was him telling Brad publicly, "I'm your best player. That shot is mine. You're an idiot for drawing up something that doesn't end up with the ball in my hands."
I'm still confused by what happened on that last play. Based on what Gordon Hayward said, it sounded like the play that was drawn up was a pass to Al, then Kyrie takes off in a sprint and Al passes/hands off to him. It was the same look they used in Phoenix earlier in the year. But instead, Gordon passed it to Tatum. Gordon said after the game that's what Kyrie was mad about.

When I was watching the play, I initially thought Gordon was supposed to crash to the hoop after passing to Tatum and receive a give and go back from Tatum, and I thought he didn't crash hard enough, and that's why Kyrie got mad, but I guess that's not the case. However, if you believe Hayward, Kyrie was supposed to end up with the ball, so I'm not sure why Kyrie was mad at Brad when they broke the huddle?
 

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Hopefully, however, Brad is giving everyone a long leash because he's trying to keep people happy but when it comes to the stretch run/playoffs, his rotation tightens. He can't play 9 guys for 20+ minutes in the playoffs, can he?
I've been beating this drum in the game threads for a long time now. No, he absolutely cannot play a 9 man, 20 minute rotation come the playoffs. Frankly, he needs to stop doing it right NOW, IMO. Terry Rozier should not have been on the court in a game that wasn't decided last night, for 17 minutes. And Kyrie Irving and Tatum and Morris need to be playing more than 31-33 minutes a night in games that aren't blowouts.

Early in the year, everyone shouted me down about how Brad is trying to figure out his rotations, and he's trying to keep guys rested, and he'd rather lose a game in the regular season than have guys wear down in the playoffs, etc.

Well, Kyrie, who leads the team in minutes, is averaging 32.1 minutes per game, which has him tied for 46th in the league. He's tied with Harrison Barnes, and is behind guys like Tim Hardaway Jr. and Kyle Kuzma. Tatum is #2 on the C's at 31.0 per game, tied with DeAndre Ayton for 64th in the NBA. Horford is #3 at 28.1, tied for 98th with Ibaka and Rodney McGruder. Morris is #4 at 27.4, tied for 108th with Kent Bazemore.

Meanwhile, a team like Golden State has Durant in 7th in overall minutes in the NBA, Curry and Klay are tied for 17th, Draymond is tied for 58th. Houston has Harden at #1, Tucker at #13, Capela at #27, Gordon at #38. Toronto has Kawhi at #15, Lowry at #32, Siakam at #68 (and they have arguably the deepest bench in basketball).

I think this all goes back to the concept of the Celtics lacking defined roles. Every night, they don't have any idea how many minutes they are going to play, and the guys who deserve the most minutes are being "rested." It's time to start playing the guys who deserve to play 35 minutes a night, and the rest of the guys are just traditional bench players, who come in for matchups, foul trouble, breathers, etc. and they get their 10-15 minutes and call it day.

Oh, and get Rozier the fuck out of town.
 

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I'm still confused by what happened on that last play. Based on what Gordon Hayward said, it sounded like the play that was drawn up was a pass to Al, then Kyrie takes off in a sprint and Al passes/hands off to him. It was the same look they used in Phoenix earlier in the year. But instead, Gordon passed it to Tatum. Gordon said after the game that's what Kyrie was mad about.

When I was watching the play, I initially thought Gordon was supposed to crash to the hoop after passing to Tatum and receive a give and go back from Tatum, and I thought he didn't crash hard enough, and that's why Kyrie got mad, but I guess that's not the case. However, if you believe Hayward, Kyrie was supposed to end up with the ball, so I'm not sure why Kyrie was mad at Brad when they broke the huddle?
I think there were multiple options: JT or the Al/Kyrie handoff. https://clutchpoints.com/celtics-news-brad-stevens-says-kyrie-irving-option-final-play/

Kyrie was probably saying, "Put the ball in my hands and I'll get it done."
 

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I believe these are some of the full quotes from Kyrie last night. Source: https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/13/kyrie-irving-on-celtics-ups-and-downs-what-are-we-doing-here/

We can’t be comfortable being in fifth. I’m not comfortable in it so now I go back and really rework things and try to think about how I attack the next day, but the frustration is still inside of me, you know? I’m a competitor, you know?
and

Experience. It’s the best thing I can say is experience. We’re lacking it, and because of that, we have a lot of learning to do. So we have a lot of ground to make up in that aspect. It gets tough. When it gets hard, you’ve got to think. You’ve got to do the right things. You can’t gamble and think that it’s going to be the winning play. You’ve got to be able to play the full 48 minutes, no matter what’s going on, and hold your head high when you make mistakes, and when your job is called upon, you’ve got to do it to the best of your ability. You’ve got to come in and make an impact for the minutes that you’re playing out there. You’ve got to appreciate being out there and just competing. It doesn’t matter who you’re going against. It matters the type of preparation you have, what you’re going out and trying to accomplish.


What’s the big picture? What are we doing here? These are the things I don’t think some of my teammates have faced of just every single day. It’s not easy to be great. So the things you’re doing, that you’ve done your entire career of being able to coast by in certain situations and you’ve gotten away with your youth and stuff like that, being on a championship ball club, you can’t get away with that. You see the fans going crazy. You see it gets loud.


I know from the majority of the fact that we’re better than most teams in this league. It’s just going out and proving it every single night and demanding it and actually showing it. So until we do that every single night, and realize our depth is a positive, and all the wishes and could haves and should have done that, once that goes out the window, then we’ll be better. But until then, we’re going to keep having these ups and downs and these lulls of going against teams on the road and they just know they can take advantage of us down the stretch, or when this group is in or that’s group out. It has to be a cohesion. I’ve got to be better as a leader of the team as doing so and making sure these guys have more experience in certain situations like that, being more communicative. So I put it on me of just being better, so.
 

The Needler

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Rozier needs to go because he sucks donkey dick. I've been saying this for weeks. It's not just the 0-for. The offense falls apart when he comes in. The defense falls apart when he comes in. Kyrie is outperforming him on defense this year. Kyrie. If you're a guard, that's embarrassing.
Rozier sucks, but Kyrie is outperforming a strong majority of point guards defensively this season. If you don’t want to buy into advanced metrics (like DRPM, where he’s top 10 among PG), his traditional stats like steals and blocks are all the best of his career. And his hustle numbers are consistent with a greatly increased effort and focus defensively. He’s averaging 2.4 (up from 2.0 last year) deflections, 1.9 loose balls recovered (from 1.3), and .24 charges taken per game (from .10).
 

Big John

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It's easy to blame Rozier, but he's not the only issue. Aside from the overdribbling on offense, they're undersized, especially with Horford's minutes restriction and Baynes' broken hand. Also they do not have a real sniper off the bench. Last night the second unit (mostly) went over 5 minutes in the first half without a field goal.
 

benhogan

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Dallas just lost JJ Barea. Memphis recently lost Dillon Brooks.

Hopefully, the injury bug continues and Danny can find a WC playoff hopeful that needs a guard w/playoff experience. Any flotsam and jetsam will do, this is addition by subtraction. I'd take Yogi or Frank Mason from Sacramento for Rozier at this point.

Getting rid of Rozier does not equate to more or ANY minutes to Wannamaker (unless he pulls a Larkin and earns them). Those minutes could easily get spread out to the rest of the rotation. mcpickl has banged the drum pretty loud for a while on this and I agree.
 

mcpickl

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Whether anyone wants Wanamaker running the second unit or not that is who Brad has called on in two of the three games Kyrie has been out (when Rozier started) since Smart moved into the starting lineup with 22 and 18 minutes in those respective games.
They weren't just missing Kyrie in the two games Wanamaker player big minutes.

They were missing multiple rotation players in each one.

The first Kyrie/Baynes/Horford/Hayward were all out.

The second Kyrie/Baynes/Morris were all out.

The other two games Kyrie missed this year, it was just Kyrie missing in one, just Kyrie/Baynes the other. Wanamaker played 0 and the last 3 minutes of a blowout.

So removing Rozier doesn't put Wanamaker in the rotation. You'd have to remove Rozier and two other rotation players to get to that point. Not a big worry for me.

And that's assuming Rozier is traded without a player coming back.