Celtics hire Ime Udoka as HC

[PedroKsBambino]

The only explanation—other than incompetence—for running Tatum and sometimes Brown into the ground each game is that Ime believes they aren’t in top-tier condition and he’s trying to make a point.

Given the lack of an offensive system (which I hope everyone recognizes now) and the chaotic and inconsistent substation pattern overall—vacillating between developing PP, RL, AN and benching them on a game by game basis—I don’t have much confidence there’s a long-term objective to overplaying the stars. I fear this is the learning process of a first time coach who hasn’t figured out how to lead, make choices, and navigate complicated player dynamics.

I was a fan of the hire and it is super early to make a judgment but there simply isn’t any data to date which suggests he can do the job at an even average level. I sure hope that changes…

 

[Eddie Jurak]

The only explanation—other than incompetence—for running Tatum and sometimes Brown into the ground each game is that Ime believes they aren’t in top-tier condition and he’s trying to make a point.

Given the lack of an offensive system (which I hope everyone recognizes now) and the chaotic and inconsistent substation pattern overall—vacillating between developing PP, RL, AN and benching them on a game by game basis—I don’t have much confidence there’s a long-term objective to overplaying the stars. I fear this is the learning process of a first time coach who hasn’t figured out how to lead, make choices, and navigate complicated player dynamics.

I was a fan of the hire and it is super early to make a judgment but there simply isn’t any data to date which suggests he can do the job at an even average level. I sure hope that changes…

Some coaches, and especially first inexperienced first year ones, approach coaching with a wholly tactical focus at the expense of strategy. Too much of the focus is on winning the next game, or winning the next minute or even play, and not over maximizing the team's ability to win over a whole season.

There is a whole lot of distance between "coach every minute as though if you lose it will be your last" and "the Process."

A good team should have some strategic focus on how to build for the intermediate future. By which I mean, not just the season or two after this one, but also for the end of this season. Right now, the Celtics have none of that.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

This is great. Celtics were playing with the best 2 players on the court against a crap opponent without their best player. At home. Up 11 with 7 mins to go.

And the issue is the roster? Cmon. Last night, the issue wasn’t the roster. The issue, once again, was the Jay’s not playing well down the stretch while their in-over-his-head HC stood there watching blindly.

They are 11-9 vs teams with records under .500. It's 22/30 in the NBA and 12/15 in the east. The teams worse are the ones you'd expect.

Every team ahead of them in the standings is like 2-3 games better vs teams under .500.

They aren't winning the games they should be winning.... and most of those games they had a pretty comfortably lead in the 4th.

Ime doesn't adjust. You can predict how every game is going to end up. C's start slow and fall behind by a decent margin. C's slowly chip away and by the 4th quarter, they are up double digits. Then they just piss it away. We all focus on the end of the game but maybe part of the problem is the beginning of the game. They fall behind and then have to waste energy playing catch up for the next 2 quarters.

I don't get it. For them to chip away at the lead and get a run... Ime makes adjustments. He just stops in the 4th.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Some coaches, and especially first inexperienced first year ones, approach coaching with a wholly tactical focus at the expense of strategy. Too much of the focus is on winning the next game, or winning the next minute or even play, and not over maximizing the team's ability to win over a whole season.

There is a whole lot of distance between "coach every minute as though if you lose it will be your last" and "the Process."

A good team should have some strategic focus on how to build for the intermediate future. By which I mean, not just the season or two after this one, but also for the end of this season. Right now, the Celtics have none of that.

I agree. If I were guessing, he started off trying to put in a system at both ends and play kids more. As team lost, and likely there was pressure internally, he’s become reactive—-more vets; more minutes for stars; and using each game what worked the prior game rather than as part of some 40-80 game development plan

its Gotta change

 

[Cesar Crespo]

I agree. If I were guessing, he started off trying to put in a system at both ends and play kids more. As team lost, and likely there was pressure internally, he’s become reactive—-more vets; more minutes for stars; and using each game what worked the prior game rather than as part of some 40-80 game development plan

its Gotta change

To be fair to Ime, the youth sucks and hasn't really forced their way into playing time. The one that has (Grant), has been playing.

Whether people want to admit it or not, part of the problem is the shallow roster. It's the coach and the talent.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

To be fair to Ime, the youth sucks and hasn't really forced their way into playing time. The one that has (Grant), has been playing.

Whether people want to admit it or not, part of the problem is the shallow roster. It's the coach and the talent.

Did Langford suck last night? Did Nesmith suck on MLK day? These guys have more to contribute than what Ime has gotten out of them, and that is to his detriment.

 

[reggiecleveland]

The "stars aren't hitting shots" thing drives me nuts. It's the coach's job to put players in a position to hit them. Endless desperate ISOs are low percentage and a sign the coach isn't doing that very well (a simplification). Driving 1 on 5 is not inherently a player's fault.

This is the chicken or the egg scenario. Which problem is creating the other problem? Is the players bad play forcing the coahes hand, or is the new atmosphere messing with the player's rythym? Really hard to tell. But if I am running the experiment, the variable that will change is not going to be Tatum.

I’m not saying Scal is some kind of basketball savant, but he’s been on NBA staffs and is clearly highly networked and studies the game and he’s pretty clearly baffled by Ime.

Even small things like the very last free throws last night - he was like, hey, Ime, get your bigs in for the potential rebound, and then it seemed to occur to Ime and in they came.

Good point.
If we started comparing hoops knowledge Scal would take us to the woodshed like he did those guys who wanted to play him 1 on 1.
More telling to me is how often Scal talks about "energy" and "playing hard" and the lack of running game. He has talked about how certain lineups last night were playing with energy. I don't have time to watch much this year, but even in high lights when there is fast break hoop you will hear Scal "Mike this is what i was saying they need to get running."

 

[bigq]

The only explanation—other than incompetence—for running Tatum and sometimes Brown into the ground each game is that Ime believes they aren’t in top-tier condition and he’s trying to make a point.

Can't tell if this is a sarcastic comment. I don't think Ime is overplaying his stars.

NBA top five in minutes per game are:

38.1 Fred VanVleet
37.0 James Harden
36.8 Jayson Tatum
36.6 LeBron James
36.5 Kevin Durant

Jaylen Brown is 15th at 34.8.

Neither Tatum or Brown show signs of being out of shape to me and with respect to running players into the ground I would be more concerned about Harden (playing into shape with big minutes may be a real thing with him), James and Durant given their age.

A big difference between Tatum and the other members of the top five is shooting. Tatum is the worst of the bunch in FG% and 3P% and this season he is at career lows for both. He simply stinks relative to his prior shooting performance standard and as Tatum goes, so goes the team. Maybe something is broken with Tatum however I think Ime's best path to success is to continue to lean heavily on him and Brown because they are his best options by a wide margin.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Can't tell if this is a sarcastic comment. I don't think Ime is overplaying his stars.

NBA top five in minutes per game are:

38.1 Fred VanVleet
37.0 James Harden
36.8 Jayson Tatum
36.6 LeBron James
36.5 Kevin Durant

Jaylen Brown is 15th at 34.8.

Neither Tatum or Brown show signs of being out of shape to me and with respect to running players into the ground I would be more concerned about Harden (playing into shape with big minutes may be a real thing with him), James and Durant given their age.

A big difference between Tatum and the other members of the top five is shooting. Tatum is the worst of the bunch in FG% and 3P% and this season he is at career lows for both. He simply stinks relative to his prior shooting performance standard and as Tatum goes, so goes the team. Maybe something is broken with Tatum however I think Ime's best path to success is to continue to lean heavily on him and Brown because they are his best options by a wide margin.

It's not the end minute totals but how long he keeps certain players on the court. I think there was a stretch where Romeo was on the court for like 13 straight minutes.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Some coaches, and especially first inexperienced first year ones, approach coaching with a wholly tactical focus at the expense of strategy. Too much of the focus is on winning the next game, or winning the next minute or even play, and not over maximizing the team's ability to win over a whole season.

There is a whole lot of distance between "coach every minute as though if you lose it will be your last" and "the Process."

A good team should have some strategic focus on how to build for the intermediate future. By which I mean, not just the season or two after this one, but also for the end of this season. Right now, the Celtics have none of that.

Sure this could be used against a guy like Thibs who does have a history of short-term expense at the expense of the big picture…….but how can you point to this when Ime HASN’T had short term success? How bad would this team be without that sense of urgency to win each game when we are .500 WITH this approach?

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Can't tell if this is a sarcastic comment. I don't think Ime is overplaying his stars.

NBA top five in minutes per game are:

38.1 Fred VanVleet
37.0 James Harden
36.8 Jayson Tatum
36.6 LeBron James
36.5 Kevin Durant

Jaylen Brown is 15th at 34.8.

Neither Tatum or Brown show signs of being out of shape to me and with respect to running players into the ground I would be more concerned about Harden (playing into shape with big minutes may be a real thing with him), James and Durant given their age.

A big difference between Tatum and the other members of the top five is shooting. Tatum is the worst of the bunch in FG% and 3P% and this season he is at career lows for both. He simply stinks relative to his prior shooting performance standard and as Tatum goes, so goes the team. Maybe something is broken with Tatum however I think Ime's best path to success is to continue to lean heavily on him and Brown because they are his best options by a wide margin.

I said the same in other thread. There is nothing wrong with Tatum’s minites especially in a non-B2B game. It’s a cop-out excuse for his poor shooting.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

How bad would this team be without that sense of urgency to win each game when we are .500 WITH this approach?

Honestly, they'd probably be a lot better. That approach is probably costing them games in the 4th quarter.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Honestly, they'd probably be a lot better. That approach is probably costing them games in the 4th quarter.

There is zero evidence to support this claim that Tatum will makes his shots with 36 min rather than 39 under his belt. Is he too tired during his 0-5 1Q’s after an off day too?

 

[Cesar Crespo]

There is zero evidence to support this claim that Tatum will makes his shots with 36 min rather than 39 under his belt. Is he too tired during his 0-5 1Q’s after an off day too?

Zero evidence to support that he wouldn't.

And there is evidence, actually. It's called the last 4 seasons of his career, when he was making those shots in the 4th quarter. It's also not just Tatum.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Zero evidence to support that he wouldn't.

Yes, that’s exactly my point…..which is why claiming this as a reason for underperformance is ridiculous imo.

And there is evidence, actually. It's called the last 4 seasons of his career.

What would that be? Shooting percentages across the league take a drastic dip during “Clutch” minutes late in games due to the defenses ramping up their urgency, timeouts to game plan stops, etc. It wasn’t only Tatum the prior 3 years.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Yes, that’s exactly my point…..which is why claiming this as a reason for underperformance is ridiculous imo.

There's the last 4 years. Less minutes, better play.

Coincidence or?

 

[HomeRunBaker]

There's the last 4 years. Less minutes, better play.

Coincidence or?

At what expense? There is a price in putting inferior players on the floor for greater than appt minutes over the course of the game. It’s about the team and playing to the score….not about individual numbers.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

At what expense? There is a price in putting inferior players on the floor for greater than appt minutes over the course of the game. It’s about the team and playing to the score….not about individual numbers.

So you are saying talent is an issue? I agree 100%. The talent on this team is not that great. They should probably punt on this year and look ahead to 2022/23.

This team isn't going anywhere if Tatum is playing 33 minutes a game or 40 minutes a game because they aren't good. Mostly because of all those inferior players they have.

What is the reward for playing Tatum 40 minutes a game? A 23-24 record? SWEEEEEEEEEEET. They may not even make the play in game.

 

[bigq]

It's not the end minute totals but how long he keeps certain players on the court. I think there was a stretch where Romeo was on the court for like 13 straight minutes.

Yeah I don't know how to assess substitutions and what optimum consecutive minutes played looks like for any given player. Looks like Rotowire has some interesting data.

Ime may very well be poor at overall roster management however 13 consecutive minutes played, while not ideal, should be do-able from time to time for a well conditioned non-big in the NBA. At the risk of referencing data from different eras Pierce, Bird and even Garnett had dozens of games where they logged >40 minutes. Tough to do that without playing stretches of 10+ consecutive minutes in a given game.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Yeah I don't know how to assess substitutions and what optimum consecutive minutes played looks like for any given player. Looks like Rotowire has some interesting data.

Ime may very well be poor at overall roster management however 13 consecutive minutes played, while not ideal, should be do-able from time to time for a well conditioned non-big in the NBA. At the risk of referencing data from different eras Pierce, Bird and even Garnett had dozens of games where they logged >40 minutes. Tough to do that without playing stretches of 10+ consecutive minutes in a given game.

Right, time to time isn't bad. It doesn't appear to be time to time with Ime. He'll go with players for long stretches without breaks. Then they will get a pretty long break, which keeps their minute totals around NBA norms.

Or at least that's what I've noticed.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

So you are saying talent is an issue? I agree 100%. The talent on this team is not that great. They should probably punt on this year and look ahead to 2022/23.

This team isn't going anywhere if Tatum is playing 33 minutes a game or 40 minutes a game because they aren't good. Mostly because of all those inferior players they have.

What is the reward for playing Tatum 40 minutes a game? A 23-24 record? SWEEEEEEEEEEET. They may not even make the play in game.

If second unit talent is an issue yes I would expect the coach to play his starters more especially if the team is struggling. That’s competing for wins and the culture you set. Imagine how players would respond to a coach who implies, “Yeah our bench stinks so I’m gonna play them more bc it doesn’t matter anyway.” No star player wants to be playing 33 min in an NBA while sitting on the bench for nearly a third of the game…..especially a young star. I’m gonna have to post Herm Edwards again aren’t I.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

If second unit talent is an issue yes I would expect the coach to play his starters more especially if the team is struggling. That’s competing for wins and the culture you set. Imagine how players would respond to a coach who implies, “Yeah our bench stinks so I’m gonna play them more bc it doesn’t matter anyway.” No star player wants to be playing 33 min in an NBA while sitting on the bench for nearly a third of the game…..especially a young star. I’m gonna have to post Herm Edwards again aren’t I.

But they aren't winning. So running the same players into the ground to get the same results (losses) is good coaching? Ok.

The results are going to be the same regardless. How many 4th quarter collapses do you have to watch?

 

[HomeRunBaker]

But they aren't winning. So running the same players into the ground to get the same results (losses) is good coaching? Ok.

The results are going to be the same regardless. How many 4th quarter collapses do you have to watch?

You’re assuming the 4Q collapse was caused by fatigue and not from lack of execution, poor lineup construction and other factors. Jaylen was awful and played 35 minutes. How is this even a discussion about running him into the ground when he’s as fresh as anyone from time off AND the team wasn’t on a B2B? Those are not heavy min for an NBA star. I’d argue that 41 isn’t either in a non-B2B…..that’s normal star usage.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

You’re assuming the 4Q collapse was caused by fatigue and not from lack of execution, poor lineup construction and other factors. Jaylen was awful and played 35 minutes. How is this even a discussion about running him into the ground when he’s as fresh as anyone from time off AND the team wasn’t on a B2B? Those are not heavy min for an NBA star. I’d argue that 41 isn’t either in a non-B2B…..that’s normal star usage.

I think it's fatigue, lack of execution, poor lineup construction and other factors. You are assuming fatigue plays no role at all.

I think it's just as much Brad's fault as Ime's fault too . If it's more of the same next year, they need to get rid of Stevens and Ime. This is especially true if Stevens was really in charge of the Ime hiring.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

I think it's fatigue, lack of execution, poor lineup construction and other factors. You are assuming fatigue plays no role at all.

I think it's just as much Brad's fault as Ime's fault too . If it's more of the same next year, they need to get rid of Stevens and Ime. This is especially true if Stevens was really in charge of the Ime hiring.

Portland had 4 starters who played more than Jaylen’s 35 minutes and it was their 4th road game in a week. C’mon man.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Portland had 4 starters who played more than Jaylen’s 35 minutes and it was their 4th road game in a week. C’mon man.

You use one player and one game to support your cause. It's a year long thing. C'mon man. It's like it leads to gradual wear and tear, rather than over night wear and tear.

Agree to disagree. Fatigue matters. You can see the Bulls team starting to break down right now. Shocking.

 

[Auger34]

I said the same in other thread. There is nothing wrong with Tatum’s minites especially in a non-B2B game. It’s a cop-out excuse for his poor shooting.

Did you watch the game last night? Because there was clearly a drop off in energy or plan from Tatum in particular in the last 5 minutes of the game. It wasn’t just poor shooting. It was esssntially walking the ball up, pounding the ball leisurely for a while then throwing up contested jumpers.

I don’t know the answer but I really hope it’s fatigue because the other possibilities are much worse

 

[PedroKsBambino]

There is zero evidence to support this claim that Tatum will makes his shots with 36 min rather than 39 under his belt. Is he too tired during his 0-5 1Q’s after an off day too?

the observation I have is it’s less total minutes than consecutive minutes that is an issue

 

[Strike4]

The thing that drive me nuts about last night was the lead was 11 with Grant Williams, Pritchard, Horford, Tatum and Langford. They were playing with confidence and holding the lead. Why sub starters back in? Why not give Tatum a breather and sub in Richardson? They put in Brown and Robert Williams and things immediately went south.

 

[benhogan]

Portland had 4 starters who played more than Jaylen’s 35 minutes and it was their 4th road game in a week. C’mon man.

Go back and watch the last 7 minutes or better yet the last 30 seconds (or the dozen Q4 collapses this season - it's the same script) Tatum couldn't turn the corner on Nurkic in a 1pt game and had to settle for a step-back 3. While over the first 35mins Tatum easily passed him or drew a foul. Add in the continuous minutes + asking him to be the main ballhandler also. Dude was gassed.

IME has asked Tatum/Bown to turn up the defense every possession, all game long, while playing them career-high mpg. Their shooting/TOs will reflect that in Q4. It's why Harden can play huge minutes, he rarely plays D and Nash surrounds him with kids that will hustle on D.

IME is a rookie HC with zero experience as a Head Coach, he's learning on the job.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Go back and watch the last 7 minutes or better yet the last 30 seconds (or the dozen Q4 collapses this season - it's the same script) Tatum couldn't turn the corner on Nurkic in a 1pt game and had to settle for a step-back 3. While over the first 35mins Tatum easily passed him or drew a foul.

IME has asked Tatum/Bown to turn up the defense every possession, all game long, while playing them career-high mpg. Their shooting/TOs will reflect that in Q4. It's why Harden can play huge minutes, he rarely plays D and Nash surrounds him with kids that will hustle on D.

IME is a rookie HC with zero experience as a Head Coach, he's learning on the job.

Like I said and someone else, it's not even so much the minutes. It's the consecutive minutes.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

Sure this could be used against a guy like Thibs who does have a history of short-term expense at the expense of the big picture…….but how can you point to this when Ime HASN’T had short term success? How bad would this team be without that sense of urgency to win each game when we are .500 WITH this approach?

You are responding to me here, but in no place did I argue that they should play "with no sense of urgency." It's a false choice.

 

[reggiecleveland]

The thing that drive me nuts about last night was the lead was 11 with Grant Williams, Pritchard, Horford, Tatum and Langford. They were playing with confidence and holding the lead. Why sub starters back in? Why not give Tatum a breather and sub in Richardson? They put in Brown and Robert Williams and things immediately went south.

Who did the Trailblazers sub in?

 

[Deathofthebambino]

Who did the Trailblazers sub in?

Basically, nobody, but the Blazers went on a 20-5 run in the last 7 minutes.

I think the onus to make some changes should be on the team that is on the wrong end of a 20-5 run, but YMMV.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

The thing that drive me nuts about last night was the lead was 11 with Grant Williams, Pritchard, Horford, Tatum and Langford. They were playing with confidence and holding the lead. Why sub starters back in? Why not give Tatum a breather and sub in Richardson? They put in Brown and Robert Williams and things immediately went south.

Not quite true. The lineup that built the 11 point lead went about 2.5 minutes without scoring before Ime made any subs.

 

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

Not quite true. The lineup that built the 11 point lead went about 2.5 minutes without scoring before Ime made any subs.

Yeah, that unit looked gassed. I know multiple of us were asking for JB and TL back. JB was awful in the 4Q. That I don’t have an explanation for - awful shot selection, non-finishes, erratic, over-helping defense. Just had a bad quarter.

I was hoping we’d get TL flashing to the free throw line and then have Tatum and others cutting past him, but Tatum wouldn’t give the ball up until the clock was down to 10.

The players are not blameless, but it was just very unclear what the plan might be.

 

[chilidawg]

There is zero evidence to support this claim that Tatum will makes his shots with 36 min rather than 39 under his belt. Is he too tired during his 0-5 1Q’s after an off day too?

Zero evidence to support any of his posts.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Zero evidence to support any of his posts.

There's zero evidence to support his and then he complains about things no one says.

Sorry I was right about Romeo Langford's 3 point shot and we didn't need 200 attempts though. Keep trolling me for it.

 

[chilidawg]

There's zero evidence to support his and then he complains about things no one says.

Sorry I was right about Romeo Langford's 3 point shot and we didn't need 200 attempts though. Keep trolling me for it.

Your endless arguing turns thread after thread into a yes it is/no it isn't shit show. I know you can do better.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Your endless arguing turns thread after thread into a yes it is/no it isn't shit show. I know you can do better.

Yes, I'm the reason threads turn into yes it is/no it isn't shit shows and not every poster on this board. We haven't all been discussing the same shit since the beginning of the season.

Ok, dude. Your posts are adding so much to the thread too. Why not call him out for his shit posts?

Because you are mad about Romeo Langford. Keep trolling me though. That adds a ton of value to the board. 200!

You can do better too. And maybe don't hold grudges against posters, yeah? It's a message board, get over my opinion of Romeo Langford that proved to be right.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Anyway, is there any site that does by minute stats?

I'm curious how Jayson Tatum plays between minutes 1-20, 20-30, 30-40, 40+. I can't even find quarter splits.

I'd guess after a certain minutes thresh hold, there would be a decline in play.


Seems like it's something that should actually have some proof, even if it's SSS.

 

[bigq]

It is interesting to discuss potential reasons for the Celtics poor performance and coaching is a good place to look. Ime may or may not be a good coach but his alpha under performing is the first and foremost reason for the team's struggles. I don't know how Ime fixes that. The conventional wisdom is that a good shooter will go through rough stretches and the solution to that is to let them continue to shoot their way out of it.

 

[benhogan]

Anyway, is there any site that does by minute stats?

I'm curious how Jayson Tatum plays between minutes 1-20, 20-30, 30-40, 40+. I can't even find quarter splits.

I'd guess after a certain minutes thresh hold, there would be a decline in play.


Seems like it's something that should actually have some proof, even if it's SSS.

from the Forsberg article

Boston is 4-10 in Tatum's highest-minutes games this season, including seven eight losses by five points or less.
(it got worse after including last nights crap)

excessive Tatum minutes isn't leading to more wins.

I could have sworn a few weeks ago that IME said he was going to change the end of game actions away from the slow the pace down to a crawl/ISO/PG Tatum? BUT that is exactly what IME ran when he put the ball in JTs hands over the last 7 minutes.

He's Boston's best player, just like Pedro was our best pitcher in 2003. Good HC's/managers know how to use the entire roster.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Did you watch the game last night? Because there was clearly a drop off in energy or plan from Tatum in particular in the last 5 minutes of the game. It wasn’t just poor shooting. It was esssntially walking the ball up, pounding the ball leisurely for a while then throwing up contested jumpers.

I don’t know the answer but I really hope it’s fatigue because the other possibilities are much worse

Lack of energy doesn’t always equate to fatigue. The Blazers defense tightened up, the game slowed to a crawl, and we had nobody on the floor to initiate the offense. Everyone on the floor was outside of their comfort zone playing clutch minutes without a guard on the floor to initiate/lead.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

There's zero evidence to support his and then he complains about things no one says.

Sorry I was right about Romeo Langford's 3 point shot and we didn't need 200 attempts though. Keep trolling me for it.

What was it about Romeo’s 3-point shooting were you right about……that he would shoot 50% early on sss, go through a 5-28 stretch or that he’s shouting 40% on them since?

 

[reggiecleveland]

What was it about Romeo’s 3-point shooting were you right about……that he would shoot 50% early on sss, go through a 5-28 stretch or that he’s shouting 40% on them since?

Don't Lugo the bad stats Evann.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

from the Forsberg article

Boston is 4-10 in Tatum's highest-minutes games this season, including seven eight losses by five points or less.
(it got worse after including last nights crap)

excessive Tatum minutes isn't leading to more wins.

This stat has a cause and effect problem. Tatum's high minutes could be either. His minutes are going to tend to be lowest in games the Celtics win or lose easily.

I'm more interested in what Ime was doing with Schroder in that game.

Schroder played the first quarter, then sat the entire second. For the first 3 minutes PP was in and the Celtics struggled, then Ime went no-PG and the Celtics dominated, outscoring Phoenix 30-14 the rest of the way to take a lead.

Then Schroder was back and played the first 10 minutes of the third, during which the Celtics fell behind again.

Then Schroder sat for the next ~7 minutes as the Celtics came from behind and built up an 11-point lead and then sat for the next ~7 minutes after that as the Celtics gave it away. Then he was in for some offense/defense substitutions in the final 30 seconds.

Was there a plan to all of that or was that purely Ime making decisions in the moment?

 

[lovegtm]

Did Langford suck last night? Did Nesmith suck on MLK day? These guys have more to contribute than what Ime has gotten out of them, and that is to his detriment.

People want Miami-level player development, but Miami actually plays their guys and develops them.

Same thing in Toronto. It's not like playing guys to develop them is this insane strategy that no good team ever tries.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

People want Miami-level player development, but Miami actually plays their guys and develops them.

Same thing in Toronto. It's not like playing guys to develop them is this insane strategy that no good team ever tries.

Yep. It is not the big ask (or concession to losing) people make it out to be. I kind of wonder, if Miami had drafted Langford, would he have established himself by now. And if we had drafted Herro would he not have?

 

[Petagine in a Bottle]

I think it’s difficult to give consistent playing time to guys who are routinely not available. Langford and now Nesmith seem to always be injured, which is likely as big a factor in their lack of development as anything else.