Not sure it qualifies as "great shooting," but Horford's career percentage of 36.4 from beyond the arc is more than respectable.
+1.
Yeah, coachspeak is funny to hear. Even funnier from Tatum and Brown’s perspective hearing their new coach tell them to allow for worse scorers to try and score the ball like this is a rah-rah Big-10 team. At the end of the day we know Tatum and Brown are iso scorers and that is what they are going to do.
Sure, but even iso scorers need to be able to make plays for other guys. It's not like Udoka wants them to run a bunch of iso plays for Josh Richardson while Tatum and Brown stand in the corner. He wants them to be able to make the right read, after they beat their man off the dribble and the defense collapses around them. The team may not have great shooters, but they have plenty of guys capable of knocking down open jump shots. But they can't create those shots if Tatum and Brown don't move the ball better.
That's fine. They are good at it. As long as they dont begin the iso with 20 seconds left on the shot clock . . . .
This is why I want Schroeder with the first unit to initiate the offense inside of 30 feet which can create other actions by forcing the defense to retreat. When Smart brings the ball over halfcourt it typically results in Tatum or Jaylen extend 30-35 feet from the basket to accept the pass against pressure which limits their options.
I think there is a disconnect to what an iso actually is. An iso isn’t necessarily a one-on-one penetration but also includes jumpers in those same isolated matchups which is a large part of both of their games.
you may need to warm up to NesmithSummer coach-speak?
“Ton of great shooters?”
Do post-ups count as isolations? I think they are recorded as separate "post-ups" in the tracking data, but both Tatum and Brown are very capable skill-wise in exploiting a switch onto a smaller defender and punishing them back-to-the-basket. It's one of the reasons spacing from the non-J players is so important, as well as having people who can recognize the mismatch and throw good entry passes.
I’m almost positive nba.com includes those jumpers as part of their isolation numbers.
Post ups are separate on nba.com, Jaylen does it 3.6% of the time and is in the 54th percentile. Tatum does it 8.3% of the time and is in the 48th percentile.
ha. we'll need a "predictions thread" this year, we did one two seasons ago (you crushed the win totals until COVID struck).I refuse to root for injuries
22% of his offense is in transition, which is around Giannis/Westbrook territory. 21% of it is as a spot up guy, 15% is the PnR ball handler, 10% running off of screens, and 10% in dribble handoffs.
15.2% as PnR ballhandler,
Just one point. Richardson is just about exactly an average 3 point shooter. Has shot better than league average 3 times, under league average 3 times. His 35.8% three point average is just a tiny bit below the league average for the past 6 years of 35.9%
I don’t know what happened to his game but when he was in Miami he was so much more than a 3-point shooter. He was a legit 2-way borderline All-Star at age 24/25.
AKAIK, once: Elgin Baylor / Jerry West in 61/62:
I choose to assume that what this quote actually means is that Udoka knows something about Robert Williams that nobody else does.Summer coach-speak?
“Ton of great shooters?”
I would love PP and Nesmith to spend a few hours watching Ray Allen or Reggie Miller move without the ball. Those two guys would run miles every game, literally running circles around the offensive halfcourt off of 3, 4, 5 screens. It must have been exhausting for their opponents. And it should naturally open up lanes for other options, drives, cuts, backdoor moves, etc. Too much Celtic offense lately has been 1 or 2 players locked into the corners, turning the rest of the offense into 3v5.
RayRay and Reggie were primary scorers. Pritchard and Nesmith won't need to work that hard as they'll be playing off of the JayCrew. I guarantee you that the Celtics will run exactly zero double or triple screens for their outlet shooters next year. Their job is to move to daylight as the defenses collapse around Tatum and Brown. And when you have those two guys there will always be loads of daylight.
That isn’t their role in the offense though. In a lineup with Tatum and Jaylen they are each going to be weak side spot up shooters when they are on the floor as the shot creators create. Pritchard of course will have additional responsibilities but that will be the krux of their job offensively.
Nesmith did a great job sprinting to daylight behind the arc Tuesday, and PP got him the ball right quick. He made a conscious effort to sprint to daylight and launch quickly. On a Nesmith drive and kick, PP dashed to the left slot for a quick fired three.
That decisiveness was very encouraging, as was Nesmith's ability to shoot with a hand in his face. Not many of his shots were of the wide open variety. He's long and has a high release, which makes his shot tough to defend. PP needs the added range because he needs to be open to get his shot off.
I mean, fair, it's hyperbolic but you're not wrong, but it is something that Jaylen specifically has had a lot of problems with for many years now. At least there's good reason to think that an energized Udoka ought to be able to force the general malaise out of the roster in a way that last year's burnt-out, walking dead version of Brad just couldn't.
Probably some truth to that.
We will always have a ton more veterans on the floor which will go a long way toward proper defensive reactions. Even the younger players will have an extra year under their belt.
That everyone took a step back on D is what suggests to me that it was a motivational thing, at least to a significant degree. It's not so much a "they don't give a shit" sort of motivational thing but a "it's become difficult to get them to be locked in at all times." It's not effort per se, it's focus. It's not as though the system changed, as far as I'm aware, it's that the players weren't consistently doing their job within that system. Which makes sense in context, we're talking about a team whose coach was, reportedly, burnt out by everything that'd happened over the previous few seasons, had gone through the grueling bubble just a few months before the season started, and were playing in the middle of a pandemic with all the limits that entails as well as missing a lot of game and practice time to Covid protocols and just random-ass injuries. Both the internal and external factors were pretty grim.
You are correct, JB's off-ball defense has been sloppy for a while. Smart and JT have a tendency to bark at JB on defense. On-ball JB's solid, BUT he does have a tendency to stare at the ball and lose his man off-ball.
Agree w the point that the shooting is pretty average, but unless the standard of "great shooter" is "just Steph", Tatum is a great shooter.
Agree. I wasn’t too clear, but I was referring to above posts about Ime’s quote that Tatum and Brown playing with “great shooters”.
