Celtics as a FA destination (broken from trade rumors)

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I'm a pessimist in any Boston-as-free agent-destination conversation so view this through that lens, but if he's already unlikely to sign with the team currently holding his Bird Rights, why should I be particularly excited about becoming the next team to hold his Bird Rights?
 

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I'm a pessimist in any Boston-as-free agent-destination conversation so view this through that lens, but if he's already unlikely to sign with the team currently holding his Bird Rights, why should I be particularly excited about becoming the next team to hold his Bird Rights?
Because the second one is one of the NBA's best franchises, if not the best? They have an excellent you coach, tons of roster flexibility, and a stable, proven front office.

When was the last time a free agent the Celtics wanted to keep left?
 

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Because that history matters. Boston is not a desired landing spot for free agents.

I have no idea when the cap room was great, but they have literally never been able to attract a top flight free agent. Ever.
 

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So a 37 year who had been in trade rumors for 2 years and wanted another championship, and a career role player looking for his first/last payday?
You asking a pointless question isn't reason to discount the answer.

Please name a more significant free agent they've had that they resigned. I'll wait....

The sorry fact is that the team sucked for almost two decades and never had anyone good enough *to* resign, which they wanted to resign, that proves the point you're trying to make.
 

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Ray Allen and James Posey. I'm failing to come up with a free agent they've had that they wanted to keep in a long, long time other tHan those two.
I'd argue that the Celtics had little desire to keep either. Allen at all and certainly not at the cost to bring back Posey.
 

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A. Why is that relevant?

B. When's the last time they had significant cap space and went after one?
A. Historical perspective is crucial otherwise we'd be questioning why teams like Atlanta or Memphis can't blow through the tax line and into win-now mode. Understanding each franchises market and demographic is relevant to the discussion.

B. Ainge has had multiple opportunities over the years to create cap space instead he choose to retain high-end expiring deals allowing him to match contracts in a trade for a big name. This goes back to understanding the market......Kevin Garnett refused to come here via trade until lured by the Ray Allen acquisition. The climate sucks and there are far better alternatives for a young multi-millionaire black athlete to live.
 

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You asking a pointless question isn't reason to discount the answer.

Please name a more significant free agent they've had that they resigned. I'll wait....

The sorry fact is that the team sucked for almost two decades and never had anyone good enough *to* resign, which they wanted to resign, that proves the point you're trying to make.
Paul Pierce and Ray Allen in 2010
 

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I'd argue that the Celtics had little desire to keep either. Allen at all and certainly not at the cost to bring back Posey.
Agree completely on Allen, but the question was posed to imply that the Celtics offer some kind of Utopia because of their history and status that would impel a FA to to take a lesser offer or defer to the Celtics on the same terms. Again, the question was who they last tried to resign and didn't. The answer is Allen and Posey.

Paul Pierce and Ray Allen in 2010
Neither reached free agency.
 

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The last really significant free agent "situation" I can remember is David West choosing Indy over Boston.
 

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I disagree about Allen. The Celtics offered him double what he took in Miami and a no-trade clause to boot. How is that not wanting him? If they didn't want him why was KG so bitter?
 

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As for Boston's allure for free agents, there's the OJ Mayo story. Not a free agent at the time but it tells you something about Boston's appeal.
 

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Agree completely on Allen, but the question was posed to imply that the Celtics offer some kind of Utopia because of their history and status that would impel a FA to to take a lesser offer or defer to the Celtics on the same terms. Again, the question was who they last tried to resign and didn't. The answer is Allen and Posey.



Neither reached free agency.
Both absolutely did.

Allens contract expired after 2010 season, signed two year deal on July 8th.

Pierce opted out of his contract after 2010, signed four year deal on July 13th.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2010/06/29/report-pierce-to-opt-out-of-celtics-contract/
 

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Both absolutely did.

Allens contract expired after 2010 season, signed two year deal on July 8th.

Pierce opted out of his contract after 2010, signed four year deal on July 13th.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2010/06/29/report-pierce-to-opt-out-of-celtics-contract/

Pierce resigned on June 29th, players couldn't talk to other teams before July 8th of that year. The mechanizations of particular dates, in loving his opt out, etc, don't change what actually happened. http://boston.sbnation.com/2010/6/29/1543785/paul-pierce-opt-out-free-agent-celtics-contract


Allen resigned July 7th. http://www.celticslife.com/2010/07/ray-allen-resigns-with-celtics.html?m=1. Again, they couldn't talk to other teams until the 8th.

Neither is an answer to the question, especially given the context of everything involved with regards to Horford. If you want to argue the semantics of "reached Free agency" vs "actually shopped themselves and came back to Boston", knock yourself out. When they actually put pen to paper is beside the point either way.
 

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Pierce or even Allen aren't relevant comparisons for a player traded here to play 30+ games.
 

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Pierce or even Allen aren't relevant comparisons for a player traded here to play 30+ games.

I'd argue there's very few comps in the modern history of the NBA, let alone any other professional sport. Teams don't make those trades unless they are given a window to talk extension of they don't pay much to acquire. Which is a big part of why the whole thing is a stupid topic to begin with, far before we get to a historically bad example like the Celtics.
 

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You asking a pointless question isn't reason to discount the answer.

Please name a more significant free agent they've had that they resigned. I'll wait....

The sorry fact is that the team sucked for almost two decades and never had anyone good enough *to* resign, which they wanted to resign, that proves the point you're trying to make.
Paul Pierce? Kevin Garnett? Why don't they count?
 

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Pierce resigned on June 29th, players couldn't talk to other teams before July 8th of that year. The mechanizations of particular dates, in loving his opt out, etc, don't change what actually happened. http://boston.sbnation.com/2010/6/29/1543785/paul-pierce-opt-out-free-agent-celtics-contract


Allen resigned July 7th. http://www.celticslife.com/2010/07/ray-allen-resigns-with-celtics.html?m=1. Again, they couldn't talk to other teams until the 8th.

Neither is an answer to the question, especially given the context of everything involved with regards to Horford. If you want to argue the semantics of "reached Free agency" vs "actually shopped themselves and came back to Boston", knock yourself out. When they actually put pen to paper is beside the point either way.
But that's the point that's being made. Boston is a great organization, and many, many great players have had no desire to leave once arriving. That Pierce was a free agent and didn't bother talk to another team is exactly the point.
 

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A. Historical perspective is crucial otherwise we'd be questioning why teams like Atlanta or Memphis can't blow through the tax line and into win-now mode. Understanding each franchises market and demographic is relevant to the discussion.

B. Ainge has had multiple opportunities over the years to create cap space instead he choose to retain high-end expiring deals allowing him to match contracts in a trade for a big name. This goes back to understanding the market......Kevin Garnett refused to come here via trade until lured by the Ray Allen acquisition. The climate sucks and there are far better alternatives for a young multi-millionaire black athlete to live.
A. Historical perspective is important, sure. But the point is that comparing acquiring an unrestricted free agent for whom you don't hold Bird rights to a free agent who has had half of a season and playoff run to familiarize himself with your organization AND who you can pay more than anybody aren't comparable situation. I'm well aware how (perplexingly) convinced Celtics fans are that they'll never land a free agent. Which is why I think this manner of acquisition makes much more sense. Because how often do players give up the extra money to leave? Dwight Howard and who else? He might be it.

B. The Boston can't lure free agents garbage is self-fulfilling. There have been so few opportunities to test the theory, that it just doesn't mean a thing to me anymore. People cite it like it's fact, but when has Boston ever been as desirable a location for a top-flight free agent? A very popular young coach, tons of young talent, the assets to remain flexible, and one of the league's best front offices. Does that mean they're going to sign Kevin Durant? Of course not. Does it make it very, very reasonable that Horford's agent would tell Ainge through backchannels that he'd be willing to stay in Boston? Yes, it does.

Regardless of what happened with James Posey, or whatever.
 

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But that's the point that's being made. Boston is a great organization, and many, many great players have had no desire to leave once arriving. That Pierce was a free agent and didn't bother talk to another team is exactly the point.

Haha. Ok man. If you want to try to equate an aging Pierce resigning with the only team he's known for another run at a title, with Al Horford in the prime of his career who can go anywhere and have a better lifestyle and endorsement deals, knock yourself out. Your shamrock colored glasses must be nice to view life through.

Not a single NBA free agent gives a shit about the organization or it's history. They care about making money, winning a title, having a night life and marketing themselves. Probably in that order. And right now the Celtics don't rank very highly on any of those. Nor have they ever. The only advantage they would have is the Bird rights on him. Brad Stevens isn't a reason for someone to choose Boston over a half dozen other cities. And the roster isn't either.

If you can't see the difference between Pierce or Allen resigning as aging gets in 2010 for another run and Horford, we don't have much to discuss. But please don't let me interrupt your dream that someone how the Celtics are like the Pats and "many, many great players" feel like this is their Nirvana.

This organization sucked for a long, long time. It's had a good run the last ten years, but if you think FAs are signing here because the team won 11 titles in the Russell era, I'm not sure what to tell you.
 

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Pierce resigned on June 29th, players couldn't talk to other teams before July 8th of that year. The mechanizations of particular dates, in loving his opt out, etc, don't change what actually happened. http://boston.sbnation.com/2010/6/29/1543785/paul-pierce-opt-out-free-agent-celtics-contract


Allen resigned July 7th. http://www.celticslife.com/2010/07/ray-allen-resigns-with-celtics.html?m=1. Again, they couldn't talk to other teams until the 8th.

Neither is an answer to the question, especially given the context of everything involved with regards to Horford. If you want to argue the semantics of "reached Free agency" vs "actually shopped themselves and came back to Boston", knock yourself out. When they actually put pen to paper is beside the point either way.
Still false.

Same as this year, you were allowed to talk to other teams starting on July 1st, couldn't sign til July 8th.

Here's the rules http://www.nba.com/news/july_fa_moratorium.html

Here's Ray Allen talking about his FREE AGENCY, when he talked to other teams during the moratorium. http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=5377068

Oh look, here's an article with quotes from Paul Pierces agent, talking about his FREE AGENCY. http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2010/07/05/for_pierce_and_celtics_seemingly_a_good_deal_all_around/

Don't see how I'm arguing the semantics of "reached free agency". It's cut and dried. They were free agents. Eligible to leave if they wanted to, which they didn't. It's just facts.
 

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I believe G&MB is a Knicks fan. He can correct me if I'm wrong of course.

Obviously cap space has been an issue, but until 35-year-old Rasheed Wallace and 38-year-old Shaq are no longer the most significant external free agents to sign with Boston I'm not going to buy the C's as a destination.
 

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First, Ray Allen's departure had nothing to do with the desirability of Boston as a free agent destination. Allen was hurt that Ainge waited until he heard from Garnett (who was contemplating retirement) before he made an offer to Allen. Allen has said he would have signed a contract with the Celtics if one had been offered right away.

The relevancy of James Posey escapes me, but whatever.

Someone upthread mentioned sign-and-trade. Under the current CBA, there is little incentive for a player to accept a sign-and-trade offer, as a player basically forfeits his Bird rights by doing that. About the only time you'll see a sign-and-trade these days is if the player really wants to play for a team that would otherwise not have the cap space to sign him. So the value of doing a potential sign-and-trade on a Horford is almost nil to the Celtics.

I don't pretend to know the motivation of every prospective free agent and how they would feel about coming to Boston. Every player is different, and not all of them care about access to the nation's most exclusive night clubs (something that doesn't exist in San Antonio either). So I don't think it's reasonable to assume that Boston will never attract a quality free agent. If they make a run in the playoffs, they become more interesting to some that may be looking for a shot of playoff stardom of their own. It's fair to set expectations; Boston is not LA, Miami, or Texas. But it's also not Milwaukee or Toronto.

Still, Ainge's job becomes a lot easier if the 2016 Brooklyn pick turns into a bona fide star player. So I would expect Ainge to place a higher value premium on that pick than an LA or Miami would.
 

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I believe G&MB is a Knicks fan. He can correct me if I'm wrong of course.

Obviously cap space has been an issue, but until 35-year-old Rasheed Wallace and 38-year-old Shaq are no longer the most significant external free agents to sign with Boston I'm not going to buy the C's as a destination.
But, yeah, cap space is like the issue, isn't it? When have the Cs had the space and gone all-in on a big name free agent not on the team? Sheed and Shaq were both meant to supplement a contender, not transform it.
 

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The purpose of sign & trades is, specifically, to allow the player to go to a team he wants where said team might not otherwise have the room. For max contract guys this summer there might be some extra incentive based on the cap skyrocketing the ensuing summer, as well. So getting the virtual Bird rights attached so that they can sign a full boat max in the summer of 2017 might have attraction to players and agents.
 

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Haha. Ok man. If you want to try to equate an aging Pierce resigning with the only team he's known for another run at a title, with Al Horford in the prime of his career who can go anywhere and have a better lifestyle and endorsement deals, knock yourself out. Your shamrock colored glasses must be nice to view life through.

Not a single NBA free agent gives a shit about the organization or it's history. They care about making money, winning a title, having a night life and marketing themselves. Probably in that order. And right now the Celtics don't rank very highly on any of those. Nor have they ever. The only advantage they would have is the Bird rights on him. Brad Stevens isn't a reason for someone to choose Boston over a half dozen other cities. And the roster isn't either.

If you can't see the difference between Pierce or Allen resigning as aging gets in 2010 for another run and Horford, we don't have much to discuss. But please don't let me interrupt your dream that someone how the Celtics are like the Pats and "many, many great players" feel like this is their Nirvana.

This organization sucked for a long, long time. It's had a good run the last ten years, but if you think FAs are signing here because the team won 11 titles in the Russell era, I'm not sure what to tell you.
First things first, I'm not even a Celtics fan. You know how you can tell? Because I'm not perplexingly pessimistic about an organization that wins 1 out of every 5 NBA championships.

The Celtics have built a very nice roster, can offer Horford more money than anybody else, and are a winning organization. If you don't think that makes them the favorite to sign him if they end up trading for him, that's fine. But I disagree, and I also don't think the Celtics inability to sign free agents in the right corollary. He'll have played 30 games and a made a playoff run with the C's at that point, and I think that's exactly the sort of chance you take in the Celtics current position. You're acquiring the assets for a reason, and if you can get Horford at a discount and give yourself 4 months to sell him on sticking around, you do it.

Meanwhile, your analysis of what NBA players want is overly simplistic. In the last couple of years top tier free agents have signed in Toronto (Lowry), Atlanta (Millsap), San Antonio (Aldridge) and Milwaukee (Monroe). Did Aldridge ignore the Spurs organization and history? Why did Lowry re-sign in Toronto with their taxes and weather? What about Monroe? What motivated him to choose Milwaukee over equal money in New York? These things aren't as cut and dry as you're making them out to be. Yes, New York/LA/Miami and a few others are traditionally popular options, but organization and history absolutely matters. Or have you not noticed the Knicks strike out in free agency consistently for the last decade? Do you think Brooklyn's going to land somebody in free agency any time soon? They have money, a market, and nightlife. That should make them a top choice, right?
 

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But, yeah, cap space is like the issue, isn't it? When have the Cs had the space and gone all-in on a big name free agent not on the team? Sheed and Shaq were both meant to supplement a contender, not transform it.
They had significant space three times (four if you count The General), and (more or less) squandered it each time by targeting the wrong player. At the end of the Bird era they decided that Xavier McDaniel was the guy to replace him, no one understood that his knees were shot. A few years later they threw an enormous (for the time) contract at a local basketball star, deciding that a former BC star was the guy they needed to draw the fans in. Unfortunately Dana Barros was no Michael Adams. Then, of course, they signed the old 'Nique thinking that he would fill the seats for them.

Rick Pitino strapped the Celtics to the cap, and their then owner was known as Sterling East, despised by agents across the game. Neither of those realities helped them. Things have changed in the NBA. The Lakers have more missed passes than Joe Biden these days. Everyone turns them down because the millennials coming into the league don't give a shit about history. They do like to win and be on teams with players they like, and I would say those are Boston's two strengths at the moment.
 

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The Celtics' free agency canard just has to die. This is one of those subjects where nobody knows anything, to paraphrase William Goldman.
 

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Yeah, today's players just aren't the same as the guys that were entering even ten to twelve years ago. It would be like saying that Steve Ballmer can't land guys because Sterling once owned the Clippers.
 

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Mannix on EEI said the word is out in the league and that players are intrigued by Stevens.

We'll have to see what that turns into, but there is at least talk. That's a start.
 

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I'd argue there's very few comps in the modern history of the NBA, let alone any other professional sport. Teams don't make those trades unless they are given a window to talk extension of they don't pay much to acquire. Which is a big part of why the whole thing is a stupid topic to begin with, far before we get to a historically bad example like the Celtics.
This is partly semantics, I know, but "talking extension" isn't relevant in the NBA. The CBA makes extensions so rare as to be almost non-existent, because they limit the percentage raise a player can receive. So in the NBA, the idea of a window to negotiate an extension isn't really how it works. The form that idea takes in the NBA is that players let it be known if the destination is one where they'd sign longterm before the deal goes down, but either way they end up reaching unrestricted free agency as that's the only way they become eligible for the maximum raise amount.

Semantics aside though, the notion that there's "few comps in the modern history of the NBA, let alone any other professional sport" is pretty absurd. Just off the top of my head, this exact scenario has played out with two other Hawks big men. Both Dikembe Mutombo and Rasheed Wallace were traded in deadline deals as pending UFAs, and then signed deals with the Sixers and Pistons respectively. More recently, this exact thing happened to Brandon Knight and Goran Dragic last season. They were both UFAs to be that were traded in February, and signed longterm deals with the teams they were traded to.
 

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Perhaps we can take a look at the pluses and minuses for a player coming to Boston to play for the Celtics:

- Plus: Young and improving roster. We can look at the individual pieces and analyze their faults ad infinitum. But they are 3rd in the Eastern Conference, have proven to be a tough out against the cream of the NBA's competition, and the fact remains that young players often do improve over time. A prospective free agent could see the chance to be both the alpha star and also ride on the team's success as the roster matures. Probably not enough to attract a LeBron James (or any other FA star in the 2nd half of their prime years), but may be enough to attract a lesser tier free agent who sees a team on the upswing. If they make some noise in the playoffs this year, that could help. I'm not so ready to discount this factor.

- Plus: Brad Stevens. Players seem to love playing for him, and he seems like he's going to be around for a bit. Is it a big factor alone? Probably not. But could be enough to break a tie.

- Plus: Cap space. First time in a long time. I don't know why this is getting downplayed here. Without cap space, the opportunity to attract a big free agent doesn't even exist.

- Minus: Contender status. It's debatable how close Boston is to being a true contender. Is it one great player? One great plus another lower tier veteran? Or a couple of All Star reserve caliber players? Probably something in between. But the Celtics are not Cleveland, San Antonio, Oklahoma, or Golden State. This is not the same as "young and improving roster" above, as this is more immediate gratification, which will matter to a free agent that is well into the 2nd half of their prime years and sees a limited opportunity window to win a ring.

- Minus: Marketing endorsements. This is a bit curious, as Brady has not had any problems getting endorsement deals despite playing in the same market. But most NBA telecasts are regional, and the media exposure for NBA players seem to be a bit more provincial. LA and New York are much bigger media markets, and so Boston loses here by a fairly wide margin.

- Minus: Taxes. Florida and Texas are the big winners here. NY, LA, Toronto are the big losers. Boston lies somewhere in the middle.

- Minus: Weather. I know this gets cited ad nauseum. It probably matters to some players; probably doesn't to others. But I never see this same excuse applied to Chicago, Cleveland, New York, Toronto, Philadelphia, et al, so I'm skeptical that this is as a huge a factor as it's made it to be by the media.

- Minus: nightlife. I hear this mentioned, but I think it's garbage. Seems like excuse making than anything else.

Did I miss anything here? I'm deliberately ignoring history, as I don't see how an NBA player in his late 20's or early 30's cares either about the Bill Russell years or the vast wasteland of seasons that preceded 2008. I'm also ignoring racial climate, as I'm not qualified to even open that can of worms. All I know is that the current crop of players don't seem to mind playing here.

What does this all mean? IMO, I don't think it's always pass/fail when it comes to attracting free agents. I believe that the factors that attract any one particular player are varied, and that some factors can change over time. The 3 pluses above have not always been available to the Celtics (think Rick Pitino, Eric Williams, and Vin Baker's cap hit). The contender status is important, but that can also change over time (which we've already seen). A lot will depend upon which free agents become available (as opposed to resigning with their current teams), and which other teams are in the hunt for a particular player.
 
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While I think it's fair to dismiss history to an extent--you're right, for instance, that the Bill Russell era Celtics probably resonate much with Kevin Durant (or whoever)--one thing that shouldn't be dismissed is this current front office's history of success. Ainge has proven himself capable of both building a championship roster and rebuilding on the fly, and has shown that he has a relationship with ownership that's strong enough that they'll pay the luxury tax when he advises them to do so. He's shown the ability to draft well, hire well, and the organization is well run and professional. That certainly carries weight, though how much, I'm not sure.
 

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I think we're in agreement then, because I think that all players care about these days is the guys running the team and their track record of success. The "Woe is me, Boston will never sign a free agent!" stuff was all based on how the Celtics aren't the Knicks or Lakers. And thank god, because in free agency those two teams have struck out more than Rob Deer after six shots of tequila.

EDIT: And I think it's been that way for a while now, back in the gory days Boston was owned by a guy that NBA insiders derisively called "Thanks, Dad!" and was considered the east coast version of Donald Sterling, who shoved one of his franchises icons out the door in a fit of spite, only to hire a guy who shoved another franchise icon as far out the door as he could. You can see why players in the 90s would say "Fuck those guys".

But this new crew has a track record of success and spending what it takes to put a contender on the floor, and a coach that's consistently turned lemons into a tasty meringue. Boston makes the second round this year and I think agents will want their guys signing here.
 
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Perhaps we can take a look at the pluses and minuses for a player coming to Boston to play for the Celtics:

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Did I miss anything here? I'm deliberately ignoring history, as I don't see how an NBA player in his late 20's or early 30's cares either about the Bill Russell years or the vast wasteland of seasons that preceded 2008. I'm also ignoring racial climate, as I'm not qualified to even open that can of worms. All I know is that the current crop of players don't seem to mind playing here.
Mostly agree.

- I think marketing is a push. Bring a Garnett type and marketing opps are everywhere. Ray Allen? Meh.
- Agree about nightlife - if folks are happy in Cleveland or SLC, surely Boston has enough.

A few other things.

1) Management (Dys)function - This year (more than ever?) we've seen the impact of dysfunctional ownership/FO groups on teams from terrible to elite. Players on the Cs know from top to bottom that the the guy above has the back of the guy below. This is not only nice, but likely impacts the on-court product. PLUS (hard to argue anyone is better)

2) FO Approach - Ainge and Wyc clearly want to win and are not beholden to the whims of sports radio idiots. Players like that. PLUS (hard to argue anyone is better)

3) Racial Demographics - New England largely isn't what it was in the 70s and 80s when it comes to racial attitudes. But it is still a predominantly-white and tends to gravitate to white sports (he says, posting on a site oriented to the Red Sox). MINUS (better than your Milwaukees, worse than major markets)

4) Economic Demographics - This links to marketing opps. The Boston media market is one of the wealthiest in the country, which could have a lot of positive downstream effects. Not sure how to rate this. PUSH?

5) Media Attention - It's always high in Boston. Some guys love it, some hate it. But since it's usually a distraction from the court, I'm calling this a net-MINUS
 

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Mostly agree.
3) Racial Demographics - New England largely isn't what it was in the 70s and 80s when it comes to racial attitudes. But it is still a predominantly-white and tends to gravitate to white sports (he says, posting on a site oriented to the Red Sox). MINUS (better than your Milwaukees, worse than major markets)
Milwaukee is one of the most predominantly african-american cities in the country. Salt Lake City or Portland are probably the examples you're looking for.
 

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Milwaukee is one of the most predominantly african-american cities in the country. Salt Lake City or Portland are probably the examples you're looking for.
Oh, yeah, you're right. I'm wondering if I mixed it up with Minneapolis or am just an idiot.
 

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I know if I'm Kevin Durant and I have to choose between Boston, Golden State, and San Antonio, I am going Boston all the way.

Edit: Sarcasm
 

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I know if I'm Kevin Durant and I have to choose between Boston, Golden State, and San Antonio, I am going Boston all the way.

Edit: Sarcasm
I'll say this... of those 3 Boston might make the most sense. San Antonio is an awkward basketball fit with Kawhi and Aldridge locked into big money at the 3/4.
His main employer doesn't want him in Golden State.
 

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If Durant cares about his long-term historical legacy and wants to be considered among the top 10 players of all time, he wouldn't want to just chase a ring by signing with a team already good enough to win it all without him. That's what washed up veterans do. I would hope he would want to go to a team where he will be the best player, and which has a chance to get him a ring or two.

I think the Celtics meet those two criteria the best.