Favre.
And depending on how you define "great QBs of all time" there are a bunch of guys from the pre- and early Super Bowl years before domes were everywhere. Tarkenton, Unitas, Kelly, Namath. Eason.
Favre.
And depending on how you define "great QBs of all time" there are a bunch of guys from the pre- and early Super Bowl years before domes were everywhere. Tarkenton, Unitas, Kelly, Namath. Eason.
And depending on how you define bad-weather locales, I'd add Starr, Elway, and Bennie R as HoF QBs (Ben's a lock) who play(ed) pretty well late season in weather.Favre.
And depending on how you define "great QBs of all time" there are a bunch of guys from the pre- and early Super Bowl years before domes were everywhere. Tarkenton, Unitas, Kelly, Namath. Eason.
Amazing... he's won more games by 15 or more points than by 7 or lessGames Tom Brady has been in (from profootball-reference.com), regular season only:
Final margin 0-7 (103): 72-32 (.699)
Final margin 8-14 (58): 43-15 (.741)
Final margin 15+ (103): 89-14 (.864)
Yeah crazy. 65% of his wins have been by more than a touchdown. 44% have been by more than two touchdowns. Amazing.Amazing... he's won more games by 15 or more points than by 7 or less
Also, kind of shocked they've lost 14 games by more than 15 points over this run.
I probably would have had that number near 5
Well, they’ve already had two this year, then just quickly off top of my head throw in Ravens playoff game, the opening game versus Buffalo after the Milloy ordeal and the KC game from a few years ago and you’re already at five with even trying too hard.Amazing... he's won more games by 15 or more points than by 7 or less
Also, kind of shocked they've lost 14 games by more than 15 points over this run.
I probably would have had that number near 5
I remember Marino struggling often in Foxboro and the stats back that up:I'd love to see how Marino and Montana played when they had to make trips to New York or Foxboro or Green Bay or Chicago when the weather was really bad.
It's regular season only so you're at 4 but yea, putting some thought into it, i'm sure i could think of many of them but just at first thought i still would have been close to 5Well, they’ve already had two this year, then just quickly off top of my head throw in Ravens playoff game, the opening game versus Buffalo after the Milloy ordeal and the KC game from a few years ago and you’re already at five with even trying too hard.
Blown out in Miami several times. Nearly all their losses there by multiple scores.It's regular season only so you're at 4 but yea, putting some thought into it, i'm sure i could think of many of them but just at first thought i still would have been close to 5
I looked into games @ Miami- only 2 times by 15 or more - 2001 and 2006Blown out in Miami several times. Nearly all their losses there by multiple scores.
Thanks. 5 double digit losses in Miami is pretty crazy when you compare it to all of the other success they've had.I looked into games @ Miami- only 2 times by 15 or more - 2001 and 2006
2 others by 13
1 by 10 (final game of 2016 season)
Other notable games:
Cleveland debacle in 2020 when Peyton Hillis went crazy
2014 @ KC - "We're on to Cincinatti"
2009 - New Orleans, 2 weeks after 4th and 2. The game that BB's Football life caught coach lamenting to Brady about not being able to reach the team
Notably, they've only lost by 15 + twice in a season 2 other times, 2002, and 2005 (aside from this year)
Going back to 2009, when he came back from the injury. they've had 4 such losses prior to this year so my recency bias was in full effect
30-10 at Miami, 2001Amazing... he's won more games by 15 or more points than by 7 or less
Also, kind of shocked they've lost 14 games by more than 15 points over this run.
I probably would have had that number near 5
Dunno if it's still true, but at one point Brady had a better rating in a dome and a better rating outside, but Manning had a better rating overall. Fun with stats.You guys are going to make me breakout the stats translation I did that takes Brady's stats and extrapolates them into playing as many dome games as Peyton Manning did, and vice versa.
It's ridiculous. Brady has a better dome passer rating than Manning. Granted it's only 14 games, but his rating is 109.
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" - Samuel ClemensDunno if it's still true, but at one point Brady had a better rating in a dome and a better rating outside, but Manning had a better rating overall. Fun with stats.
That was true and for those wondering how it’s possible (this is not for you SumnerH, who I know knows this), it’s because Manning played so many more dome games than Brady that it tilted his overall stats.Dunno if it's still true, but at one point Brady had a better rating in a dome and a better rating outside, but Manning had a better rating overall. Fun with stats.
Wait, did you just list Tony Eason as a "great" quarterback?Favre.
And depending on how you define "great QBs of all time" there are a bunch of guys from the pre- and early Super Bowl years before domes were everywhere. Tarkenton, Unitas, Kelly, Namath. Eason.
Simpson's paradoxDunno if it's still true, but at one point Brady had a better rating in a dome and a better rating outside, but Manning had a better rating overall. Fun with stats.
Even more amazing is that in addition to the 109% of his wins where he’s won by more than a touchdown, there’s some percentage where he won by less than a touchdown.Yeah crazy. 65% of his wins have been by more than a touchdown. 44% have been by more than two touchdowns. Amazing.
My favourite example of Simpson’s ParadoxDunno if it's still true, but at one point Brady had a better rating in a dome and a better rating outside, but Manning had a better rating overall. Fun with stats.
Brady has actually passed Manning in rating the last few seasons.Dunno if it's still true, but at one point Brady had a better rating in a dome and a better rating outside, but Manning had a better rating overall. Fun with stats.
People do say this, but it has been shown to not really be a thing though--Pats winning percentage outside the East is pretty similar to inside. They whup pretty much everyone.I think one of the "advantages" other fans give to the Patriots is playing in the East with poor competition.
Unlike Manning vs the Iron of the AFC South.Patriots is playing in the East with poor competition
Including local media!The bell can never be unrung. The constant attempts to minimize the Pats' historic run with stupid, inaccurate comments like "LOL the AFC East sucks" has colored the discussion around the team forever. People are notoriously impervious to facts in situations like these.
Not only that, but haven't the non-Pats AFC East teams held their own the other divisions, relatively speaking.People do say this, but it has been shown to not really be a thing though--Pats winning percentage outside the East is pretty similar to inside. They whup pretty much everyone.
This is an excellent point, and one that seems to get overlooked or ignored in NFL media in general. Probably deliberately ignored, since the NFL likely isn’t too interested in people holding owners accountable for team dysfunction instead of players and coaches.I think one of the "advantages" other fans give to the Patriots is playing in the East with poor competition. One avenue that is never discussed is that because of the Patriots long term unparalleled success it creates less stability in the other members of the division. Typically the other owners don't give GM's or Coaches long enough to actually turn the tide, they want wins now and when they don't come they are gone which leads to constant rebuilds. The division is weaker due to the Patriots success and other owners poor hiring and frustration with the patriots success. We have created a divisional ecosystem that doesn't exist in most if not all other divisions.
That is stunning. I remember when the AFL was formed in 1959 and started playing games in 1960. 44%. Lord. I don't have time to look now, but how close is that, or maybe greater than some franchises' overall win total.This is a good thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/a1stes/tom_brady_would_be_a_hall_of_famer_twice/
This stood out to me:
"The patriots have won 523 games (including playoffs) since their inception in 1960. Tom Brady has won 231 games. Which is 44% of their wins in their 58 year history."
It’s more wins than any of the four teams founded after 1980 (JAX, CAR, BAL, HOU).That is stunning. I remember when the AFL was formed in 1959 and started playing games in 1960. 44%. Lord. I don't have time to look now, but how close is that, or maybe greater than some franchises' overall win total.
This despite the fact that the Patriots never have to play the AFC East division winners.People do say this, but it has been shown to not really be a thing though--Pats winning percentage outside the East is pretty similar to inside. They whup pretty much everyone.
My not guaranteed back of the napkin math has them at 45-22 vs division winners (regular season and playoffs) in years they themselves won the AFC East. They have beaten three division leaders this year.People do say this, but it has been shown to not really be a thing though--Pats winning percentage outside the East is pretty similar to inside. They whup pretty much everyone.
He might abdicate...Someday they will be right. Just like someday Prince Charles will be King or something.
I'm willing to bet if you got him in a mood for it, he could rattle off the final score and key aspects of every single game since 1959.Q: Is [the Army-Navy] game something that makes you nostalgic?
BB: Yeah, no question. Yeah, when your dad coaches at Navy, that’s a huge part of your life. That game is a huge part of everybody’s life at those two academies, and it extends well beyond that. But, yeah, you know in May how many days are left until you play Army.
Q: When you look back, are there any particular games that stand out to you?
BB: Yeah, pretty much all of them, especially all the ones that Navy won. You know, the ‘62 game with [Roger] Staubach’s sophomore year, when it was skull and crossbones on the helmet. President Kennedy was at that game, so he sat kind of right in front of us. Actually, when he was walking across the field, the guy ran through the thing and almost tackled him. I mean, it was crazy. The next year was of course the game was postponed a week after President [John F.] Kennedy was assassinated, and that was the game where Navy stopped Army on the 4-yard line, went to the Cotton Bowl. So, those are pretty memorable games. The ‘67 game – [John] Cartwright. Yeah, I remember a lot of them. Joe Bellino’s three-touchdown game in ’59 – that’s really the first game I remember. The first game I ever remember watching was the ‘59 Army-Navy game.
Yep, players, plays, schemes...probably going back to before he was a teenager!The army-navy game bit was fantastic too.
I'm willing to bet if you got him in a mood for it, he could rattle off the final score and key aspects of every single game since 1959.
Pretty awesome... 88 more wins then #2 on the list!Payton and Brees won their 117th regular-season game together when the New Orleans Saints survived a 12-9 slugfest with the rival Carolina Panthers -- passing Don Shula and Dan Marino for second place among coach/QB combos during the Super Bowl era.
They trail only Bill Belichick and Tom Brady, who have a whopping 205 regular-season wins together.