This is a great stat.
I looked it up, and the Patriots tied the record for most points without a PAT since the merger. The other game featured five touchdowns, and a mostly incomprehensible series of Chip Kelly and Jim Schwartz trading two point conversion attempts for some reason (eight in all).
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You're not alone, and apparently it has happened. Eagles did it in a game where kicks were too risky because of snow.
Can't remember the exact timing (think it was after the Falcons scored to go up 28-3), Matt Ryan was sporting a perfect QBR (158.3)
The Dion Lewis game
The Chris Hogan game
The James White game
So awesome to have 3 different under the radar guys breakout on the national stage. Not to mention Edelman was nails in all 3 and big contributions from Dola, Marty, MM, et al. Such a characteristically Patriot run.
The Chris Hogan game
The James White game
So awesome to have 3 different under the radar guys breakout on the national stage. Not to mention Edelman was nails in all 3 and big contributions from Dola, Marty, MM, et al. Such a characteristically Patriot run.
I love this place. You guys rock.
Whoops, that should have been the 2003 Stanley Cup (NJ Devils), not an NBA title. Good catch.
Brady gave the "truck" away again, to James White I just heard. James is also going to Disney World. Think Tom can afford to give away these things.
You guys surely know all this, but WAPO has a nice article for the masses about TB's health regime:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/tom-brady-uses-the-game-of-football-instead-of-being-used-by-it/2017/02/06/0d63948c-ec94-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_jenkins-345pm:homepage/story
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/tom-brady-uses-the-game-of-football-instead-of-being-used-by-it/2017/02/06/0d63948c-ec94-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_jenkins-345pm:homepage/story
Does someone here have the means to put this online for all of us outside the US?
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I love what Brady said about James White:
"White is like my oldest son," Brady said at Monday's victor news conference. "He just does everything right and you can never get mad at him because even if he doesn't make the play, he feels worse about it than you do. He's just the best teammate. He's an incredible player. He's been that way since he really assumed that big role when Dion got hurt last year. I'm so proud of him and everything he's accomplished. I've seen him grow from a rookie to working his tail off to become a big factor in all of these games.
"White is like my oldest son," Brady said at Monday's victor news conference. "He just does everything right and you can never get mad at him because even if he doesn't make the play, he feels worse about it than you do. He's just the best teammate. He's an incredible player. He's been that way since he really assumed that big role when Dion got hurt last year. I'm so proud of him and everything he's accomplished. I've seen him grow from a rookie to working his tail off to become a big factor in all of these games.
I love that White is being showered with praise after an amazing performance. Was unfairly maligned after last year's AFCCG.
Bullshit. Bomani Jones told me earlier that Brady doesn't get a lot of credit for the comeback because he was the reason they were losing and he had to throw 937 passes to get all those yards.
http://proshop.patriots.com/p/3-games-to-glory-5-bluray-dvd/pid/65726/sdid/184/pdid/130/
3 Games to Glory V up for pre-order on Patriots Pro Shop website, probably available sometime in late March. IIRC, Amazon will also sell these for cheaper once release date gets closer.
Interestingly, the Pro Shop isn't selling the NFL Films highlight video. That's going for $35 at NFLShop.com, but Best Buy offering for 22.99 right now.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/nfl-super-bowl-51-champions-blu-ray-disc-2-disc/32500374.p?id=3674238&skuId=32500374
3 Games to Glory V up for pre-order on Patriots Pro Shop website, probably available sometime in late March. IIRC, Amazon will also sell these for cheaper once release date gets closer.
Interestingly, the Pro Shop isn't selling the NFL Films highlight video. That's going for $35 at NFLShop.com, but Best Buy offering for 22.99 right now.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/nfl-super-bowl-51-champions-blu-ray-disc-2-disc/32500374.p?id=3674238&skuId=32500374
Wasn't sure what thread to drop this in, so I'll just use this one.
Congratulations from a Bronco fan.
Incredible comeback for a historic win.
Enjoy the hell out of it (but get ready to lose to Denver in the AFCCG next year - we're alternating SB appearances, you know - LOL)
Congratulations from a Bronco fan.
Incredible comeback for a historic win.
Enjoy the hell out of it (but get ready to lose to Denver in the AFCCG next year - we're alternating SB appearances, you know - LOL)
Another thing I think is really impressive about the Super Bowl is that the 39-year old was out there for an unprecedented number of plays and took a beating all night and still kept getting up and dominating.
Wasn't the most recent wisdom from other teams' perspective that all you had to do to get to Brady was put a little pressure on him? Looks to me like that one doesn't work, either.
Wasn't the most recent wisdom from other teams' perspective that all you had to do to get to Brady was put a little pressure on him? Looks to me like that one doesn't work, either.
After the AFC Championship Game last year, I don't think any amount of pressure could rattle Brady. Him leading that comeback (although coming up 1 play short) after the beating he took went incredibly underreported. He got brutalized last year and kept getting up.
15 years between two Super Bowl MVPs is another "record" (stat) that will be very hard to duplicate unless science ends up allowing players to play longer than they currently do in the future.
Eli theoretically has a shot I guess if he plays to 42, but then again Brady may not be done.
Eli theoretically has a shot I guess if he plays to 42, but then again Brady may not be done.
The Brady/Belichick era now has several distinct periods.
2001-2004 "The First Dynasty"
3 Division Titles, 3 first round byes, 3 AFC Championships, 3 Super Bowl wins
2005-2006 "Transition"
2 Division Titles, 1 AFC Championship Game appearance
2007-2009 "Welker/Moss"
2 Division Titles, 1 first round bye,1 AFC Championship, 1 Super Bowl Appearance
2010-2013 "Boston TE Party"
4 Division Titles, 4 first round byes, 3 AFC Championship appearances, 1 AFC Championship, 1 Super Bowl Appearance
2014-????
3 Division Titles, 3 first round byes, 3 AFC Championship appearances, 2 AFC Championships, 2 Super Bowl Titles
Just nuts.
2001-2004 "The First Dynasty"
3 Division Titles, 3 first round byes, 3 AFC Championships, 3 Super Bowl wins
2005-2006 "Transition"
2 Division Titles, 1 AFC Championship Game appearance
2007-2009 "Welker/Moss"
2 Division Titles, 1 first round bye,1 AFC Championship, 1 Super Bowl Appearance
2010-2013 "Boston TE Party"
4 Division Titles, 4 first round byes, 3 AFC Championship appearances, 1 AFC Championship, 1 Super Bowl Appearance
2014-????
3 Division Titles, 3 first round byes, 3 AFC Championship appearances, 2 AFC Championships, 2 Super Bowl Titles
Just nuts.
Whoops. Replied to Youkelele on the last page and didn't see you had it covered. Wish I hadn't seen the note about the snow. It would be much funnier to imagine Chip Kelly going for two every time and spooking Jim Schwartz into thinking he's being outsmarted so he just starts going for it every time, too.
STAFFORD: I think he's just trying to get into your head, Coach, maybe we kick here.
SCHWARTZ: Fade to Calvin.
STAFFORD: Right but last--
SCHWARTZ: Fade. To Calvin.
After the fact it felt a bit like the pressure let up, but even on the last drive of regulation Brady was getting driven into the turf and had plenty of rushed passes. The line held up, but it did not give him a quarter, let alone a half of clean pockets. In the back end of the game it was that Brady and his receivers were incredible at connecting in some extremely high pressure situations, and not just the Edelman play. From Amendola's 2 pt conversion to Mitchell's 3rd and long to Hogan's big catch on the right sideline to White multiple plays, there were many, many tight windows with little time. Almost any of them, as a drop, could have foiled the comeback. I mean, goodness, the pressure on the Amendola 2 pt conversion is just incredible.
I would just break them out into four larger groupings of:
2001-2004: The Golden [Boy] Age
2005-2008: The Worm (and the Nation) Turns
2009-2013: Offensive Juggernaut, Defensive Woes
2014-2016: Glory Reclaimed
They actually did attempt one kick (which failed) in that game. It looks like a successful 2pt conversion was negated and replayed due to a false start penalty against the offense. After moving the ball back 5 yards to the 7, they tried a kick and missed. I'm picking nits, though--combined, the teams were going for 2 after every touchdown, and went 4 for 8 (3 of 7 officially).
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201312080phi.htm#all_pbp
My youngest son, born April 2003, has lived in a world where the Patriots have played in 6 of the 13 Super Bowls during his lifetime. I told him that unless he starts rooting for UConn women's basketball he'll never see the likes of this again.
I'm sure this has been posted somewhere but it's still just mind boggling to think about.
Brady in the 4th quarter (and OT) of the last 2 Super Bowls:
34-42 for 370yds and 3 TD's. That's just a little over a half of football. One quarter was against a great defense and down 10. The other quarter he was down 19.
Brady in the 4th quarter (and OT) of the last 2 Super Bowls:
34-42 for 370yds and 3 TD's. That's just a little over a half of football. One quarter was against a great defense and down 10. The other quarter he was down 19.
I get riled up a little when Francesa and other Giants fans talk smack about the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Yes, they beat NE twice. Cannot take that away from them. But then many of them point to how close the Patriots' games were, and how "lucky" they were to win.
I'm like, wait a minute. The Giants are 4-1.
They pounded Denver once. Got annihilated by Baltimore once. And then won three close ones.
20-19 against Buffalo when Norwood missed a kick he probably normally makes.
17-14 against New England thanks in part to the ridiculous Tyree catch (and several holds on that play that were as bad as the Long holding call on Sunday, but weren't called on that Tyree play)
21-17 against New England when Welker couldn't haul in a pass he normally catches, and Gronk was practically playing on one foot.
The Giants *easily* could be 1-4 in Super Bowls. So the argument cuts both ways. And if the Giants went 1-4 in those games, that would mean two of them would have been Patriot wins, which would have put NE at 7-2.
In other words, Giants' fans are the last ones who should call the Patriots lucky in the Super Bowl.
I'm like, wait a minute. The Giants are 4-1.
They pounded Denver once. Got annihilated by Baltimore once. And then won three close ones.
20-19 against Buffalo when Norwood missed a kick he probably normally makes.
17-14 against New England thanks in part to the ridiculous Tyree catch (and several holds on that play that were as bad as the Long holding call on Sunday, but weren't called on that Tyree play)
21-17 against New England when Welker couldn't haul in a pass he normally catches, and Gronk was practically playing on one foot.
The Giants *easily* could be 1-4 in Super Bowls. So the argument cuts both ways. And if the Giants went 1-4 in those games, that would mean two of them would have been Patriot wins, which would have put NE at 7-2.
In other words, Giants' fans are the last ones who should call the Patriots lucky in the Super Bowl.
So, I was wondering how the Patriots' dynasty stacks up against the Bill Russell-era Celtics. 11 championships in 13 years is a pretty ridiculous accomplishment, but the Celtics played in a smaller league (8 or 9 teams for most of their run).
Anyways, the probability of doing what the Celtics did, assuming even odds for all the teams in the league, is 1 in 40 billion.
So, I didn't bother with the Patriots' numbers.
Anyways, the probability of doing what the Celtics did, assuming even odds for all the teams in the league, is 1 in 40 billion.
So, I didn't bother with the Patriots' numbers.
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A transforming victory. Before this you could make a case that the early 2000's were the glory years, and it's been below peak since. Even the SB win 2 years ago could be considered "lucky."
But that final quarter put a bright light on the character of a team that has shone for over 15 years. I've seen the PIT, DAL and SF years, and this tops them.
A pleasure to see two Boston dynasties in my lifetime. I loved the C's (they had a bit of a swagger as well) but what the Pats have done in an age of parity may be more impressive
But that final quarter put a bright light on the character of a team that has shone for over 15 years. I've seen the PIT, DAL and SF years, and this tops them.
A pleasure to see two Boston dynasties in my lifetime. I loved the C's (they had a bit of a swagger as well) but what the Pats have done in an age of parity may be more impressive
Two things I've been pondering....
I grew up in Foxboro and the first season I remember following the Pats was the 2-14 edition in 1981 when I was 8 years old. That means I logged 19 years of pre-Belichick Pats football and now we've finished 17 years of the Belichick era. It's mind blowing to me how long this run of excellence has been, approaching half my Pats fan life.
Prior to BB the best 5 year stretch of Pats football was probably the run from 1994-98 when they made the playoffs 4 times, won 10+ games three times, and had 1 Super Bowl appearance. I mean *that* was the high water mark before Belichick/Brady. Unreal.
I grew up in Foxboro and the first season I remember following the Pats was the 2-14 edition in 1981 when I was 8 years old. That means I logged 19 years of pre-Belichick Pats football and now we've finished 17 years of the Belichick era. It's mind blowing to me how long this run of excellence has been, approaching half my Pats fan life.
Prior to BB the best 5 year stretch of Pats football was probably the run from 1994-98 when they made the playoffs 4 times, won 10+ games three times, and had 1 Super Bowl appearance. I mean *that* was the high water mark before Belichick/Brady. Unreal.
Brady's go ahead drives in the previous 3 SB appearances got lost due to the defense falling apart (and being rescued in 49 by Malcolm). No way to ignore the 91 yard drive needing 8 to tie the game followed by 75 yard drive to win it. It also makes Brady 5-2 which looks a lot better than 4-3, and the Pats franchise over 500 again at 5-4. Really a huge change in legacy.
One factor that would be pretty tough to quantify in making this comparison is the amount of information available and the level of sophistication of how professional sports teams were run back then compared to how things work today. Red was basically a one-man front office and coaching staff. It's still pretty much unthinkable that the Celtics didn't stumble or run into some plain old bad luck somewhere along the line in one or two of those championship years. But in terms of BB and Red, I think it is actually more amazing how much better Belichick is than everyone else right now compared to how much better Red was than the other guys in the 60s.
Super Bowl 36 - The Patriots are reeling, having given up 14 straight points in the fourth quarter to the surging Rams. Madden says they should hold and play for OT. Brady drives them 53 yards in 1:14, setting up Vinatieri's game-winning field goal.
Super Bowl 38 - The Patriots are down 22-21 in the fourth quarter. Brady marches them 68 yards in 2:29 for a go-ahead TD (complete with 2-point conversion). After Carolina ties it up, Brady then moves them 37 yards in 59 seconds to set up Vinatieri's game-winning kick with mere seconds left in the game.
Super Bowl 42 - The Patriots are down 10-7 to the Giants late in the fourth quarter. Brady, having taken a beating all game long, leads a 75 yard drive in 5:12, culminating in a TD pass to Moss with two and a half minutes left to take the lead. The Giants, of course, would come down and win, but that was a great drive by Brady to take the lead.
Super Bowl 49 - The Patriots are down 10 points in the fourth quarter to an all-time great Seattle defense. He drives them 68 yards in 4:15 for a TD to cut the deficit to 3, and then again drives them 64 yards in 4:50 to take a 28-24 lead. It would hold up after Butler's interception at the goal line, preserving the win.
Super Bowl 51 - The Patriots are down 28-3 with eight and a half minutes left in the third quarter. From there, Brady would lead 5 straight scoring drives: 75 yards in 6:25 for a TD, 72 yards in 5:07 for a FG, 25 yards in 2:28 for a TD (plus 2-point conversion), 91 yards in 2:33 for a TD (plus 2-point conversion), and then in OT, 75 yards in 3:58 for the winning TD.
That's some serious, serious clutch play by Brady.
Super Bowl 38 - The Patriots are down 22-21 in the fourth quarter. Brady marches them 68 yards in 2:29 for a go-ahead TD (complete with 2-point conversion). After Carolina ties it up, Brady then moves them 37 yards in 59 seconds to set up Vinatieri's game-winning kick with mere seconds left in the game.
Super Bowl 42 - The Patriots are down 10-7 to the Giants late in the fourth quarter. Brady, having taken a beating all game long, leads a 75 yard drive in 5:12, culminating in a TD pass to Moss with two and a half minutes left to take the lead. The Giants, of course, would come down and win, but that was a great drive by Brady to take the lead.
Super Bowl 49 - The Patriots are down 10 points in the fourth quarter to an all-time great Seattle defense. He drives them 68 yards in 4:15 for a TD to cut the deficit to 3, and then again drives them 64 yards in 4:50 to take a 28-24 lead. It would hold up after Butler's interception at the goal line, preserving the win.
Super Bowl 51 - The Patriots are down 28-3 with eight and a half minutes left in the third quarter. From there, Brady would lead 5 straight scoring drives: 75 yards in 6:25 for a TD, 72 yards in 5:07 for a FG, 25 yards in 2:28 for a TD (plus 2-point conversion), 91 yards in 2:33 for a TD (plus 2-point conversion), and then in OT, 75 yards in 3:58 for the winning TD.
That's some serious, serious clutch play by Brady.
Side note -- I'm still annoyed at Belichick for running the ball on the third-and-long just before the Rams' last touchdown. The difference between 2 minutes and 2 1/2 minutes for the Greatest Show on Turf was meaningless. Convert the first down and the Pats could have taken a knee and walked out as 17-10 victors.