Celebrating What Is

lexrageorge

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I always felt as if Revis/Belichick was an arranged marriage of convenience. Revis wanted a chance to compete for a Super Bowl and needed to perform on a make-good deal. Bill needed to shore up the Pats defense after not having won a Super Bowl in 10 years.

Still, some of Revis comments reminded me of "they hate their coach".

As an aside, I recently came across an article in which several players from the 2004-2013 gap years were interviewed. One of them was Adalius Thomas, who infamously feuded with Belichick in 2009. Interestingly, he had good things to say about Belichick and his time with the Pats.
 

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I took the hint and searched for the article. Here is one of the AT quotes:

"The feel was different [in ’09]. The aura was different. The regime was changing over at linebacker: [Jerod] Mayo and Gary Guyton had come in; [Tedy] Bruschi and [Mike] Vrabel were out. The only guys left were me and Buddy Buddy, Junior [Seau]. The meetings and everything were just different. You could tell the change was coming about. Some of the older guys were getting out and they were rebuilding, and so as Bill says, he was doing what he felt was best for the team. And that's what he did."

It's a terrific read. Thanks!

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/02/03/oral-history-patriots-players-during-brady-belichick-super-bowl-gap-drought-daily-cover
 

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I thought of this while reading the Game 5 thread, especially how the Chiefs have had a really rough start to the season.

The Patriots (and Tom Brady in particular) broke football. All these pundits (won't call them experts) and ex-players were so hypnotized by what the Patriots did that they simply forgot the most basic aspect of football. Winning is hard. Mahomes is an incredible talent. Franchise QB. And yet, it was EXPECTED that he would one day challenge TB's Super Bowl record, because, simply put, they now believe that is what the best QB in the game does.
 

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Yeah, I've been saying that for awhile now. Mahomes is the best right now and has gotten off to an incredible start to his career, but it's bizarre the expectation that he'll win 3+ super bowls over the course of his career. For his part, he's already done something that Brady's never done - start off a season 2-3 or worse (not counting 2000). Here's hoping he breaks (or at least ties) another Brady milestone, deepest into the season he's been while under .500 (started off 3-4 in 2002).
 

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Totally agree. Rodgers hasn't played in a Super Bowl since 2010. Brees never played in one after 2009. These guys are both going in to the HoF on the first ballot. It's not that easy to maintain a great team around a great QB for an extended period of time.
 

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Yeah, I've been saying that for awhile now. Mahomes is the best right now and has gotten off to an incredible start to his career, but it's bizarre the expectation that he'll win 3+ super bowls over the course of his career. For his part, he's already done something that Brady's never done - start off a season 2-3 or worse (not counting 2000). Here's hoping he breaks (or at least ties) another Brady milestone, deepest into the season he's been while under .500 (started off 3-4 in 2002).
It’s definitely going to be more challenging in the short term for them at the division level with Herbert emerging as a future star and at the conference level as the AFC probably has the deepest crop of young established starters (Allen, Jackson, Mayfield, Burrow).
 

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@tims4wins posted the final drive of SB36 in the commentator thread in the media forum and I ended up going down the autoplay youtube hole. When Butler intercepted and the Pats were flagged for unsportsmanlike, does anyone know specifically why it was called?
 

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I thought of this while reading the Game 5 thread, especially how the Chiefs have had a really rough start to the season.

The Patriots (and Tom Brady in particular) broke football. All these pundits (won't call them experts) and ex-players were so hypnotized by what the Patriots did that they simply forgot the most basic aspect of football. Winning is hard. Mahomes is an incredible talent. Franchise QB. And yet, it was EXPECTED that he would one day challenge TB's Super Bowl record, because, simply put, they now believe that is what the best QB in the game does.
Yeah, I've been saying that for awhile now. Mahomes is the best right now and has gotten off to an incredible start to his career, but it's bizarre the expectation that he'll win 3+ super bowls over the course of his career. For his part, he's already done something that Brady's never done - start off a season 2-3 or worse (not counting 2000). Here's hoping he breaks (or at least ties) another Brady milestone, deepest into the season he's been while under .500 (started off 3-4 in 2002).
Totally agree. Rodgers hasn't played in a Super Bowl since 2010. Brees never played in one after 2009. These guys are both going in to the HoF on the first ballot. It's not that easy to maintain a great team around a great QB for an extended period of time.
It would be kind of funny if Brady ditched the Bucs after this run with this current group of young, cost-controlled players and moved to another stacked team to win a couple more rings.
 

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It would be kind of funny if Brady ditched the Bucs after this run with this current group of young, cost-controlled players and moved to another stacked team to win a couple more rings.
Be especially funny if he went to GB and won a ring or two there after Rodgers couldn't get it done for years.
 

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My bad. I meant, specifically. I wasn't sure if there was another angle or additional info on exactly what they did.
That was prior to the rule change allowing endzone celebrations (or the team wide celebrations you see with a defensive turnover nowadays). IIRC, a bunch of players ran onto the field to tackle Butler, and let's just say they didn't move off the field very quickly. The Pats ended up with the ball on the half yard line, and as any good Boston fan would do, a lot of us were freaking out about a safety and then a free kick that could have been returned (there was still 20 seconds or so left, and Seattle had a timeout), but Seattle's, Michael Bennett, jumped off sides and took a penalty for encroachment, allowing Brady the room he needed to kneel down and end the game.
 

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That was prior to the rule change allowing endzone celebrations (or the team wide celebrations you see with a defensive turnover nowadays). IIRC, a bunch of players ran onto the field to tackle Butler, and let's just say they didn't move off the field very quickly. The Pats ended up with the ball on the half yard line, and as any good Boston fan would do, a lot of us were freaking out about a safety and then a free kick that could have been returned (there was still 20 seconds or so left, and Seattle had a timeout), but Seattle's, Michael Bennett, jumped off sides and took a penalty for encroachment, allowing Brady the room he needed to kneel down and end the game.
I’m convinced BB’s favorite part of the sequence was drawing Bennett’s encroachment because they executed the hard count wonderfully in a spot specifically geared toward drawing the guy with the most encroachment/offside penalties in the league that year. Exploitation of opponent tendencies in very specific and unusual game situations they almost certainly practiced at some point is his jam.
 

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I’m convinced BB’s favorite part of the sequence was drawing Bennett’s encroachment because they executed the hard count wonderfully in a spot specifically geared toward drawing the guy with the most encroachment/offside penalties in the league that year. Exploitation of opponent tendencies in very specific and unusual game situations they almost certainly practiced at some point is his jam.
I agree. I was holding my breath until that moment. It seemed like it would be difficult to even get back to the LOS on a sneak or run play, and so a safety seemed like a very real possibility. That is, until Bennett jumped offside. Ha.

I think BB *loved* that moment.
 

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I agree. I was holding my breath until that moment. It seemed like it would be difficult to even get back to the LOS on a sneak or run play, and so a safety seemed like a very real possibility. That is, until Bennett jumped offside. Ha.

I think BB *loved* that moment.
There's a clip in one of the documentaries with BB talking about hard counts from the 1 yard line and how effective they are because you're trading a .5 yard penalty on the offense for a false start or delay of game against the 5 yards on the defense.

Found it: View: https://youtu.be/Dn1cv1p1WTo?t=14m07s
 
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