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rodderick

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Your list isn't bad, but Gronk made me lol. The last time we saw Gronk before this season was when he was being held back by his QB in the SB LIII...;)

But you and @johnmd20 made fair points and while we disagree on how good he is, we all think he is very good for a 43-year-old.

I will ask can this be moved by a dope to the TompaBay thread, as it seems to fit better there.
I think Gronkowski doesn't approach his level of production in 2020 with pretty much any other QB. Their chemistry is amazing and a lot of his catches required a high dosage of trust, can't recall him generating a lot of separation or doing much damage after the catch this year.
 

Al Zarilla

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Man, that first playoff touchdown must have been 70 years ago, the telecast is so snowy. And, yet, somehow, it's in color? Brady sure has been playing a long, long time.
 
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tims4wins

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Brady now has more conference championship + SB wins (17) than Montana had total playoff wins.

If he wins 6 more playoff games he’ll have won 40. Peyton Manning threw 40 TDs in his playoff career. Teehee.
 

Deathofthebambino

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I think Gronkowski doesn't approach his level of production in 2020 with pretty much any other QB. Their chemistry is amazing and a lot of his catches required a high dosage of trust, can't recall him generating a lot of separation or doing much damage after the catch this year.
If it's not for Tom Brady, Antonio Brown might very well be in jail right now, and is certainly not in the NFL.

So yeah, I'd say Brady elevated AB's game this season.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

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The acquisition of AB really seemed to solidify that team. His numbers weren't off the charts but I think he's the kind of security blanket to move the chains that makes everyone else better in a Brady offense.

Their defense also got better. Clearly. But when you look back over the last couple of years and Brady's clear desire to play with Brown, he plainly has enough awareness of his own game to understand fairly clearly what enables him to be great.
 

Deathofthebambino

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The acquisition of AB really seemed to solidify that team. His numbers weren't off the charts but I think he's the kind of security blanket to move the chains that makes everyone else better in a Brady offense.

Their defense also got better. Clearly. But when you look back over the last couple of years and Brady's clear desire to play with Brown, he plainly has enough awareness of his own game to understand fairly clearly what enables him to be great.
The idea that Tom Brady doesn't make his teammates better is so foreign an idea to me that I don't know how to even consider it, but here's another data point:

Coming into this season, for their careers, Mike Evans had a catch % of 55.3% and Godwin was 66.1%.

This season, Evans was 64.2% and Godwin was 77.4%.
 

BaseballJones

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The idea that Tom Brady doesn't make his teammates better is so foreign an idea to me that I don't know how to even consider it, but here's another data point:

Coming into this season, for their careers, Mike Evans had a catch % of 55.3% and Godwin was 66.1%.

This season, Evans was 64.2% and Godwin was 77.4%.
To your point...

Antonio Brown, until playing with Tom Brady: 65.6% catch rate.
Antonio Brown, playing with Tom Brady: 70.0% catch rate.