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Take away the comic sans letter and the churn and burn of well respected GMs and Gilbert would probably be viewed as on one of the better owners in the league. He’s spared no expense over the years to put the best possible team around Lebron.
 

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Take away the comic sans letter and the churn and burn of well respected GMs and Gilbert would probably be viewed as on one of the better owners in the league. He’s spared no expense over the years to put the best possible team around Lebron.
Except his refusal to extend David Griffin, which was really weird.
 

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Cavs spent a LOT of $ to make one last run. They took on something like $67MM in future commitments. They are going to pay the repeater tax next year whether or not LBJ resigns.

That's on top of their $50MM tax bill this year.
How do you get to $67MM?

They took on Hill ($20MM), Nance ($2MM) and Clarkson ($26MM) and shed Shump ($11MM) and Crowder ($15MM) for a net of 22MM.

Of those future dollars only Clarkson is a real drag. Nance is an asset and Hill will effectively be an expiring contract next year.
 
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wade boggs chicken dinner

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How do you get to $67MM?

They took on Hill ($20MM), Nance ($2MM) and Clarkson ($26MM) and shed Shump ($11MM) and Crowder ($15MM) for a net of 22MM.

Of those future dollars only Clarkson is a real drag. Nance is an asset and Hill will effectively be an expiring contract next year.
I got it from the tweet below that I had seen when the IT trade first came down. (I was doing the math from memory so it's slightly off.)

From a very quick look today, I wouldn't be surprised if the figures in the tweet below are incorrect.

edit: one example is that I think the tweet was using Hill's full 3/$57MM when only $20MM of that deal is guaranteed after next year. Still, even if you are correct and the net is $22MM, that amount for next year will probably mean that CLE has to pay the luxury tax again next year.

 

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How do you get to $67MM?

They took on Hill ($20MM), Nance ($2MM) and Clarkson ($26MM) and shed Shump ($11MM) and Crowder ($15MM) for a net of 22MM.

Of those future dollars only Clarkson is a real drag. Nance is an asset and Hill will effectively be an expiring contract next year.
This article confirms that your math is correct, so thanks for that. The salary implications of CLE's trades as the following, which is still a ton of money:

  • Increased spending this season by $10,706,233 ($582,337 in prorated salary, $6,923,896 in increased luxury tax, $3,200,000 in cash sent to the Kings and Jazz - NOTE: I DIDN"T KNOW THAT CLE SENT CASH ALONG IN THOSE TRADES) plus the cost of additional players with two cleared roster spots, which be taxed at 425% of their salaries
  • Increased its 2018-19 payroll by $15,455,332 – not counting paying Hood in restricted free agency or the luxury tax.
  • Increased its 2019-20 payroll by $6,621,967.
 

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LeBron pumping up his new teammates big time in his postgame—and spending more time than usual on it.
He has to be ecstatic! This new look Cavs team covers nearly all of the weaknesses that has been evident all season. They can suddenly play with energy, defend, move the ball, and have explosive depth. Yikes!!
 

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Nets pick is still an asset. Even a 15-20% chance of a top 3 pick in this draft is a major chip towards rebuilding (if LeBron leaves) or a trade (if he stays).
 

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If Cleveland can shoot 50% from beyond the arc the rest of the way, these trades were the best ever. They will roll everyone in their path including Toronto, Houston and Golden State.
 

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If Cleveland can shoot 50% from beyond the arc the rest of the way, these trades were the best ever. They will roll everyone in their path including Toronto, Houston and Golden State.
They could have shot 33% from 3 against us today and still had gotten a road win in Boston. The better Cavs shooting has a lot to do with having better shooters on the floor understanding that the ball going through LeBron is going to get them open looks. The Hill-Isaiah upgrade is enormous especially on the defensive end......this cannot be overstated.
 

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Were the Cavs deals total fleecings of the Lakers/Jazz/Kings? Or did Cleveland's taking on money help those teams in a meaningful way? I guess LA got its shot at LeBron by offloading money.

Those added contracts may not be all that bad for Cleveland, though, whio will be over the cap and need to work via salary-matching trades.
 

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Were the Cavs deals total fleecings of the Lakers/Jazz/Kings? Or did Cleveland's taking on money help those teams in a meaningful way? I guess LA got its shot at LeBron by offloading money.

Those added contracts may not be all that bad for Cleveland, though, whio will be over the cap and need to work via salary-matching trades.
The way I look at it.....


Sacramento initially acquired Hill so Fox wouldnt be forced to start as a rookie which imo is the worst way for a PG to enter the league unless you are a super elite talent. Hill was never for SacTown longer than 18 months from the signing imo and was probably going to be looked at being moved sooner rather than later even if he was fitting in there so for the Kings this was expected since the summer.

Lakers cleared space for this summer or next. They are a clear winner of the Cavs 3 trade partners in getting Clarkson's deal off the books and it's great for him as he will be a great asset scoring off the bench for the Cavs.

Utah essentially swapped out Hood for Crowder. Blah blah blah for them.
 

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Were the Cavs deals total fleecings of the Lakers/Jazz/Kings? Or did Cleveland's taking on money help those teams in a meaningful way? I guess LA got its shot at LeBron by offloading money.

Those added contracts may not be all that bad for Cleveland, though, whio will be over the cap and need to work via salary-matching trades.
LAL got cap relief and a draft pick.

UT got an asset for Hood when they were going to let him walk at the end of the year.

SAC got cap relief and Hill wasn't playing.

The takeaway is that there are so many bad contracts in the NBA that if an owner wants to spend money, there is talent to be had.

While CLE improved what's around LBJ, they are theoretically worse off without him on the floor. They don't have a second scorer at all. LBJ is still averaging 37 minutes a game this year and we'll see just how superhuman he can be. I mean this team probably better than the team that ended up playing GSW in their first finals..
 

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Interesting piece here from Kevin Pelton about what he got wrong about the Kyrie trade: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22393420/why-did-get-kyrie-irving-trade-wrong-kevin-pelton-nba

Basically the declines suffered by IT and Crowder are unprecedented. Guys that good don't become sub-replacement level that fast.
Crowder went 15/5/3 tonight in his return to a well coached team. When the dust settles, I'm not at all convinced the story won't be that the Cavs have a terrible coach, not that people actually got the Kyrie trade wrong.
 

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Crowder went 15/5/3 tonight in his return to a well coached team. When the dust settles, I'm not at all convinced the story won't be that the Cavs have a terrible coach, not that people actually got the Kyrie trade wrong.
What would Crowder have to do for people to actually feel that the Cavs got the trade right? I can't envision a single scenario short of Zizic morphing into Gasol.