Tatum hasn't signed his second contract yet. Why are some of you people lamenting what might go wrong four years from now. WTF.
In 5 years, the only team that won’t be able to offer Tatum an undisputed alpha role is Dallas.Call me crazy (I’ve been called worse), but I have to believe that they look up in the rafters and see all the banners and that has to mean *something* to these guys. Maybe not enough to keep them here over a huge pile of money. But something.
The Celtics will be able to offer Tatum:
(1) Undisputed alpha role,
(2) A quality team around him,
(3) Championship history, and
(4) More money than anyone else.
I’m hoping that’s enough.
Right. But nobody will be able to offer more money than Boston, if I understand the rules right.In 5 years, the only team that won’t be able to offer Tatum an undisputed alpha role is Dallas.
My dream is in the next 12-18 months Beal demands out of Washington and wants to play with Tatum.We're a year away from Tatum being the type of guy players around the league want to team up with. He doesn't have the pull that the LeBrons and Durants of the world have yet, but he's well in his way.
Which is another reason why getting someone like Turner or someone else in that salary range would have been incredibly helpful. A guy who is viewed as anything other than a massive negative who can help match Salaries for a player like Beal is very valuable. Especially when the only player we have in that range is a core member of the reamMy dream is in the next 12-18 months Beal demands out of Washington and wants to play with Tatum.
People keep treating the fact that we don’t have bad contracts like it is a problem. I don’t get it. The Celtics have plenty of money committed now and in the future. The lack of bad contracts is a feature, not a bug.Which is another reason why getting someone like Turner or someone else in that salary range would have been incredibly helpful. A guy who is viewed as anything other than a massive negative who can help match Salaries for a player like Beal is very valuable. Especially when the only player we have in that range is a core member of the ream
2-3 years before you start worrying about him wanting outTatum hasn't signed his second contract yet. Why are some of you people lamenting what might go wrong four years from now. WTF.
I was responding to someone who said their dream is to trade for Beal.People keep treating the fact that we don’t have bad contracts like it is a problem. I don’t get it. The Celtics have plenty of money committed now and in the future. The lack of bad contracts is a feature, not a bug.
Tatum will still sign his max extension in the next couple weeks. By the time he is up for his next contract, it will be a different team, and a different league. Next season’s team would be better with Myles Turner, but unless you think he was the piece that would vault the C’s into true title contention, I don’t think the events of the last 48 hours will loom large years from now.Well, the C's were hoping to contend for a title. Realistically that is not happening this year or the next two years. And chances of Tatum leaving are higher if there is no path to a title. So...Charlotte and Indiana are screwed but they weren't positioned to be competitive anyways.
At this point, best case is that Kemba can play 30-40 games and playoffs well
#1 is not in doubt, and neither is #4.Call me crazy (I’ve been called worse), but I have to believe that they look up in the rafters and see all the banners and that has to mean *something* to these guys. Maybe not enough to keep them here over a huge pile of money. But something.
The Celtics will be able to offer Tatum:
(1) Undisputed alpha role,
(2) A quality team around him,
(3) Championship history, and
(4) More money than anyone else.
I’m hoping that’s enough.
Knicks schadenfreude aside, there's something to be said for the fact that even they wouldn't go 4x30 for Hayward, nevermind tie up another 9 stretching someone to make it happen. I think that they deserve some credit for striking out here.With FVV and Hayward now officially off the board I believe this completes another year of the annual Knicks strike out on every major free agent they tried to sign, so the Hornets can take pride in the fact that they aren't the single worst run franchise in the league.
Was going to post basically this. There was a lot of sturm-und-drang here last off-season when Al basically did the exact same thing (took a ridiculous contract to go somewhere else) and then by like 2 months into the season everyone was saying “thank god we didn’t re-sign Al.”I don't get the doom mongering. I think the sportswriters will make a big deal out of this, yeah, but remember how they anointed Philly the team of destiny last year after it picked up Horford, and how that worked out? There are just too many unknowns about how teams will gel, and players will develop.
If Hayward really was unhappy with his role here, well, I kind of agree with the Boston Globe writer that recently said it wasn't the fault of the Celtics. He had a horrific injury. After recovering from it, for a while he played like crap. If anything, Brad was too generous giving him minutes. I remember the gamethreads, and people wondering why Brad kept throwing Hayward out there when couldn't elevate and looked like a ghost of his former self.
So now, if Danny did nothing further this off season, at the worst the kids will get a chance to develop. R. Williams, who is still learning the game, will hopefully take a big step forward. We'll see what we have in Nesmith. Romeo (fingers crossed) will pick up minutes and won't get hurt again. Hayward's departure might embolden Grant to take a bigger offensive role, and he may show us whether he can create shots near the basket. And the Celts will have some salary cap space, and thus flexibility, to add pieces later in the season when Ainge gets a better sense of what he's missing.
Hell, I'm jacked about the upcoming season.
The ink on that Charlotte contract won’t have time to dry before it’s considered a cap killer.Guys, what if Romeo is good? Relax...
Also, I’m retrospectively lol @ the 4/80, 4/100 discussion.
We are so bad at this.
This is the same team that made game 6 of the eastern conference finals that they could have won and you are saying they won't contend for a title for two years? Care to explain yourself?Well, the C's were hoping to contend for a title. Realistically that is not happening this year or the next two years. And chances of Tatum leaving are higher if there is no path to a title. So...Charlotte and Indiana are screwed but they weren't positioned to be competitive anyways.
At this point, best case is that Kemba can play 30-40 games and playoffs well
Well none of us are capable of putting ourselves in the headspace of GM MJ, it must be similar to being Gary Busey in the 90s.Guys, what if Romeo is good? Relax...
Also, I’m retrospectively lol @ the 4/80, 4/100 discussion.
We are so bad at this.
They were getting a clear win, the local hero. At the cost of shitty contracts and a backup PG. But that wasn't enough for Pritchard, who has done this at every stop. This isn't He's not allowed to make mistakes in Indiana!!! thing. Because he just made a made a huge mistake. This is Pritchard's pathological need to be seen as fleecing everyone in every trade.I misunderstood who you were referring to and of course you are correct that letting Holiday kill this deal was malfeasance on Pritchard's part. But he's not as free as Danny to make a mistake, and given public sentiment in Indiana, he felt he needed what they saw as a clear win in this trade.
To be clear, we're just guessing at who was asking for what. But my guess would also be that Pritchard made the bigger mistake, as it's a very rare opportunity for IND to add a guy like Hayward in FA whereas Danny still had the chance of re-signing him or pulling of a S&T. Not great job by either of them, but pretty tough to defend Pritchard here.They were getting a clear win, the local hero. At the cost of shitty contracts and a backup PG. But that wasn't enough for Pritchard, who has done this at every stop. This isn't He's not allowed to make mistakes in Indiana!!! thing. Because he just made a made a huge mistake. This is Pritchard's pathological need to be seen as fleecing everyone in every trade.
Someone should tell them that they ended up with nothing too and that the celtics are way closer to actually winning anything than they are.Fwiw, Pacers Digest forum is pretty stoked that the Celtics ended up with nothing in this deal (at least for now). They really seem to dislike Danny.
If Pritchard is ever Boston's starting PG it's because Tatum has taken a leap into top 10 all time performance and Brown is a top 15 player. Otherwise he's a perfectly good backup PG candidate that you don't want starting games unless the guy in front of him is injured.In the 2022-23 season...
Tatum will be an perennial MVP candidate.
Brown will be a perennial all-star.
Nesmith will be an instant offense 15 ppg sniper off the bench.
Pritchard will be a solid starting point guard able to give you 25 on a given night, but will average more like 13 points and 8 assists.
Langford will be a lockdown defensive wing able to slash for double-digit points.
And they'll have solid vets in key roles like center and off the bench.
That team, if it breaks like that (and it's not crazy), would be a very very very very tough team for anyone else in the league to handle.
And Tatum and Brown will want to leave because the weather sucks, or the media sucks, or for some other reason. Which is why it’s so tough to win in this league unless you’re in LA or Miami.In the 2022-23 season...
Tatum will be an perennial MVP candidate.
Brown will be a perennial all-star.
Nesmith will be an instant offense 15 ppg sniper off the bench.
Pritchard will be a solid starting point guard able to give you 25 on a given night, but will average more like 13 points and 8 assists.
Langford will be a lockdown defensive wing able to slash for double-digit points.
And they'll have solid vets in key roles like center and off the bench.
That team, if it breaks like that (and it's not crazy), would be a very very very very tough team for anyone else in the league to handle.
No kidding. How many banners are the freakin’ Pacers hanging from the rafters these days?? Talk about your Losers’ Lament. You just failed to bring a local hero home. GJGE.Someone should tell them that they ended up with nothing too and that the celtics are way closer to actually winning anything than they are.
I think that they know that, but they're still glad that someone else might be unhappy. It reminds me of the time that a 7 series BMW blew by me on the pike and fishtailed and clipped the guardrail. I was driving a Tercel with 120K miles and a hole in the muffler, but I was still glad at the moment not to be that fucking guy.Someone should tell them that they ended up with nothing too and that the celtics are way closer to actually winning anything than they are.
Youve mentioned this more than a few times, when did this start? I ask because that Paul George trade was universally seen as an awful trade for Pritchard and he was widely ridiculed. Did this pathological need, as you describe it, arise because of that PG trade?They were getting a clear win, the local hero. At the cost of shitty contracts and a backup PG. But that wasn't enough for Pritchard, who has done this at every stop. This isn't He's not allowed to make mistakes in Indiana!!! thing. Because he just made a made a huge mistake. This is Pritchard's pathological need to be seen as fleecing everyone in every trade.
This deserves love.Dumpman
The attitude in this town stinks and it sucks.And Tatum and Brown will want to leave because the weather sucks, or the media sucks, or for some other reason. Which is why it’s so tough to win in this league unless you’re in LA or Miami.
Eh. Is giving up assets to sign oft-injured Heyward to a big contract really a huge mistake? Seems like Pritchard may have dodged a bullet. That Charlotte deal doesn't look good.They were getting a clear win, the local hero. At the cost of shitty contracts and a backup PG. But that wasn't enough for Pritchard, who has done this at every stop. This isn't He's not allowed to make mistakes in Indiana!!! thing. Because he just made a made a huge mistake. This is Pritchard's pathological need to be seen as fleecing everyone in every trade.
I can think of a couple reasons that Hayward's going to be unhappy, he clearly wanted to play for his home team, almost certainly reached a wink wink agreement with them during the hiatus given that he and his family moved back home. And now rather than getting to play in front of the home team and go home to his family every night, he's living in an apartment in Charlotte.I can think of 120 million reasons he won't be too upset.
Unfortunately Tommy is gone. Paul Pierce (one of my three favorite players of all time) is not viewed as a legend by this generation of players, and nobody cares what an old white guy who played a bunch of other white guys in the 50’s thinks about hoops. Danny isn’t a legend, he’s management. Looking in the rafters and seeing banners older than your parents is not enticing, I’m sorry. There is no mystique and aura, and that’s alright. If Tatum is who we think he is, he can attract others, but that requires banners that aren’t old enough to be the grandparents of the players on the court. I don’t think it’s a point of contention to acknowledge that.Unless they ever looked up at the ceiling or asked Danny, or Heinsohn, or Cousy, or Pierce or any of the other Celtics legends I'm sure they've had in to talk to the team about what it means to be a Celtic.
Hayward picked Charlotte. No one forced him to sign there. He could have waited a few days to see if Boston and Indiana worked things out. He took the money. This was his choice.I can think of a couple reasons that Hayward's going to be unhappy, he clearly wanted to play for his home team, almost certainly reached a wink wink agreement with them during the hiatus given that he and his family moved back home. And now rather than getting to play in front of the home team and go home to his family every night, he's living in an apartment in Charlotte.
And, yes, Bartelstein's going to be pissed that a GM backed out of a deal on him after he went through all this. Because if he hadn't already had an offer in hand from the Pacers then he likely has Hayward pick up the option on and works out a trade to a desired location.
What in the name of tarnation are you babbling about? No one's saying that anyone's a fucking victim. But Hayward ain't going to be overjoyed about the Pacers backing out of their deal with him. If he'd known that the Pacers were going to welch I'm pretty certain that the family would have held off moving until they knew his next destination.Hayward picked Charlotte. No one forced him to sign there. He could have waited a few days to see if Boston and Indiana worked things out. He took the money. This was his choice.
Hayward is not a victim.
The Pacers didn't back out. You can make the argument Hayward backed out. You just have this raging hatred for Pritchard and it's obvious.What in the name of tarnation are you babbling about? No one's saying that anyone's a fucking victim. But Hayward ain't going to be overjoyed about the Pacers backing out of their deal with him. If he'd known that the Pacers were going to welch I'm pretty certain that the family would have held off moving until they knew his next destination.
And, yeah, I don't think that Mark Bartelstein will be returning phone calls to Pritchard anytime soon, because no matter what the financial results he now knows absolutely that Pritchard can't be trusted to keep his word.
That's why "The Last Dance" annoyed the shit out of me. MJ (and lesser extent Phil) just trashing Krause when MJ has been a disaster, and Phil with the Knicks was almost as bad.The ink on that Charlotte contract won’t have time to dry before it’s considered a cap killer.
My guess was 4/$100 would have been the top range for GH. The extra $5m a year is an incentive to waste the rest of his career struggling to play .500 ball in Charlotte
Indiana has no cap space. If he and his agent thought it was a done deal, they are stupid. There was nothing to agree to. It was not in Pritchard's hands. He could only attempt to make a deal.Clearly the Haywards decided that they wanted to pack up stakes and move everything to Indianapolis for a few months before going house hunting in a new market. Clearly there never was a handshake deal between the parties and when Kyrie texted people in December of 2018 that he and Brooklyn had reached an agreement he was lying to people. Clearly you're the only rational person in existence.