Carp's Return and Roster Fallout

[Yelling At Clouds]

https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/473208838607613953
 
They're running out of 1Bmen. So, Nava back up? More Brock Holt! at first? Hassan or Cecchini gets a longer-than-expected stay? Bring up Travis Shaw way sooner than expected?

 

[curly2]

Cue the Cafardo "the Sox should sign Kendrys Morales" stories.

 

[Rasputin]

So let me get this straight. We have five catchers on the 40 man and none of them get hurt but every single other player on the 40 man goes on the DL at the same time.
 
Is that how this works?

 

[Adrian's Dome]

Looking like "where are they going to play Holt when Drew comes up?" won't be an issue.

 

[bosockboy]

Tough for Carp but definitely solves some roster problems when all is healthy.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

This opens the door for Nava to return.  But I think Holt has to get the nod over him at 1B vs RHP at least.
 
Also should allow them to keep Herrera on the roster for a while longer, much to the chagrin of the Herrerror crowd.

 

[Yelling At Clouds]

Cue the Cafardo "the Sox should sign Kendrys Morales" stories.

 
After Thursday, draft-pick compensation is off the table, so depending on the cost, that might not be such a terrible idea.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

 
After Thursday, draft-pick compensation is off the table, so depending on the cost, that might not be such a terrible idea.

 
And by Sunday, Napoli will be back rendering Morales entirely expendable again.  Signing Morales strikes me as getting stitches to close a paper cut, especially with the way Holt is swinging the bat right now.  It's not as though the Sox are desperate for 1B at the moment.

 

[MakMan44]

EDIT:Beaten to it

 

[curly2]

So let me get this straight. We have five catchers on the 40 man and none of them get hurt but every single other player on the 40 man goes on the DL at the same time.
 
Is that how this works?

 
I guess Lavarnway will be glad to know he's not really hurt. 

 

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

Cue the Cafardo "the Sox should sign Kendrys Morales" stories.

The heck with "should sign Morales", this is a prime opportunity for him to point out how the "Sox should have signed Teixeira" in the first place

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

The heck with "should sign Morales", this is a prime opportunity for him to point out how the "Sox should have signed Teixeira" in the first place

 
No, no, no...that's Mazz territory.

 

[MakMan44]

EDIT: Stop it RHF 

 

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

 
No, no, no...that's Mazz territory.

I forgot, Teix fired Boras, didn't he.......

 

[bosockboy]

At full health, the bench would be Ross, Gomes/Nava, Holt with Herrera or WMB as the 25th man. Or possibly JBJ if they upgrade CF.

 

[E5 Yaz]

All these injuries, and not one of them happened to Grady Sizemore

 

[MakMan44]

All these injuries, and not one of them happened to Grady Sizemore

Astounding

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

This opens the door for Nava to return.  But I think Holt has to get the nod over him at 1B vs RHP at least.

 
Was that a typo?.....Holt has a career reverse split (which certainly got wider today), and his OPS vs. LHP is >100 points better than Nava's. RHP are the only pitchers Nava should ever be allowed to face.

 

[Yelling At Clouds]

And unsurprisingly, Nava will be back up:
 
https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/473214840186474496

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

All these injuries, and not one of them happened to Grady Sizemore

 
The way this MLB season is progressing with injuries I wouldn't be stunned if he actually made it through healthy. Wonder what the vegas odds were on that scenario! Nava can't stay hitting under .150 forever so I would bet on him turning it on once he returns and gets regular playing time. 

 

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

EDIT: Stop it RHF 

Teixeira currently being hurt would be conveniently overlooked by Cafardo

 

[Rasputin]

 
I guess Lavarnway will be glad to know he's not really hurt. 

 
Oh yeah, right, I suck, nevermind.

 

[glennhoffmania]

How the fuck did they not know he had a broken foot when they let him play yesterday?

 

[joyofsox]

How the fuck did they not know he had a broken foot when they let him play yesterday?

 
Speier: "Though initial X-rays had been negative, a CT-scan prior to Sunday’s game revealed the fracture"
http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2014/06/01/mike-carp-to-go-on-dl-with-fractured-right-foot-daniel-nava-coming-back/

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Couldn't they bring Drew up now (if they wanted to) on the injury exemption?

 

[MakMan44]

Couldn't they bring Drew up now (if they wanted to) on the injury exemption?

They did.  Doesn't seem official yet but multiple sources are saying he was going to be called up tomorrow anyway
 
http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2014/06/stephen_drew_and_daniel_nava_t.html

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Couldn't they bring Drew up now (if they wanted to) on the injury exemption?

 
I could have sworn I read something the other day that said that the waiver process locked him into the 10-day window regardless, but I can't find it now.  And it very well could have been a writer explaining the normal 10-day thing very poorly.
 
But it doesn't really matter, his 10 days expire after today anyway.  He can be recalled tomorrow without a hitch, probably in place of Cecchini.

 

[Darnell's Son]

They did.  Doesn't seem official yet but multiple sources are saying he was going to be called up tomorrow anyway
 
http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2014/06/stephen_drew_and_daniel_nava_t.html

 
 

 
I could have sworn I read something the other day that said that the waiver process locked him into the 10-day window regardless, but I can't find it now.  And it very well could have been a writer explaining the normal 10-day thing very poorly.
 
But it doesn't really matter, his 10 days expire after today anyway.  He can be recalled tomorrow without a hitch, probably in place of Cecchini.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Verducci said at some point yesterday that Drew would be with the team Monday.

 

[shepard50]

 
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Verducci said at some point yesterday that Drew would be with the team Monday.

Confirmed, as well as accompanying roster moves.
 

 
 
The Red Sox on Monday will add shortstop Stephen Drew to the active roster, reports MassLive.com's Jason Mastrodonato. In related moves, the Sox are expected to place outfielder Mike Carp on the DL with a broken foot, option third baseman Garin Cecchini back to the minors and recall outfielder Daniel Nava.

 

[radsoxfan]

How the fuck did they not know he had a broken foot when they let him play yesterday?

 
CT scans (and MRIs) exist for a reason.  They are better than X-Rays.  
 
Teams should use them liberally if they have any reasonable concern for fractures, just like the Sox did with Pedroia's hand. For whatever reason, I guess the Sox weren't as concerned about Carp's foot at first. 

 

[mabrowndog]

 
CT scan's (and MRI's) exist for a reason.  They are better than X-Rays.  
 
Teams should use them liberally if they have any reasonable concern for fractures, just like the Sox did with Pedroia's hand. For whatever reason, I guess the Sox weren't as concerned about Carp's foot at first. 

 
Thanks for this. I just deleted my way-too-verbose post asking about this very thing.
 
I seem to recall there was a similar issue with Ellsbury when he re-injured his ribs on the diving catch a few years back. And I can't help thinking there were at least a couple of other issues with this club where a player was suspected of possibly having a fracture, X-rays showed nothing, but further testing via CT scan revealed fracture(s) several days after the original injury.
 
How ridiculous that Carp was hurt Tuesday night, and they don't find out it's broken until 5 days later. It's even more ridiculous that they let him play in the interim before more conclusive testing was performed. Yet there he was on Friday night, jumping up & down as the team mobbed Xander after the walk-off.
 
Good thing we have a hard-driving and focused reporting contingent covering the team and asking Farrell & Cherington the tough questions about issues like this. 
 
Oh, wait...

 

[glennhoffmania]

 
CT scans (and MRIs) exist for a reason.  They are better than X-Rays.  
 
Teams should use them liberally if they have any reasonable concern for fractures, just like the Sox did with Pedroia's hand. For whatever reason, I guess the Sox weren't as concerned about Carp's foot at first. 

 
Yeah I get that, but I can't understand how the guy can have a broken foot and even if the x-ray is negative they still somehow thought he was able to play last night.  I'm sure it was very sore and swollen.  Just because the x-ray was negative doesn't mean he should be in a game.

 

[radsoxfan]

 
Yeah I get that, but I can't understand how the guy can have a broken foot and even if the x-ray is negative they still somehow thought he was able to play last night.  I'm sure it was very sore and swollen.  Just because the x-ray was negative doesn't mean he should be in a game.

 
But if you are a player, and a doctor tells you your foot is just bruised and not broken, you are going to want to try to play.  I'm sure it was still sore, but what counts as "too sore" to play? It's entirely subjective, and people have different pain tolerances.  
 
Also, for a guy who hasn't been getting much playing time this season, I doubt Carp wants to tell his manager he can't play with a bruised foot.  Players often have to be protected from themselves. 

 

[glennhoffmania]

 
But if you are a player, and a doctor tells you your foot is just bruised and not broken, you are going to want to try to play.  I'm sure it was still sore, but what counts as "too sore" to play? It's entirely subjective, and people have different pain tolerances.  
 
Also, for a guy who hasn't been getting much playing time this season, I doubt Carp wants to tell his manager he can't play with a bruised foot.  Players often have to be protected from themselves. 

 
All valid.  I guess I'm going based on my own experience.  I broke my foot once and I could barely put any weight on it.  There was no way I could've played baseball.  Walking was very painful.  So I guess I'm confused about how someone with a broken foot could even fool the trainers and coaches even if he wanted to give it a shot.

 

[radsoxfan]

 
All valid.  I guess I'm going based on my own experience.  I broke my foot once and I could barely put any weight on it.  There was no way I could've played baseball.  Walking was very painful.  So I guess I'm confused about how someone with a broken foot could even fool the trainers and coaches even if he wanted to give it a shot.

 
Not all fractures are created equal.  And considering the X-ray didn't show anything, I'm guessing the fracture was non-displaced.  People routinely play on stress fractures for awhile before they realize they actually have a more serious injury.  

 

[Reverend]

 
All valid.  I guess I'm going based on my own experience.  I broke my foot once and I could barely put any weight on it.  There was no way I could've played baseball.  Walking was very painful.  So I guess I'm confused about how someone with a broken foot could even fool the trainers and coaches even if he wanted to give it a shot.

 
Yeah, don't do that. Like radsoxfan said, that's just pertinent. I know someone who walked around on his broken foot for six months while his girlfriend made fun of him for complaining it hurt that also has no bearing on Carp's injury.

 

[Mooch]

Not all fractures are created equal.  And considering the X-ray didn't show anything, I'm guessing the fracture was non-displaced.  People routinely play on stress fractures for awhile before they realize they actually have a more serious injury.

My stress fracture after running the Boston Marathon in 2013 didn't show up on an initial X Ray. I was initially misdiagnosed with gout by two doctors until the MRI showed the broken foot.

 

[glennhoffmania]

 
Not all fractures are created equal.  And considering the X-ray didn't show anything, I'm guessing the fracture was non-displaced.  People routinely play on stress fractures for awhile before they realize they actually have a more serious injury.  

 
Of course.  I'm not trying to start a lynch mob to chase down the medical staff here.  I was just really surprised by the news. 

 

[soxhop411]

Nick Cafardo ‏@nickcafardo  54s
Mike carp should be activated today.
 
Who gets sent down?

 

[CGSO]

Mookie?

 

[absintheofmalaise]

Multiple sources have Herrera with the empty locker. 

 

[Corsi]

 

Sean McAdam ‏@Sean_McAdam  1m
And yes, for those asking, Herrera does have options. Assume he's headed to Pawtucket. #RedSoxTalk
 

 

[vadertime]

Doesn't make much sense to send Herrera down.  Give Mookie regular AB in Pawtucket.  Keep Herrera up and you may get a contender looking for a utility guy , which would net you a fringe prospect or cash.  Or even package him when decide to start selling.

 

[Corsi]

Red Sox optioned INF Jonathan Herrera to Triple-A Pawtucket.
 

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/4754/jonathan-herrera

 

[Puffy]

I'm probably a bigger fan of Carp than most, but it's hard to see where he gets playing time on this roster beyond pinch hitter and occasional 1B/DH. It's hard to see him taking time away from Nava in LF now that Nava is hitting, and I doubt we want to see many Carp (LF) - Bradley/Betts (CF) - Nava (RF) outfield alignments.

 

[Puffy]

I'm probably a bigger fan of Carp than most, but it's hard to see where he gets playing time on this roster beyond pinch hitter and occasional 1B/DH. It's hard to see him taking time away from Nava in LF now that Nava is hitting, and I doubt we want to see many Carp (LF) - Bradley/Betts (CF) - Nava (RF) outfield alignments.

 
On the other hand, this may be the last chance to find out if any of his 2013 offense was for real.

 

[BosRedSox5]

I'd like to see if Carp could bring the lumber too. He's definitely had flashes of brilliance, but sadly, playing that outfield edges out Holt. 

I'm only basing this on the eye test since there's not a lot of data, but Holt could well be our best defensive right fielder right now. I don't know what else we'd do with him. Stick him at short of 3B to spell X and Drew? My hope is that someone gets hot. Maybe Holt or Nava or Gomes go on a tear and we can make a trade that frees up this situation. 

 

[Super Nomario]

I'm probably a bigger fan of Carp than most, but it's hard to see where he gets playing time on this roster beyond pinch hitter and occasional 1B/DH. It's hard to see him taking time away from Nava in LF now that Nava is hitting, and I doubt we want to see many Carp (LF) - Bradley/Betts (CF) - Nava (RF) outfield alignments.

That's not an ideal outfield defensively, certainly, but the Red Sox have the second-worst offense in the AL. I would think they'd be open to exchanging a little defense for some offense.
 
Herrera down is interesting because he's been the backup SS. Does that make Holt the backup SS now, or are they considering using Bogaerts there some?

 

[Byrdbrain]

My guess is it will be Holt he has played it a lot in the minors and while he isn't supposed to be all that great at it I'm sure he would be fine here or there.
They really seem to not want to bounce Xander around at all.

 

[Dogman]

I'm probably a bigger fan of Carp than most, but it's hard to see where he gets playing time on this roster beyond pinch hitter and occasional 1B/DH. It's hard to see him taking time away from Nava in LF now that Nava is hitting, and I doubt we want to see many Carp (LF) - Bradley/Betts (CF) - Nava (RF) outfield alignments.

 
I see playing time because...

 
On the other hand, this may be the last chance to find out if any of his 2013 offense was for real.

 
Any offense he does provide could help net a better return in any package deal prior to the deadline.