Carlos Correa and the Mets (yes, that's correct) agree on a 12-year, $315m deal

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I know it’s been mentioned and I’ve advocated for this before all this medical stuff came out but man if I’m the Sox I jump in and go huge on a three year deal. 3/135 or something like that. If it blows up it blows up but it’s only a three year commitment. But if Correa is healthy then he will only be like 30 or 31 (can’t remember his birthday) when that contract is over and will be able to (again, if he’s healthy) get another good sized deal then.

Maybe Correa sees that he can’t have the 10 year deal or whatever because of this medical issue and thinks ok let’s just do this in shorter chunks with much higher AAVs.

Worth a try anyway. For the Sox it would solve multiple problems at once: fills the hole at SS, fills the need for a good RH bat, and provides a bridge to Mayer.
Could probably offer an opt out after year 2 also.
 

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The Twins are not really an outlier either---they had a three-year deal which was likely to be (and in fact ended up being) only a one-year deal. I suspect many teams are still willing to offer him that kind of deal - it's the 10+ year, 300 mil deal where we have a lot of evidence the market is not willing to take the risk on.

As you correctly note, acknowledging each team's specific thinking and (in Twins case) philosophical willingness surely differs, it seems that all four teams with access to his medicals (Astros, Mets, Giants, and Twins) have opted not to offer him the 10 year/300 mil kind of deal at least without significant protections...and the rest of the market including SS need big market teams (Boston, Dodgers) has also refused to get into that kind of agreement, for whatever set of reasons. It is hard not to conclude there's a major medical red flag here.
The Twins were in fact offering him a 10-year deal this off-season. Their offer last year was based on Boras and Correa failing to predict the market effect of the shortened offseason due to the lockout and that the Twins can compete with larger market teams on a short-term deal, not because they were wiser than anyone else about his medical issues. They were simply outbid by the Giants and Mets this time around.
 

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I know it’s been mentioned and I’ve advocated for this before all this medical stuff came out but man if I’m the Sox I jump in and go huge on a three year deal. 3/135 or something like that. If it blows up it blows up but it’s only a three year commitment. But if Correa is healthy then he will only be like 30 or 31 (can’t remember his birthday) when that contract is over and will be able to (again, if he’s healthy) get another good sized deal then.

Maybe Correa sees that he can’t have the 10 year deal or whatever because of this medical issue and thinks ok let’s just do this in shorter chunks with much higher AAVs.
His market would have to completely collapse for this to happen. There's no other reason for Correa to sign another 'prove it' offer after doing so once with Minnesota.
 

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His market would have to completely collapse for this to happen. There's no other reason for Correa to sign another 'prove it' offer after doing so once with Minnesota.
It very well could though. If he's not getting the Mega-Contract, but he's convinced of his borderline super human talent... then go year to year. He could make up a damn good amount of that total value in 3 one-year deals and then maybe another team will see he's healthy.... he's still good... and offer him a 6-8 year deal that would more than make up for the difference between 3 one year deals plus the 6-8 year deal and the mega-deal. I don't have to imagine very hard at all
 

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Sidetracking a little bit here, but if the Mets walk from Correa, and the Heyman piece is correct and the Mets look desperate and overpay for Devers, I know it’s a forbidden word coming out of Landsdown Street, but do the Sox acknowledge a rebuild and commit to offloading Sale the second he shows good health and a semi return to his stuff?
 

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Sidetracking a little bit here, but if the Mets walk from Correa, and the Heyman piece is correct and the Mets look desperate and overpay for Devers, I know it’s a forbidden word coming out of Landsdown Street, but do the Sox acknowledge a rebuild and commit to offloading Sale the second he shows good health and a semi return to his stuff?
All of the Sale trade talk has to be with the understanding that he can block any deal (10/5 rights)
 

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Sidetracking a little bit here, but if the Mets walk from Correa, and the Heyman piece is correct and the Mets look desperate and overpay for Devers, I know it’s a forbidden word coming out of Landsdown Street, but do the Sox acknowledge a rebuild and commit to offloading Sale the second he shows good health and a semi return to his stuff?
No.

I don't think the Mets are going to panic if they don't end up with Correa (I think they ultimately come to some kind of deal). At least not to the point where they overpay for a year of Devers.

I also don't think the Red Sox are in any kind of a rush to move Sale, whether Devers is around or not. They didn't spend over $150M so far this winter to try to save some portion of $45M over the next couple years. There are no luxury tax concerns right now. There's nothing to gain "offloading" him at the earliest opportunity.
 

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Here's a potential Sox offer to Correa.

2/$70m with an opt out after year one, and with a player option for a third year at $40m that vests with 120 games played in year one, and escalates to $50m with 140 games played in year two.

LF Yoshida L
SS Correa R
3B Devers L
2B Story R
1B Casas L
DH Turner R
RF Verdugo L
C McGuire L
CF Hernández R
 

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Here's a potential Sox offer to Correa.

2/$70m with an opt out after year one, and with a player option for a third year at $40m that vests with 120 games played in year one, and escalates to $50m with 140 games played in year two.

LF Yoshida L
SS Correa R
3B Devers L
2B Story R
1B Casas L
DH Turner R
RF Verdugo L
C McGuire L
CF Hernández R
If the deal with Correa is that teams are afraid his previous surgery will cause leg problems down the road, that concern will never go away, a year with an opt out is just going to leave him in this same spot next year. The solution is going to be a long term deal with a team opt out if he misses X amount of games due to said problems. (As an aside -- there has to a pretty big grey area in there, right? What happens when the team finds a doc that says the DL stint was related to surgery but Boras finds one who says differently?)
 

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If the deal with Correa is that teams are afraid his previous surgery will cause leg problems down the road, that concern will never go away, a year with an opt out is just going to leave him in this same spot next year.
Yep. These ideas about how the Red Sox could wind up with Correa on the "cheap" are just wishcasting. He's either going to sign a reworked deal with the Mets, or something in the 6-7 year range for around $200M elsewhere.
 

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Yep. These ideas about how the Red Sox could wind up with Correa on the "cheap" are just wishcasting. He's either going to sign a reworked deal with the Mets, or something in the 6-7 year range for around $200M elsewhere.
If they are uninsurable, I wonder if there are going to be any 6-7 year deals.
 

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Sidetracking a little bit here, but if the Mets walk from Correa, and the Heyman piece is correct and the Mets look desperate and overpay for Devers, I know it’s a forbidden word coming out of Landsdown Street, but do the Sox acknowledge a rebuild and commit to offloading Sale the second he shows good health and a semi return to his stuff?
Clearly this is not the right thread to ask this, and it’s already being talked about elsewhere. Do better.
 

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If they are uninsurable, I wonder if there are going to be any 6-7 year deals.
Okay, let's say Boras puts on the table the exact deal you outlined earlier, for any team to offer. Why would he pick the Red Sox over the Mets?
 

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Meanwhile, Boras Heyman is playing the "don't ruin the agent relationship" card:

3. Cohen and Boras have grown close following the Max Scherzer and Brandon Nimmo deals, and neither party wants to affect that negatively via a blown-apart deal. GM Billy Eppler and Mets lawyers are dealing with Boras, but the relationship that’s key is Boras-Cohen. Neither side would relish losing that.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/why-carlos-correas-mets-deal-should-eventually-get-done/
 

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Meanwhile, Boras Heyman is playing the "don't ruin the agent relationship" card:

3. Cohen and Boras have grown close following the Max Scherzer and Brandon Nimmo deals, and neither party wants to affect that negatively via a blown-apart deal. GM Billy Eppler and Mets lawyers are dealing with Boras, but the relationship that’s key is Boras-Cohen. Neither side would relish losing that.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/why-carlos-correas-mets-deal-should-eventually-get-done/
Cohen does not need to spend anything, nevertheless $315m to protect that relationship. Next time there's a big free agent, Boras and Cohen are best friends.
 

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Another team Red Sox?
10/250?
get it done, Chaim.
After 2 teams, including the team with an unlimited budget, have backed out of long term agreements on seeing his medicals you want the Sox to give him a quarter billion guaranteed?
 

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After 2 teams, including the team with an unlimited budget, have backed out of long term agreements on seeing his medicals you want the Sox to give him a quarter billion guaranteed?
Yes. I trust Boston’s doctors, it’s less of a commitment and the other teams have other credible options at SS.
 

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With team opt outs after seasons one, three, five, and eight
Well yeah, I think he's the one guy left that it would actually be worth going over the tax in the offseason for if he's interested in a similar deal to the one he just opted out of, but it seems unlikely if he's actually looking for a deal that short that he'd pick Boston over other options.
 

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Yes. I trust Boston’s doctors, it’s less of a commitment and the other teams have other credible options at SS.
You think the Giants and Mets docs don’t know what they’re doing?

I’d be Uber-nervous giving Correa anything close to that guaranteed given what’s happened twice now.

Must be bone on bone ankle osteoarthritis, chronic bone fragments, impingement, etc.

Cohen doesn’t seem particularly conservative so his docs must think it’s trashed and he’s a DH soon.
 

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You think the Giants and Mets docs don’t know what they’re doing?

I’d be Uber-nervous giving Correa anything close to that guaranteed given what’s happened twice now.

Must be bone on bone ankle osteoarthritis, chronic bone fragments, impingement, etc.

Cohen doesn’t seem particularly conservative so his docs must think it’s trashed and he’s a DH soon.
I'd be uber-nervous to the point where there is no way I'd give him anything close to that.

This is actually real life, not a video game. His medicals have to be really messed up, and that isn't changing if my favorite team signs him next.
 

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I'd be perfectly fine with signing him to a 3-4 year deal with an opt out after 2 at a very high AAV and hope his medical issues take that long to become an issue. I'm guessing the physicals are showing something more down the road rather than immediate, and that's why both teams are holding off. I could be wrong, but that's my hunch.
 

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I'd be perfectly fine with signing him to a 3-4 year deal with an opt out after 2 at a very high AAV and hope his medical issues take that long to become an issue. I'm guessing the physicals are showing something more down the road rather than immediate, and that's why both teams are holding off. I could be wrong, but that's my hunch.
Correa has had this “injury” for many years and has been hitting fine. It’s not like he ruptured his Achilles in the off-season or something. Whatever it is will likely progressively get worse, but I doubt teams are too worried about 2023.

I just think they’re very worried he’s going to be stuck at DH soon and he’s not a good enough hitter to be making close to that kind of money/years at DH.
 

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I would still say he is 90 percent likely to stay with the Mets, just a question of the deal and the language involved. Boras has other things to do still and the delay here is I think now holding up at least some of the trade market, hence the mouthpiece was called into action.
 

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Boras tell Heyman to turn up the heat?
I suppose in 2023 nothing should be surprising about "journalism." And I recognize that in the macro sense this is a point for the errors mistakes forum, but in the micro sense we're seeing it play out so dramatically with Correa and also saw it with Judge.

Why is the fact that Scott Boras has a personal propagandist that gets to be called a journalist, by virtue of the access Boras gives him, not something that anyone seems to give a shit about. It's shocking to me. Even with Schefter, people understand who and what he is and while the average Joe doesn't really care that he's just an independent contractor PR person, people do throw shit his way and I think people who care know exactly what he is. But that's a guy who is a mouthpiece for a league. A mouthpiece for an agent? It's crazy.
 

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Andy Martino does the same thing for the Mets, there’s barely any ‘real journalism’ left in the world because almost no one wants to pay for it.
 

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I suppose in 2023 nothing should be surprising about "journalism." And I recognize that in the macro sense this is a point for the errors mistakes forum, but in the micro sense we're seeing it play out so dramatically with Correa and also saw it with Judge.

Why is the fact that Scott Boras has a personal propagandist that gets to be called a journalist, by virtue of the access Boras gives him, not something that anyone seems to give a shit about. It's shocking to me. Even with Schefter, people understand who and what he is and while the average Joe doesn't really care that he's just an independent contractor PR person, people do throw shit his way and I think people who care know exactly what he is. But that's a guy who is a mouthpiece for a league. A mouthpiece for an agent? It's crazy.
I am quite sure that the teams and their executives know what Heyman is about and consider it accordingly. Fans, in large part, have demonstrated their appetite for bullshit served up in heaping piles. That same bullshit is also high-octane fuel for hot-take industrial complex and "sports" "talk" radio, consumed in large portions by those same fans. Why would the bullshit restaurants & refineries ever close?
 

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I am quite sure that the teams and their executives know what Heyman is about and consider it accordingly. Fans, in large part, have demonstrated their appetite for bullshit served up in heaping piles. That same bullshit is also high-octane fuel for hot-take industrial complex and "sports" "talk" radio, consumed in large portions by those same fans. Why would the bullshit restaurants & refineries ever close?
I don’t listen regularly anymore, but guys like Heyman would get regular spots on WFAN where they were treated like legitimate journalists during appearances. It’s a cynical ecosystem.
 

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I don’t listen regularly anymore, but guys like Heyman would get regular spots on WFAN where they were treated like legitimate journalists during appearances. It’s a cynical ecosystem.
I dont listen at all. (which I dont think matters for the purpose of this topic). While no one on these shows is treated like Woodward and Bernstein, what reporter or broadcaster that goes on one of those stations *isn't* treated as "legitimate." Hell, if Heyman legally changed his name to "Boras Mouthpiece Jon Heyman," the demographic that laps up FAN would treat him no differently. And, to your "cynical" point, neither would the station, as it knows what its fans want.
 

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Heyman is pretty bad, but going back to days of John Montgomery Ward there have been some writers partial to the players, others who sided with the owners. As a smart fan you just have to figure out whose side the writer is on and read between the lines.

There are no reporters who write without bias. Even ones who claim that they’re down the middle are either lying or have subconscious biases that they unconsciously leak out. It’s just human nature.

For example, if you’re a writer and a player is consistently nice to you are you going to rip him when he makes a minor screw up? How about if the situation is reversed and the guy was a jerk? Any chance you get you’re going to roast him.

That’s just the way things go. Heyman is a journalist because, among other things, he has an inside relationship to Boras and Boras is a big deal. Everyone knows he’s a mouthpiece for Boras but he brings about information. Heyman has his place, because cultivating this relationship isn’t easy. You need to be the right type of writer at the right place (in both time and location).

A lot of journalists would kill for Heyman’s access.
 

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Ugh. I hate the idea that I was thinking along the same lines as Jim Bowden. My first thought seeing the reports of the Mets considering walking away was that the Twins, and possibly the Giants, may be back in the running. They both offered him huge deals already. The Giants never really got a chance to discuss the medicals before he bolted to the Mets. The Twins had him for a year already so they have to know what they're dealing with. There's still a ways to go before Correa finds himself open to another short term, prove it-style deal.
 

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I have a hard time picturing the kind of contract that Boston would offer that the Mets wouldn't also do, if not a good bit more.

Given earlier reports that Correa wanted to go to the Mets, that is what I still expect to happen. But if the Twins come in over the top with something close to the longterm deal they offered earlier, future health concerns be damned, that would be very interesting.
 

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Given earlier reports that Correa wanted to go to the Mets, that is what I still expect to happen. But if the Twins come in over the top with something close to the longterm deal they offered earlier, future health concerns be damned, that would be very interesting.
This is about where I am. Unless Boras has really pissed off Cohen through the renegotiating, I expect Correa to stay with the Mets
 

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Heyman is pretty bad, but going back to days of John Montgomery Ward there have been some writers partial to the players, others who sided with the owners. As a smart fan you just have to figure out whose side the writer is on and read between the lines.

There are no reporters who write without bias. Even ones who claim that they’re down the middle are either lying or have subconscious biases that they unconsciously leak out. It’s just human nature.

For example, if you’re a writer and a player is consistently nice to you are you going to rip him when he makes a minor screw up? How about if the situation is reversed and the guy was a jerk? Any chance you get you’re going to roast him.
Or as a Judge who once spoke to a law school class said to us, "we all try, but the only truly objective people live in the cemetery."
 
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