I think Boras knew what the Twins’ limit was and that Cohen was willing to go higher.
Carlos Correa and the Mets (yes, that's correct) agree on a 12-year, $315m deal
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Why does this mean they don’t know how to run a baseball franchise? If the Giants didn’t like something good on them for backing out, they’d look really stupid if he had an injury that sapped his production in the next few years that they saw on his medicals and they signed him anyways.
Susan Slusser, who is a lot less prone to hyperbole than Grant, called this off-season an unsalvageable disaster on the radio today. The Giants have a ton of money and have "finished second" on Harper, Ohtani (in recent years) and Judge, then had this crazy Correa issue. It's a pretty bad look, and barring a miracle, their team is going to be worse this year than last year.
It doesn't help that the Giants are keeping mum on what happened while Boras is torching them in the press.
Boras can say whatever he pleases. And perhaps the mystery team will back him up for once.
The Giants offered Judge more money than NY. They offered a 12 year deal to Harper. Stanton wouldn‘t waive his no trade clause. They met with Ohtani and made their best pitch. I don’t know how much blame you can put on the Giants for coming up short the last few years. They were willing to give up prospects or commit mega deals to all those guys but it didn’t work out for various reasons.
Yeah, doctors are concerned about his health and he has a track record of injuries. THROW ALL THE. MONEY AT HIM!
All of the blame, because they can't figure out, like the Knicks, that if they want to attract stars they have to have a foundation that can support winning. I bet none of these FAs want to go and be the lone star just to lose every year.
Didn't Corey Seager and Marcus Semien sign the biggest deals in the last offseason? With Texas? I guess they aren't the lone stars, more like dual stars losing every year.
The Mets haven’t won since 1986. Maybe the new market inefficiency is just not paying for contracts for players in their 30’s to turn into Josh Hamilton, Albert Pujols, Chris Sale, Miguel Cabrera etc instead of praying they age like Ortiz or Bonds. I know it sucks to players like Betts and Bogaerts leave and it doesn’t seem like there’s much of a great plan but it’s usually better to let your stars go
Interesting article from Andrew Baggerly in the Athletic: https://theathletic.com/4026551/2022/12/21/giants-carlos-correa-unanswered-questions?source=user-shared-article
He doesn't claim this is what happened, but I find appealing the idea that the Giants couldn't get insurance on Correa's contract due to the medicals and decided they could live without him because the tech industry is tightening its collective belt.
He doesn't claim this is what happened, but I find appealing the idea that the Giants couldn't get insurance on Correa's contract due to the medicals and decided they could live without him because the tech industry is tightening its collective belt.
Both look like aberrations in retrospect but the Giants maybe even more so. Crawford and Belt came kinda out of nowhere to have just ridiculous career years at ages 33 and 34. Shit, Darin Ruf had a 141 OPS+ in like 120 games.
Then Posey retired (not their fault), Gausman walked for what in hindsight looks like peanuts, his replacement (Rodon) walked, and the rest of the roster went back to aging poorly.
That's incredible. Even the military makes you strip down bare ass naked so they can look everywhere.
w/r/t the Mets and player physicals:
the morning that it was announced that the Mets had signed Petey, I ran into Minaya dropping the boys off at school. I asked him if the rumors about Petey's shoulder didn't scare him.
His response: the organizational philosophy is that every pitcher is just one pitch away from blowing out his arm.
the morning that it was announced that the Mets had signed Petey, I ran into Minaya dropping the boys off at school. I asked him if the rumors about Petey's shoulder didn't scare him.
His response: the organizational philosophy is that every pitcher is just one pitch away from blowing out his arm.
As someone earlier mentioned, the question is how bad must have DeGrom's physicals been that even the Mets were like 'eh, no you go ahead and sign him'
Two notes of interest: This should shut down the talk that the Giants somehow manufactured an excuse to get out of a deal, and I wonder how the media got a hold of the area of concern despite the HIPPA laws the Giants cited for not detailing it earlier.
Regardless of what the Giants said, HIPAA generally doesn't apply to employers, though there still might be other confidential information rules at play. And HIPAA states a medical professional can't release health records without authorization. One presumes Correa authorized releasing results of the physical to the potential employer(s); a general statement that the Mets "have concerns" probably doesn't break any laws.
That's not what I mean. The Giants didn't let known the area of injury. The Mets apparently did
The Giants didn't say officially, but there were several "sources said" articles saying that they were concerned about the old lower leg injury. Far example, https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/why-giants-backed-away-carlos-correas-franchise-altering-agreement
That's pretty similar to what is coming out from the Mets, isn't it?
Maybe my dumb ass prediction that he’s go to the Sox for a 2 year (opt out after one season) for $35M isn’t crazy. He could end up doing nothing but one and done deals….
It’s astonishing, but that’s what happens when the owner decides to do the GM’s job.
Maybe. I think if the Mets do things the way they have now, after the SF deal fell through, Correa might be under a lot more pressure to make serious concessions for this deal to be completed. Two failed physicals makes it tougher for other teams to step up.
I think the deal will get done on more favorable terms for the Mets, though it could just be a clause specific to that particular injury concern.
I think it's more ruthless than stupid, though it could be both.
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Just read the Athletic article and they said the fibula fracture was closer to the ankle than the knee.
Hard to believe that old fracture he has been playing on since age 19 is going to cause all these docs to be so concerned.... but I can only imagine he has terrible bone on bone post traumatic tibiotalar (ankle) osteoarthritis.
Hard to believe that old fracture he has been playing on since age 19 is going to cause all these docs to be so concerned.... but I can only imagine he has terrible bone on bone post traumatic tibiotalar (ankle) osteoarthritis.
I know. It’s a joke based on the garbage offer to Xander last year.Correa?
4/130 is what a short-term deal would look like for him imho
It feels like this increased scrutiny is a direct consequence of these longer dated deals. Want one in your mid to late 20s? Scans gotta be clean.
Could be for sure, though honestly most of these guys don't have "clean" scans. Lots of old injuries and arthritis for these guys, even in their 20s. If I open up an MRI for a pro athlete, I know it's going to be a long report, it's almost never normal.
For the Giants to get cold feet and now also the Mets, it's more than just not clean, his ankle must be trashed.
And while the Astros knew they had players in the pipeline, this no doubt played into their reasoning for not securing him to a long-term deal
I think you have made reference around here to the natural wear and tear these athletes endure. My guess is that given the market movement, teams are just now deciding to heed the medicals a lot more than in the past. Again, what's changed is the level of commitment. A degenerative condition means maybe those with elite skills can't get a long dated deal.
I don't doubt the long term "career" contracts add another wrinkle, but guys like Harper, Judge, Mookie, Turner, Xander, etc seem to sign them without issue.
I'm 100% sure they don't all have clean scans (haven't seen any of them myself), so my hunch is that Correa's ankle is WAY worse than usual.
This was a big story already on the radios yesterday because the Mets had said medicals were gonna be reviewed and done Friday but nobody had announced anything. So, radios jumping all over the fact that the Mets might be looking for a way out after seeing them.
The way the Mets instantly swept in with bravado when Correa's deal with the Giants was in limbo, I really doubt they're getting nitpicky about the scans because of the long-term commitment. They already knew they were going to find something less than ideal in the medicals.
The Twins don't really look good themselves, offering 10 years to a guy they already examined and knew... but if the Mets do back out entirely, it would be funny to see the Twins come back and offer him the remainder of the old deal he already had with them. I wonder if Correa had jumped at a lifetime deal early last off-season if all this was still inevitable or if he'd already be a year into a $300M+ contract.
The Twins don't really look good themselves, offering 10 years to a guy they already examined and knew... but if the Mets do back out entirely, it would be funny to see the Twins come back and offer him the remainder of the old deal he already had with them. I wonder if Correa had jumped at a lifetime deal early last off-season if all this was still inevitable or if he'd already be a year into a $300M+ contract.
Completely guessing but a lot of distal fibula fractures go along with ligament tears and cartilage injuries at the ankle.
If he had a bad distal fibula fracture 10 years ago, entirely possible he's developed severe arthritis at his ankle by now. If he's bone on bone wouldn't be surprised if team docs aren't excited about clearing him to play adequately in the field for the next 10+ years.
Seems more plausible to me than a fracture that never healed.
Did you make anything of the anecdote about his "hard slide" in September, or is that pretty much a red herring?
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