Byerie Irving? Do you want Kyrie back?

What are your thoughts on Kyrie?

  • I want him back on max deal no matter what

    Votes: 60 19.5%
  • I want him back on max deal ONLY if AD is also coming

    Votes: 85 27.7%
  • I’m done with him and don’t want him back under any circumstances

    Votes: 108 35.2%
  • Not sure - I want to see how the playoffs go first

    Votes: 54 17.6%

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lovegtm

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This is baseless on both fronts.

The more obvious answer for Irving's performance in the playoffs is pretty simple. He was Boston's only true, consistent scoring threat. He was also Boston's only player who could also consistently generate his own looks. As such, opposing teams schemed to stop him and let the rest of the Celtics beat them, knowing full well that if they were successful, it would take an outlier performance by any of those players to make them pay.

We can debate where Irving ranks versus the different tiers of players but the other teams that went deep in the playoffs had multiple scoring threats without exception. Boston did not. As such, I don't think criticizing him for not carrying a flawed Boston team deeper is entirely fair.
As luckiestman mentioned, the stuff he was doing on D was really bizarre, and went beyond execution. It doesn’t mean that Kyrie Irving was solely responsible for the problems, or that things will be perfect now that he’s gone.

But the dude was doing weird shit, especially for someone with his BBIQ.
 

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I Don’t Recall Saying Good Luck - So Long, Kyrie

Fell Off the Edge of the Earth - The Kyrie Irving Thread
 
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chilidawg

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This is baseless on both fronts.

The more obvious answer for Irving's performance in the playoffs is pretty simple. He was Boston's only true, consistent scoring threat. He was also Boston's only player who could also consistently generate his own looks. As such, opposing teams schemed to stop him and let the rest of the Celtics beat them, knowing full well that if they were successful, it would take an outlier performance by any of those players to make them pay.

We can debate where Irving ranks versus the different tiers of players but the other teams that went deep in the playoffs had multiple scoring threats without exception. Boston did not. As such, I don't think criticizing him for not carrying a flawed Boston team deeper is entirely fair.
I'd disagree, especially in light of Toronto winning an NBA championship with only one true elite offensive threat. They played better defense, and KL could actually "get his shots", where KI showed he really couldn't. Their other guys had good looks throughout the playoffs as a result, and they made enough of those to win.
 

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We likely won't even need the thread much longer. Let the Kyrie stuff slide into the general NBA season thread we usually have.
 

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Spencer Dinwiddie was on podcast with Shams and said Kyrie called him in December and was saying things about how “NY might be really fun next year.” So, just 2-3 months after telling Boston he was going to stay.
The Durant and Draymond on court fight happened in November so this timeline makes sense.
 

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I'd disagree, especially in light of Toronto winning an NBA championship with only one true elite offensive threat. They played better defense, and KL could actually "get his shots", where KI showed he really couldn't. Their other guys had good looks throughout the playoffs as a result, and they made enough of those to win.
We don't need to get into the data but no matter how you slice it, Toronto had more than one good scoring threat who could get looks and they had the diversity of two to three players who could carry the team when Leonard was sitting, tired or being slowed (Siakam, Lowry and Green with Gasol, Van Vleet and Ibaka all able to grab buckets as well). Boston had Irving and Horford with Tatum and Brown occasionally chipping in (though not from deep).

However to clarify, my point wasn't about elite scoring - its secondary scoring and the Raptors had that both during the regular and post-season.
 

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Recalling Jaylen’s initial thoughts on the trade–interesting to revisit now:

It changes the whole dynamic, the whole culture. We’ll see if it’s for good or bad, time will tell. But it’s still a little weird to me, to be honest, because when I came in everything they stressed was culture, environment, Celtic basketball. Now, it’s like what is the environment, the culture, what is Celtic basketball?
 

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Kyrie expressed to him around March that he wanted to go home. Ainge said Kyrie was always professional when they talked about it.
Since the Melbourne Tigers of the NBL didn't have the cap space maybe Kyrie was being nice to try and convince Danny to do a sign-n-trade for Josh Boone.
 

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Good question Jaylen. That'll be a big part of this year for Stevens and Ainge.
Yeah. This is a big year for both Stevens and Ainge. I don't think either is on the hot seat, but we will soon find out whether the org is back on the right path and whether CBS can drive the bus or not.
 

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I know many here aren’t fans of Kyrie’s but I’m still of the belief that he wasn’t the only problem or even the initial problem in last years locker room. Plus, he’s fun....

View: https://youtu.be/_HBEhFEVy3s
He's really, really freaking fun to watch--one of my favorites ever. I don't think it's worth trying to put blame as to who started the problems: at the end of the day, he didn't want to be here, and the mixture of him with some of the other guys wasn't great. It's life; shit happens.