Burning bridges, a.k.a. the relocation thread

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Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 3m3 minutes ago
Owners will be voting on 2 proposals A) chargers/raiders plan in carson b) rams/chargers in inglewood (jerry Jones proposal)


Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 2m2 minutes ago
Other owners have long though Spanos had played game the right way, exhausted options and deserved to be part of an LA solution. On cusp now


Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 3m3 minutes ago
The carson project, as been reporting for weeks, had roughly 18 votes as we neared this meeting. Need 24 to pass .

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 2m2 minutes ago
Many owners, even some on LA committee that recommended Carson, believe Inglewood stadium would be superior in and of itself. But more to it

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 1m1 minute ago
As 1st reported sat, Jerry's proposal through a curve. Came after many of the prep materials for owners were already printed. But was...'


Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 37s37 seconds ago
Allowed to come up for vote. Kroenke has deep pockets and the land. But will that be enough to swing the tide? Would love to be in the room
 
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Martin Kilcoyne ‏@martinkilcoyne2 2m2 minutes ago
The #NFL owners began voting process with each proposal voted on. Inglewood #Rams vote was 21-8-3. 21 for. 8 against. 3 abstained. #fox2
 
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Per Sam Farmer, the re-location committee is meeting with Davis and Spanos. Probably finding out who will take less money from League / Kroenke to dissolve Carson partnership and let other be #2 in Inglewood.

Per multiple sources, apparently the first vote was 20-12 in favor of Rams / TBD in Inglewood, have to believe that Carson is probably dead now unless Kroenke moons the rest of the owners, or at least gets Jerry Jones to do it.
 
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For those who have been following this: Was the crack committee 5-1 vote in favor of Oak/SD just for show, or was that panel just out of touch with the feelings around the league?
 
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E5 Yaz said:
For those who have been following this: Was the crack committee 5-1 vote in favor of Oak/SD just for show, or was that panel just out of touch with the feelings around the league?
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hard to tell... For all we know the votes were for the SD project because of the Disney connection (and the possibility of Bob Iger owning a part of an NFL team)
 
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If it's Raiders and Chargers, Fox is gong to sit back and let the AFC get both LA teams?
 
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If it's Raiders and Chargers, Fox is gong to sit back and let the AFC get both LA teams?
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No, one of them will move to the NFC and (supposedly) Seattle will return to the AFC. As you might imagine, Seahawk fans are displeased with this rumored solution.
 
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"Roger Goodell is discussing a new proposal with the owners. Vote coming very soon."
 
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The NFL is either going to completely screw over Davis in hopes that it'll drive him to sell the team or offer him a big loan he can use to build a stadium in Oakland. I have my suspicions about which way they'll go.
 
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Papelbon's Poutine said:
Can you draw this out a bit, because i have no idea what you're trying to say.
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I assume the reason why the Chiefs were the lone vote for a single team (and if LA was going to get a single team it would be the rams) is because STL and KC do not like each other (similar to the royals and cards) if one of them leaves, the remaining team has a much bigger "fan base" to try and capture
 
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hikeeba said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Roger Goodell is discussing a new proposal with the owners. Vote coming very soon.</p>&mdash; Sam Farmer (@LATimesfarmer) <a href="">January 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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"Roger Goodell is discussing a new proposal with the owners. Vote coming very soon."
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Patriots must move to St Louis
 
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The NFL is either going to completely screw over Davis in hopes that it'll drive him to sell the team or offer him a big loan he can use to build a stadium in Oakland. I have my suspicions about which way they'll go.
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What about allowing a Raiders move to LA on the condition Davis sells within 5 or 10 years? The potential value of a Raiders team based in LA has to be higher than the Rams or Chargers.
 
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The Raiders are probably the only one of the 3 teams that can go back to their existing fan base without a big loss of support. Kroenke absolutely nuked the bridges in StL, and Spanos has made it pretty clear he's trying to leave SD for years.
 
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What about allowing a Raiders move to LA on the condition Davis sells within 5 or 10 years? The potential value of a Raiders team based in LA has to be higher than the Rams or Chargers.
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No one wants the fn Raiders here. No one.
 
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What about allowing a Raiders move to LA on the condition Davis sells within 5 or 10 years? The potential value of a Raiders team based in LA has to be higher than the Rams or Chargers.
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The average age of the owners is what, about 70? Doubtful that many of them are thinking long-term.
 
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E5 Yaz said:
For those who have been following this: Was the crack committee 5-1 vote in favor of Oak/SD just for show, or was that panel just out of touch with the feelings around the league?
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Seems hard to believe it was a legitimate vote, given how things have played out.

What angle makes the most sense---they did that to pressure St Louis to accept a second team, predestined to be SD? That seems to fit.
 
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ElUno20 said:
No one wants the fn Raiders here. No one.
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Most popular NFL team in L.A....by a fair margin.

I'm not one of those fans, but I think it sucks if they get screwed by the NFL establishment.

That said, if money provided for a state of the art stadium in Oakland or northern Bay Area could make all things good.

So do the Chargers become the L.A. Chargers or SoCal Chargers? If I'm them, I use the SoCal moniker and try to keep the San Diego market (I think one of the reason Carson worked better for them is that it's closer to SD...I think).
 
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Most popular NFL team in L.A....by a fair margin.

I'm not one of those fans, but I think it sucks if they get screwed by the NFL establishment.

That said, if money provided for a state of the art stadium in Oakland or northern Bay Area could make all things good.

So do the Chargers become the L.A. Chargers or SoCal Chargers? If I'm them, I use the SoCal moniker and try to keep the San Diego market (I think one of the reason Carson worked better for them is that it's closer to SD...I think).
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It's closer, but barely. edit: according to google maps, 125 mi vs 113 mi, driving.
 
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I'm not saying the raiders arent the most popular of the three in LA. I'm just saying....no one who lives here wants that fan base activated in LA.
 
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Maybe it's not anti-Raiders sentiment as much as some NFL bigwigs really want 2 teams in the Bay area given all the high-tech wealth and corporate HQs there.
 
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Papelbon's Poutine said:
What the fuck are you talking about?
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He's talking about Mexicans, I presume. Giving the benefit of the doubt that he's not endorsing the sentiment, I don't doubt that the fact that Raiders core supporters in L.A. seem to be Mexican-American might weigh on the minds of corporate white types.

Of course, in a city that is 49% Latino (most of that Mexican), I'm not quite sure how you can succeed without their (our, actually) support -- the Dodgers have certainly figured that out.
 
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“@JasonLaCanfora: Indeed, hearing USC signed off on two NFL teams sharing LA Coliseum starting as soon as 2016. Wow”
 
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“@AdamSchefter: Rams to LA, with Chargers getting first crack through Jan 16, 2017, then Raiders have preference, per sources.”
 
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First crack at being the second team in LA, I would guess.
Yeah, that is some terrible word choice there. I blame twitter.

I feel bad for the rams fans in STL, but most of the ones I know have already left the area, and all of them quit on their team in 1995.
 
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https://t.co/qTlb9FdTrW

Long article from Van Atta and Whickersham about how Kroenke bulldozed his way into LA and that league may have been determined to sandbag the Carson proposal.

Jerry Jones on Bob Iger:

After Iger left the ballroom and returned to his suite, Jones said, "He said he paid us. Last time I checked, that money is coming from Disney shareholders, not him."

The message was unmistakable: NFL owners listen only to each other.
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Hoya81 said:
https://t.co/qTlb9FdTrW

Long article from Van Atta and Whickersham about how Kroenke bulldozed his way into LA and that league may have been determined to sandbag the Carson proposal.

Jerry Jones on Bob Iger:
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Fantastic article on the behind-the-scenes machinations of how the vote went down.

I live in LA and the Carson proposal would have been a fucking disaster. I have been to quite a few Galaxy games in Carson and after the games are over, the only thing to do is drive to local fast food joints to eat in an attempt to sober up before driving home. At least with the Inglewood proposal, Kroenke is trying to make the stadium and surrounding area a post-game destination like the Staples Center.
 
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great article. I found the minor theme of Goodell being detached, etc. interesting. Is he losing favor with the owners? It seems that the common perception is that he makes the owners money so they love him but this article hints at a different scenario.
NOBODY KNEW IT at the time, but the league office had already lost control of the Los Angeles relocation process. Commissioner Roger Goodell's mishandling of the Ray Rice domestic violence discipline in the summer and autumn of 2014 distracted him from executing the league's longtime goal of returning to LA and severely weakened his standing in ownership circles. Meetings about LA that were scheduled for September were pushed to November. The distractions also created a power vacuum that Grubman -- and other owners -- eagerly filled.
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Looking back now, some around the league wish that Goodell had locked the three owners in a room and forced them to cut a deal right then, avoiding the battles and hurt feelings that would unfold. Instead, Goodell allowed the NFL's messy form of democracy to run its course, appearing strangely detached in meetings. He said almost nothing while Grubman, who, like Goodell, declined to comment for this story, appeared to be too close to Kroenke; some involved in the process said they had expected Grubman to be strictly neutral. The disjointed process was leading to discontent among owners, at a time when, with football's long-term future a constant topic of debate, solidarity was needed.
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SHORTLY BEFORE THE Chicago meetings, Bob Iger received a call from Jerry Richardson. The Panthers' owner wanted to meet the Disney CEO, but Richardson didn't identify the topic -- only that the sit-down should be conducted under strict secrecy. An Iger confidant suggested that Richardson was inquiring about his interest in perhaps replacing the wounded Goodell, but Iger suspected otherwise.
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steveluck7 said:
great article. I found the minor theme of Goodell being detached, etc. interesting. Is he losing favor with the owners? It seems that the common perception is that he makes the owners money so they love him but this article hints at a different scenario.
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There are multiple ways of reading that article, and one plausible interpretation is that Goodell "remained neutral," sat back and let the debates, committees, etc. occur and then went and put his thumb on the scale to get the outcome that would make the league the most money. It certainly makes the owners look like a bunch of backstabbing weasels, and Goodell fits right in. Believe it or not, the article gives me more respect for Jerry Jones, who was out in the open with his opinions instead of being two-faced like the majority.
 
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Maybe, but when you've got Jerry Jones on one side of a battle, and Jerry Richardson on the other side, it doesn't take a genius to understand why not to get in the middle of this. They may be the only two people in the NFL with more power than Goodell himself, and I'm sure Goodell knows that.
 
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More of Goodell didn't want to be seen as pushing for one group of onwers' proposal over another. He does need them to re-up his contract in 2019, and he has already given a small contingent reason enough to question his abilities with Ray Rice, Deflategate, et al. Of course he runs the risk of his neutralness as pissing off a group, but less likely to make true enemies out of it.
 
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From the article:

Despite Spanos' reservations, the Inglewood land -- owned at the time by Wal-Mart, the family business of Kroenke's wife, Ann Walton Kroenke -- still intrigued Kroenke. At the time, it was being sold in a blind auction. Without any warning to Spanos, a company set up by Kroenke, Pincay RE LLC, offered $90 million, outbidding everyone -- including NFL executive Eric Grubman, who later would become the league's point man on the relocation process. Nobody knew whether Grubman had bid on his own or on behalf of the league or some other buyer.
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What was going on there?
 
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