Building a Bullpen, 2019 edition

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Just curious if you recall your feelings about Joe Kelly as of end of regular season last year. In case you don't recall, his ERA from June 1 to September 30 was over 6.00
Joe Kelly had four years of being a decent-to-good major league pitcher.

Ryan Brasier has had four months. After bouncing around the minor leagues (including Japan) for more than a decade.

The situations are not remotely comparable.
 

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Then who exactly is going to be in the playoff bullpen besides Barnes/Workman/Walden/Hembree? Brian Johnson? Maybe if 2018 Brasier shows up, sure, but 2019 Brasier is sub-replacement level.
The answer is Whothefuckknows. Remember him? He's the same guy that was "going to be in the playoff bullpen with Kimbrel, Barnes and Kelly" as of last May 30.
 

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Since his name was mentioned, albeit not in this context, I'll just mention that Kelly has an ERA north of 8 in what has been an unmitigated disaster of a season in LA. The 2018 bullpen will go down next to the 2013 rotation in the "you won with who?!?" discussion. At least the Sox had the sense to move off a couple of those guys, but the urgency to find the next one or two is clearly there.
 

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Joe Kelly had four years of being a decent-to-good major league pitcher.

Ryan Brasier has had four months. After bouncing around the minor leagues (including Japan) for more than a decade.

The situations are not remotely comparable.
Agreed. And as mentioned below, this proven horse has an ERA over 8.

Just shows that no one knows nothing about relievers. None of us wanted Major League Saves Leader Craig Kimbrell in there when it counted last year.
 

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Joe Kelly had four years of being a decent-to-good major league pitcher.

Ryan Brasier has had four months. After bouncing around the minor leagues (including Japan) for more than a decade.

The situations are not remotely comparable.
Joe Kelly had 4 years of failing as a starter and having long stretches of ineffectiveness as a reliever. Let's not rewrite his history now that you want to trash somebody else. He was the dude everyone complained about being not enough when he was in the bullpen.
 

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If the Nats decide to trade him, probably. Considering he has an extremely reasonable team option for 2020, I imagine the Nats will be asking a lot.
How about Will Smith on the Giants? FA after this year. Solid closer on a horrible team. Sergio Romo, now of Miami? Not actually good but available cheap. Raisel Iglesias? Has a year left after this so the cost won't be cheap.
 

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How about Will Smith on the Giants? FA after this year. Solid closer on a horrible team. Sergio Romo, now of Miami? Not actually good but available cheap. Raisel Iglesias? Has a year left after this so the cost won't be cheap.
No Romo please. He's probably washed up at 36 and his nothing but a frisbee slider act in Fenway would be frightening.
 

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Yeah I tossed that name in there with some hesitation. He's available for probably peanuts, but even then maybe not.
That would be a waste of good peanuts.

But I did listen to an Over the Monster podcast the other day where they said that they would deal Dalbec for Doolittle in a heartbeat, should the latter become available. I think I would too, especially with Chavis ahead of him and Casas behind him.
 

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That would be a waste of good peanuts.

But I did listen to an Over the Monster podcast the other day where they said that they would deal Dalbec for Doolittle in a heartbeat, should the latter become available. I think I would too, especially with Chavis ahead of him and Casas behind him.
I would do this only if we could unload Nuñez in that.
 

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How about Will Smith on the Giants? FA after this year. Solid closer on a horrible team. Sergio Romo, now of Miami? Not actually good but available cheap. Raisel Iglesias? Has a year left after this so the cost won't be cheap.
The Reds extended Iglesias through 2021, so he’s probably too expensive. I think Will Smith will have a lot of suitors, but Jake Diekman’s having nearly as good year if we need a lefty. Non-closers like Stammen, Hendriks, David Hernandez, or Sam Dyson are having good years and could work too. Kirby Yates is the prize.
 

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At this point, I think they need to do something. Although I thought Josh Taylor actually looked pretty good tonight
 

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At this point, I think they need to do something. Although I thought Josh Taylor actually looked pretty good tonight
I'm impressed by his stuff: a 96 mph four-seam fastball is fast enough to get away with a few location errors. His secondary pitches (mostly sliders, but also a curve and a sinker in his appearance against Toronto) look to be good enough.

Also, the Red Sox could use a left-handed reliever, even if his stuff is not exactly LOOGY-worthy. Dombrowski's idea of a good reliever is a RHP who throws 94+, so some variety can only help.
 

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I'm impressed by his stuff: a 96 mph four-seam fastball is fast enough to get away with a few location errors. His secondary pitches (mostly sliders, but also a curve and a sinker in his appearance against Toronto) look to be good enough.

Also, the Red Sox could use a left-handed reliever, even if his stuff is not exactly LOOGY-worthy. Dombrowski's idea of a good reliever is a RHP who throws 94+, so some variety can only help.

I agree. I think this isn't brought up enough. Almost all Sox relievers throw a 94+ fastball with a curve from the right side. If you are an opposing hitter, it's just a different guy, not different stuff. (Workman's amazing curve aside)
 

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He gets 3/45 with the Cubs. I am absolutely fine with Boston not paying him that.
 

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Hoping that Johnson can suddenly take a big step forward and turn into a 2 inning bullpen ace.... also Wright’s expected arrival will help.
Who will be sent back down when they show up? I think Shawaryn has some very good potential
 

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Hoping that Johnson can suddenly take a big step forward and turn into a 2 inning bullpen ace.... also Wright’s expected arrival will help.
Who will be sent back down when they show up? I think Shawaryn has some very good potential
I’m very skeptical about Johnson as bullpen ace. More like a spot starter and loogy. The guy has a decent curve ball but shouldn’t be over-rated. Wright is an excellent backup starter and could be useful in a none-on relief role. Shawaryn looks really promising.
 

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I, too, am curious whether Shawaryn will continue to succeed. He's been a consistently not-terrible starter over 3 pro seasons at multiple levels. Maybe not-terrible is his ceiling as a starter, and there's more there as a reliever. Wouldn't be the first.
I think Cora will give him some Walden-ish leverage soon to see if its real.
 

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I, too, am curious whether Shawaryn will continue to succeed. He's been a consistently not-terrible starter over 3 pro seasons at multiple levels. Maybe not-terrible is his ceiling as a starter, and there's more there as a reliever. Wouldn't be the first.
I think Cora will give him some Walden-ish leverage soon to see if its real.
Due to his arm slot, I expected to see a big drop-off in effectiveness against LHH. That is indeed what his 2019 numbers show (.767 OPS allowed to LHH, but only .577 to RHH), but in earlier years he had much smaller, and occasionally reverse, splits.