Bs Playoff Roster, Usage

Scoops Bolling · Apr 14, 2023

I think you leave Uncle Nick and Forbort on the shelf game one, and deploy them as needed. If anyone needs a night (i.e. Krecji), you can move one of those guys in and move the rest around (bumping Bertuzzi and Frederic up and slotting Foligno on the 4th), and you could also put in Forbort (probably over Clifton) if the PK and front of the net need a shot in the arm. Similarly, Foligno is a good "break in case of emergency" energy guy, probably over Trent.

I'm not sure if it will be a straight up time share or not, but I would be very surprised if Swayman doesn't get any starts.

Talk about first world problems.

The Mort Report · Apr 14, 2023

I'm fairly certain it was noted post game that Krecji is good to go game 1. Also, I think it goes without saying, assuming everyone is healthy that 6th D or last forward will depend on the situation, whether within a series or who they are playing. I'd also say Gryz is a near lock to play. I'm more curious how the middle 6 shakes out. Obviously Monty mixes and matches, but I've really enjoyed the connection Bertuzzi and Pasta have developed. However, if they're together I think it would have to be with Zacha since Krecji would be a little redundant as a playmaker with Beretuzzi. I'm guessing the start with what's posted above, but they are basically 6 second liners to fill the middle two lines

tims4wins · Apr 14, 2023

The Mort Report said:
I'm fairly certain it was noted post game that Krecji is good to go game 1. Also, I think it goes without saying, assuming everyone is healthy that 6th D or last forward will depend on the situation, whether within a series or who they are playing. I'd also say Gryz is a near lock to play. I'm more curious how the middle 6 shakes out. Obviously Monty mixes and matches, but I've really enjoyed the connection Bertuzzi and Pasta have developed. However, if they're together I think it would have to be with Zacha since Krecji would be a little redundant as a playmaker with Beretuzzi. I'm guessing the start with what's posted above, but they are basically 6 second liners to fill the middle two lines

Agree that I am most curious how the middle 6 plays out (and the goalie situation). But it's awesome that Monty can mix and max and I don't think that any of the players will freak out.

wiffleballhero · Apr 14, 2023

Fredric played in 79 games. He's not getting scratched unless injured.

Because of injuries and the pattern at this point, Foligno, Greer, Lauko up front and then Forbort and Zboril on D are the guys wearing suits and ties.

I could easily see Forbort and Foligno never quite being at the point where they want to put them in.

I think Greer and Lauko get the minutes as injuries happen (as they will). It is hard for me to see a situation where Foligno gets in actually. Maybe if Fredric is injured? Maybe Hathaway? But almost anyone else it would seem that the shuffle would be just different in a way that would not go to Foligno first. And on D, they just need to decide how ready Forbort really is.

I don't want to do anything weird:

Marchand Bergy DeBrusk
Pasta Krejci Zacha
Bertuzzi Coyle Hall
Hathaway Nosek Fredric

Orlov McAvoy
Lindholm Carlo
Griz Clifton

wiffleballhero · Apr 16, 2023

This is what Amalie Benjamin wrote yesterday about game 1:

Bruins projected lineup
Brad Marchand -- Patrice Bergeron -- Jake DeBrusk
Pavel Zacha -- David Krejci -- David Pastrnak
Taylor Hall -- Charlie Coyle -- Tyler Bertuzzi
Nick Foligno -- Tomas Nosek -- Garnet Hathaway
Dmitry Orlov -- Charlie McAvoy
Hampus Lindholm -- Brandon Carlo
Derek Forbort -- Connor Clifton
Linus Ullmark
Jeremy Swayman
Scratched: Trent Frederic, A.J. Greer, Jakub Lauko, Matt Grzelcyk, Jakub Zboril

Makes me think that Grzelcyk is more banged up than I thought (and more than Monty is letting on in the press).

I guess I'm going to be wrong about the Foligno and Fredric moves since I don't think Benjamin would just WAG a move like that where it is a change against the recent norm.

Eddie Jurak · Apr 16, 2023

This team seems so much better than the 2011 team.

Would you rather have Chara and Seidenberg than McAvoy and Lindholm? Maybe, I don't know. But Orlov, Carlo, Clifton, Forbort, Grzelcyk is certainly better than Ference, Boychuk, McQuaid, Kaberle.

Up front, Shawn Thornton played 18 of 25 games in that run and Seguin was scratched 12 times. But Seguin was a rookie and outside of one great (4-point) period in one game against Tampa, was not that productive.

Myt1 · Apr 16, 2023

Starting by playing Foligno over Frederic and Forbort over Grz is insane, IMHO. Maybe Benjamin is just noting the last practice lines and pairings, but I have to think that both of them are still rusty.

TSC · Apr 16, 2023

Tactically - I agree with you.

But Foligno (Uncle Nick) has seemingly taken on a pretty big leadership role with this group. This may be an acknowledgement of that by Monty. Let him get in the first game. Give the team a bit of an emotional uplift, and hope the rust isn't as bad as we imagine.

We forget how solid Foligno was before going down with injury. I don't think he's going to hurt you out there, while there may be other players who might play better than him, he's not going to lose you the game.

Myt1 · Apr 16, 2023

TSC said:
Tactically - I agree with you.

But Foligno (Uncle Nick) has seemingly taken on a pretty big leadership role with this group. This may be an acknowledgement of that by Monty. Let him get in the first game. Give the team a bit of an emotional uplift, and hope the rust isn't as bad as we imagine.

We forget how solid Foligno was before going down with injury. I don't think he's going to hurt you out there, while there may be other players who might play better than him, he's not going to lose you the game.

FWIW, I think the Forbort decision is worse, for the reasons you cite, and also because their PK has been excellent without him for this stretch. Also, Grz is just flat out better until he gets hurt.

TSC · Apr 16, 2023

Wrong thread

wiffleballhero · Apr 17, 2023

Bouncing around my screen this morning, I've now become quite curious to see if what we are looking at with Bergeron's status is a case of 'where there's smoke, there's fire' or if this is just an exercise in exploiting the world of click-bait for a little gamesmanship.

Let's hope it is the latter.

Foxy42 · Apr 17, 2023

Same. Pit in my stomach for some reason as it seems like Sweeney and Neely weee kind of fumbling over each other with their non answers.

bsl394 · Apr 17, 2023

Foxy42 said:
Same. Pit in my stomach for some reason as it seems like Sweeney and Neely weee kind of fumbling over each other with their non answers.

I didn’t want to be the one to say this but I’m starting to get that feeling as well. Seems like if he was good to go they’d just say so - but the vague answers makes me think there’s something to this.

Did he aggravate something in Montreal? Did he start to play and just felt it was too much pain? That’s what really befuddles me - if it was a nagging injury why play him, and why did it take him until the 3rd to come out unless he reaggravated or worsened it?

cshea · Apr 17, 2023

He only played the 1st period in Montreal. It sounds like he had the "nagging" injury prior to the Montreal game. My read on the situation is the team would've preferred for him to not play at all but he wanted to play because it was potentially his last game in Montreal (a 'home' game for him) with a lot of family and friends in attendance. Monty respected his decision/wishes but the concession on Bergy's part was being honest and pulling the plug at any hint of discomfort, which is what happened. Obviously with the bigger picture in mind it would've been best to leave him home and all but he's also earned the right to play that game if he wants.

Monty said it was a nagging injury and something Bergy has dealt with before. Team listed it as an UBI. He's had groin injuries in the past but that's LBI. Last year he had offseason surgery for an elbow injury. I wonder if something flared up there? Shoulder? I don't think it's a concussion. If it was, they would say that.

It seemed like the plan was for him to stay off the ice on Saturday and return on Sunday but then the illness struck and canceled those plans.

wiffleballhero · Apr 17, 2023

FWIW Bergeron had only 5:36 TOI in that Montreal game, exactly half of which was on those power plays in the first. And correct me if I am wrong, but there was not any particular moment in that 5:36 that was remarkable in any way with regard to contact and injuries. I think he's sick.

cshea · Apr 18, 2023

Bergy is feeling better, but questionable for tomorrow.

View: https://twitter.com/ConorRyan_93/status/1648352406705524737?s=20

jk333 · Apr 18, 2023

cshea said:
Monty said it was a nagging injury and something Bergy has dealt with before. Team listed it as an UBI. He's had groin injuries in the past but that's LBI. Last year he had offseason surgery for an elbow injury. I wonder if something flared up there? Shoulder? I don't think it's a concussion. If it was, they would say that.

I was told it was his elbow. 3rd or 4th hand info from someone I trust but that is still a guy telling a guy.

wiffleballhero · Apr 19, 2023

I don't know, I'd kinda like to see Bergeron and Gryzelcyk get a chance to play.
How about that for a change?

Edit:
I'm annoyed

Krejci can't really play 5v5 with a line also carrying Bertuzzi. They are too slow together defensively.
Foligno can't really do anything except steal minutes from better players while, paradoxically, blocking the Bruins from running their strength which is four highly employed lines.
Forbort is redundant but is blocking out a unique player in Gryzelcyk. Total waste right now (and that is generous).

bsl394 · Apr 20, 2023

They need Bergeron back. I'm torn on Krejci - he doesn't look good but I don't know if you can sit him, and do you really bump him down to the third line? At this point I think Coyle is playing better than him, and Krejci would be wasted on a 4th line. I'd like to see Bertuzzi move up to the 2nd line if Krejci sits or is bumped down - I really like what I've seen out of him. Think they also need to get Gryz back in the lineup.

Haunted · Apr 20, 2023

Unless Krejci is actually hurt, it's absurd to sit him.

MiracleOfO2704 · Apr 20, 2023

Assuming Bergeron slots back in, the problem with going back to the Czechs is you now have a line with 3 guys that want to make the killer pass and one that maybe is occasionally willing to finish it (Hall-Coyle-Bertuzzi). The plus is at least all four lines have at least one forward that can track back on transition defence.

I do wonder if Grzelcyk for Forbort fixes as much as we think. As has been pointed out, last night’s problem was turnovers: 15 giveaways is a sure fire way to lose to anyone, especially when so many are in the NZ or their own blue line. They have to identify the second forward coming down on them at the blue line and adjust for it. I saw that happen so often, only for the third forward to skate into the path of the bad/deflected pass and catch everyone up ice (definitely Montour’s first, I’m not torturing myself by watching that again). It may also mean that the Bruins’ F3 may need to sag back and create a more viable option and look for the breakout pass after that.

wiffleballhero · Apr 20, 2023

Yeah, IDK, I want Grzelcyk. I've probably written it so many times in so many different threads that I am almost at the point where I can actually spell his name correctly.

The Bruins are struggling getting the puck through the neutral zone, avoiding turnovers. He's good at carrying the puck up out of the back in a fashion that would at least present a different defensive challenge for Florida and, again, I don't see the upside of Forbort working through September-level rust at this point, especially given his redundancy with what other defenders can do on the penalty kill.

MiracleOfO2704 said:
Assuming Bergeron slots back in, the problem with going back to the Czechs is you now have a line with 3 guys that want to make the killer pass and one that maybe is occasionally willing to finish it (Hall-Coyle-Bertuzzi). The plus is at least all four lines have at least one forward that can track back on transition defence.

I'll take Zacha's back checking on the Czech line right now. Bertuzzi is just not a fast enough skater to pair with Pasta and Krejci while Krejci is still struggling for wind. It is fine when they have the puck but you don't always have it. They looked exposed without it. And Bertuzzi, Coyle and Hall are all pros. They'll shoot if they can and Hall and Coyle are skaters who can cover an enormous amount of ice with speed while Bertuzzi is sort of something not quite that.

I also like then having a fourth line of Nosek, Fredric and Hathaway.

But all of this hangs on the fantasy that Bergy can play.

If he can't play my message boarder 'brilliant' idea is to move Nosek up to the first line, bring Lauko onto the fourth line that then Fredric centers.

Lines 2 and 3 would be solid, line 1 would be defensively solid and line 4 would be fast and tough.

NJ_Sox_Fan said:
Seems like we aren’t getting Bergeron back anytime soon Otherwise why the Steen move?

The Swedish a cappella group just doesn't work with only two?

bsl394 · Apr 24, 2023

Up 3-1 do they keep Bergeron out for at least one more game to get him even more rest?

Gary Geiger’s Ghost · Apr 24, 2023

Is anyone else worried about Pastrnak? He's always been a turnover machine at the blue line but now he seems to be behind the play frequently and is looking to pass instead of shoot. Are the Panthers in his head or are they collapsing their D to cut off all his shooting angles?

Eddie Jurak · Apr 24, 2023

Some interesting personnel decisions coming up now.

Obviously, the best thing to do is win game 5 and get everyong the rest to the next round.

But, with a 2 game lead and headed back home, and having won the two without Bergeron and Krejci, maybe rushing one or both of them back would be a mistake.

Lose Remerswaal · Apr 24, 2023

bsl394 said:
Up 3-1 do they keep Bergeron out for at least one more game to get him even more rest?

100% they do.

edit: or not, based on below

TSC · Apr 24, 2023

Monty said if they’re healthy, they play.

Boots on necks, etc.

View: https://twitter.com/_tyanderson/status/1650275387799138312?s=46&t=OkYc4B97cAcDPw09PEJj_w

Justthetippett · Apr 24, 2023

Eddie Jurak said:
Some interesting personnel decisions coming up now.

Obviously, the best thing to do is win game 5 and get everyong the rest to the next round.

But, with a 2 game lead and headed back home, and having won the two without Bergeron and Krejci, maybe rushing one or both of them back would be a mistake.

Really comes down to their individual situations I think. But I would try almost anything to end the series in G5. They have them on the ropes. You don't want a motivated Florida team back here with momentum if things somehow end up going 7.

jk333 · Apr 24, 2023

Bergeron is going to play if he’s healthy but it’s also clear that he’s not healthy.

I hope that the Bruins can finish Florida without Bergeron and that he is healthy enough to play game 1 in round 2.

IdiotKicker · Apr 24, 2023

I don't think either play Wednesday because I don't think either are healthy. Krejci looked like a shell of himself in G1 and G2 despite having two weeks off beforehand, and given Bergeron's previous ability to play through pain, I suspect we are looking at more of a minimum 3-4 week recovery for whatever ails him as opposed to just missing 10 days.

wiffleballhero · Apr 24, 2023

We don't know. Maybe we'll get a sense of things from the media's look at the Tuesday skate.

lexrageorge · Apr 24, 2023

Montgomery's post-game comments made it seem like that Bergeron is much closer to returning than Krejci. He also said if either are healthy, they will play in Game 5; of course, that is coach-speak at a time in the season when most hockey players are playing through something or other anyway. I'm not as pessimistic on Bergeron's return as some are; I think there's a better than 50/50 chance he plays Game 5, but as noted we will see what happens during the Tuesday skate.

As for Pastrnak, he's had a couple of meh games, but he's also 2nd on the team on shots on goal, so he's been a little snake bit around the net as well. The Panthers are obviously keying on him whenever he's on the ice, but that's why depth matters a whole lot in the playoffs.

Lupe Whalewatch · Apr 24, 2023

Gary Geiger’s Ghost said:
Is anyone else worried about Pastrnak? He's always been a turnover machine at the blue line but now he seems to be behind the play frequently and is looking to pass instead of shoot. Are the Panthers in his head or are they collapsing their D to cut off all his shooting angles?

No. He had 7 shots on goal and 13 shot attempts two games ago. At home, it seemed the Panthers were matching the Tkachuk line against Pasta's line, which could contribute to some of what you are seeing. I think he is fine though.

TSC · Apr 24, 2023

The other thing with Pastrnak, especially yesterday - it seemed like a lot of his chances came at the end of a long shift. The two long outlet passes he got where he ended up turning into the play instead of trying to rush the net, you could tell he was already gassed. That may shade our opinions of his performance as those were two high visibility plays.

wiffleballhero · Apr 24, 2023

The last two games have presented Pastrnak with some weird lines as well. The best version of Pasta is one where he can run with a healthy Zacha and Krejci so his responsibilities are reduced down to where he shines -- make plays, benefit from Krejci's vision, shoot the puck. But the lines have been pretty weird, first because Krejci was not 100% and then because they've moved Zacha into different groups.

Haunted · Apr 24, 2023

Pasta has always been somewhat hampered by very physical teams as well, especially when they target him. Florida is playing very goonish the last few games, and I’m sure that’s knocking him off his own style a bit. Add to that the shuffling line mates, as wiffleballhero points out.

cshea · Apr 24, 2023

IdiotKicker said:
I don't think either play Wednesday because I don't think either are healthy. Krejci looked like a shell of himself in G1 and G2 despite having two weeks off beforehand, and given Bergeron's previous ability to play through pain, I suspect we are looking at more of a minimum 3-4 week recovery for whatever ails him as opposed to just missing 10 days.

It's tough to get a read on things in the playoffs but I think Bergeron has a chance to play on Wednesday. That appears to be the messaging from the team and it also lines up with the information we have. In typical rehabs, the first step is getting back on the ice and skating on your own/with other injured players. We know he was back on the ice doing this last Wednesday and Thursday. Assuming no setbacks and he continued skating through the weekend (and there is no way to verify this; everyone was in Florida), that's 5-6 days of workouts so I think he'll rejoin the team tomorrow for practice. If he does indeed rejoin practice tomorrow, the tell will be contact or no-contact. If he's in no-contact I think it'll be another game. If he's taking contact then I think Wednesday is likely as long as he doesn't have any ill effects from taking contact and feels good on Wednesday.

No clue what is going on with Krejci but Monty has hinted that Bergeron is closer to playing than Krejci.

LogansDad · Apr 24, 2023

I look at it this way. If he is 100% (or something reasonably resembling it), I am pretty sure they put him in. It would make sense to get him back up to game speed in game 5, rather than wait until 1) next round and a tougher opponent or 2) this series to be tighter.

If he isn't reasonably close to 100%, though, I suspect more rest will be given, since they can afford it, for now.

cshea · Apr 24, 2023

Bergeron is going to practice tomorrow.

Krejci is not and is still undergoing tests. If the team releases an offical update on Krejci, that would be bad news.

View: https://twitter.com/conroyherald/status/1650580190223818774?s=20

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