Bryan Colangelo Submits Resignation

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I’m not buying that this debacle increases the Sixers’ odds of getting LeBron — not because the story itself will make him less inclined to come to Philly (assuming Colangelo is gone in the next week or two), but because the club will be rudderless during the critical period where it needs to make its push to acquire him.

Of course, I’m in the camp that thinks an LBJ signing needs to be accompanied by a Simmons trade, which is a bit of a complicated maneuver. If you think it’s simply a matter of offering LBJ a max contract and renouncing whomever you need to renounce to create the necessary cap space, an interim GM can manage that, and the opportunity for LBJ to have a say in who fills the vacant GM spot can be used as a selling point.
It's interesting that people think Simmons should be traded to get LBJ. Maybe there's a dispassionate analytical argument for this but my take is that if LBJ is going to PHI, no superstar like LBJ or Simmons is going to admit that he can't play with another superstar. And maybe there's a contrarian GM or two that would explore trading Simmons but if LBJ is coming to PHI, he's coming to play with Simmons and Embiid. LBJ has said too many nice tings to or about Simmons to force him off the team.

And put me in the camp that those guys are too good for it to matter much.
 

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Personally, I am not trading Simmons' career for Lebron's waning years. Amazing as he is, you can already see he's struggling with fatigue during games. I don't know how long he's going to be at that level.
 

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I think the argument is that the two of them would be redundant since they both need the ball on offense.
Yup. And this is a valid concern although I highly doubt they would trade Simmons, at least right away. There’s no reason to trade him in that scenario before you have a chance to see what the lineup can do. If it proves to not work, as some expect, then you can trade Simmons later. His value will remain high. But given that his salary is on the rookie scale, I don’t even know how you’d find equal value for him. It’s also possible that LeBron would like to play with a guy like Simmons to keep his legs fresh.
 

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I don’t see the redundancy thing at all. I mean, I know it didn’t end up great but Kyrie and Lebron coexisted for a number of years together with Kyrie as PG. Obviously Kyrie was leagues ahead of Simmons as a scorer right out of sxhool. But if anything, I’d expect Simmons to benefit mightily from having a scoring threat like Lebron on that team – as it would allow him to work on his shooting and finishing (and maybe even his defense) in a way he doesn’t have the luxury to right now.
 

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I don’t see the redundancy thing at all. I mean, I know it didn’t end up great but Kyrie and Lebron coexisted for a number of years together with Kyrie as PG. Obviously Kyrie was leagues ahead of Simmons as a scorer right out of sxhool. But if anything, I’d expect Simmons to benefit mightily from having a scoring threat like Lebron on that team – as it would allow him to work on his shooting and finishing (and maybe even his defense) in a way he doesn’t have the luxury to right now.
Simmons cant shoot, so I have no idea how you do not see this as a problem.

What is Simmons going to do when Lebron drives the lane and passes to him? It is hard to drive when your teammate already is there with his defender(s).
 

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I think the argument is that the two of them would be redundant since they both need the ball on offense.
But Lebron supposedly wants to play off ball going forward.

And if they deal Simmons and it’s Lebron/Embiid—man, they better hope Embiid stays healthy.
 

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I don’t see the redundancy thing at all. I mean, I know it didn’t end up great but Kyrie and Lebron coexisted for a number of years together with Kyrie as PG. Obviously Kyrie was leagues ahead of Simmons as a scorer right out of sxhool. But if anything, I’d expect Simmons to benefit mightily from having a scoring threat like Lebron on that team – as it would allow him to work on his shooting and finishing (and maybe even his defense) in a way he doesn’t have the luxury to right now.
The redundancy comes from the question of what LBJ does when Simmons has the ball and what Simmons does when LBJ has the ball (this latter question is a really good question). I'm not denying it's real; I'm just saying in the real world of superstar athletes, neither Simmons nor LBJ have (or should have) the self-awareness to ask this question and if LBJ goes to PHI, it's going to be to play with Simmons.

Also, Simmons is a Klutch client too so I don't think LBJ is going to mastermind his exit.

Simmons is not Andrew Wiggins. LBJ has intimated that Simmons could be his successor. It will be delicious watching Kyrie, Gordon, and the rest going after LBJ, Simmons, and Embiid.
 

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Personally, I am not trading Simmons' career for Lebron's waning years. Amazing as he is, you can already see he's struggling with fatigue during games. I don't know how long he's going to be at that level.
I think “waning years” is overstating the case. Maybe he’ll fall off a cliff in the next year or two, but right now he’s in the midst of a surprisingly competitive Finals with nothing but Kevin Love and a bunch of spare parts. He’s not going to win another MVP because he won’t (and shouldn’t) invest the required effort over an 82-game season, but he’s still the best player on the planet when the chips are down, and it’s not even close.

Would I trade Simmons so LBJ could sign a deal that lets him opt out after next season? No way. But if LBJ would commit to a standard max deal (4 years, opt-out after 3), I would definitely explore a Simmons + spare parts to SA for Kawhi deal. And if Philly won’t do that, he’s better off going to the Lakers to play for Luke Walton along with PG13, Ingram, and whatever Ball will fetch in trade (which won’t be chopped liver, notwithstanding the hate for Ball in these parts).
 

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Personally, I am not trading Simmons' career for Lebron's waning years. Amazing as he is, you can already see he's struggling with fatigue during games. I don't know how long he's going to be at that level.
The fatigue would probably be less of an issue on a team where he could play 30-35 minutes a night instead of having to be on the court for 45+.
 

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The concept that everyone on the team needs to be a 3pt shooter is exaggerated.

Simmons is very smart, can cut without the ball, and would likely get a shitload of layups and short distance gimmes with LBJ drawing and dishing. Same goes for the other way. Thompson gets hoops with LBJ feeding him.

They have legit bombers on that team, even if Reddick leaves.

Trading Simmons to free up Lebron dribble time assumes that neither is adaptable, and there is no evidence of that.
 

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They have legit bombers on that team, even if Reddick leaves.
Covington and saric are both career 36% three point shooters. That is a fine percentage, and they both shot better than that last year, but I wound't exactly call them legit bombers. But even if do consider them legit, there really is nobody else at all on the team that could be considered good three point shooters. Redick was so damn important for the spacing he provided.
 

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Covington and saric are both career 36% three point shooters. That is a fine percentage, and they both shot better than that last year, but I wound't exactly call them legit bombers. But even if do consider them legit, there really is nobody else at all on the team that could be considered good three point shooters. Redick was so damn important for the spacing he provided.
If Philly got LeBron I have little doubt that they could find one or two knockdown shooters of the Kyle Korver variety for the "room" MLE, veteran minimums and/or smaller trades.
 

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If Philly got LeBron I have little doubt that they could find one or two knockdown shooters of the Kyle Korver variety for the "room" MLE, veteran minimums and/or smaller trades.
I agree. While Reddick would be a loss, finding league average or better spot up shooters isn't a nightmare.

Moops, you're right--legit bombers sounds more than I meant to imply. All they really need is a few credible 3 point threats to go along with two guys who can get to the rim and make strong cuts. IMO
 

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Covington and saric are both career 36% three point shooters. That is a fine percentage, and they both shot better than that last year, but I wound't exactly call them legit bombers. But even if do consider them legit, there really is nobody else at all on the team that could be considered good three point shooters. Redick was so damn important for the spacing he provided.
That isn't really fair to Dario Saric. He just turned 24 in April and played his 2nd season. His first year, he shot .311 from 3. This season he shot .393, and on decent volume, at 5.1 attempts a game. it's very possible his improvement was real. Covington is probably a 36% 3 point shooter though, more or less.

It's also possible Dario Saric is too, I don't think we know yet though.
 

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The concept that everyone on the team needs to be a 3pt shooter is exaggerated.

Simmons is very smart, can cut without the ball, and would likely get a shitload of layups and short distance gimmes with LBJ drawing and dishing. Same goes for the other way. Thompson gets hoops with LBJ feeding him.

They have legit bombers on that team, even if Reddick leaves.

Trading Simmons to free up Lebron dribble time assumes that neither is adaptable, and there is no evidence of that.
It would help greatly if Simmons could develop a reliable mid-range jumper ala Sean Livingston. If he can hit the 15-18 footer he can camp right near the 3 point line and drive in off the kick out to take a mid range before he gets to where it might be clogged up from an LBJ drive.
 

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Personally, I am not trading Simmons' career for Lebron's waning years. Amazing as he is, you can already see he's struggling with fatigue during games. I don't know how long he's going to be at that level.
What if you signed Lebron and dealt Simmons for Kawhi? Does that change things?
 

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I wouldn't even bother discussing the fit of LeBron and Simmons. History says if LBJ is joining the Sixers, he is handpicking another veteran star to play there with him. Simmons is both the most tradeable and most redundant. LBJ is not going to Philly to sit around and wait for guys like Simmons and Fultz to learn how to shoot and/or create their own offense so that they can not only be on the floor with him but also allow him to at least take some possessions off every once in a while.

It's not for nothing that Houston are one of the favorites to land him despite a much more difficult path toward clearing the requisite cap space.
 

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Ted Wells is actually on the case!
Fultz/Covington/Bayless/draft pick going out to some combination of teams to net themselves Leebron and George.
Still not as good as what LeBron could join in Boston, and he loves Stevens. LA he could add George and Boogie, though. And he has the home there.
 

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I think that is debateable. Assuming that Kyrie has to go for those two can not play together.
Simmons, Kawhi, Lebron, Saric, Embiid
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Lebron, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Horford
Wait, how are they getting Kawhi, too? I thought it was George.
Unless we trade Brown for Kawhi.
The Celtics can’t make it work salary wise, unless they give up Horford with Brown.
 

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So er most of this isn't relevant to this thread, at all. The last mega thread was locked, we have threads for the sixers, for the process, for the offseason generally.

LeBron to the sixers as a fit doesn't belong here and I've discussed why the Simmons LeBron can't play together thing is really dumb (remember Paul and harden can't play together either from last year)

On topic, this ownership group is a fucking joke and them not firing him is fricking moronic an dim absolutely livid.
 

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Sorry London, but hard to imagine this thing is wrapped up anytime soon with this news.
Do the 76ers have to pay his contract if they let him go unless they find wrongdoing? Because I cannot fathom why they would let this drag on any longer. Are they really going to let this lame duck run preparations for free agency and the draft, both of which begin at the end of this month?
 

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Do the 76ers have to pay his contract if they let him go unless they find wrongdoing? Because I cannot fathom why they would let this drag on any longer. Are they really going to let this lame duck run preparations for free agency and the draft, both of which begin at the end of this month?
That is the assumption, fired for cause gets out. Fired because PR not so much.
However, if this is putting the entire offseason at risk for a dumb fucking contract it's sad.

Ruining the draft and most important offseason in years because they wanted to save a few bucks is about perfect.
 

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That is the assumption, fired for cause gets out. Fired because PR not so much.
However, if this is putting the entire offseason at risk for a dumb fucking contract it's sad.

Ruining the draft and most important offseason in years because they wanted to save a few bucks is about perfect.
Word.

The fish rots from the head down (as I remind Bruins fans from time to time). Competent ownership would whack him now and sort out the details later.
 

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Word.

The fish rots from the head down (as I remind Bruins fans from time to time). Competent ownership would whack him now and sort out the details later.
Remember, Sixers ownership has a higher opinion of Colangelo than we do. If he’s on task, they might see value in having him managing the team’s draft prep for a few weeks, rather than having one of his subordinates step in as interim GM and do that.

I’m sure they are also proceeding through the stages of grief on that Brett Brown extension. No candidate worth his salt will accept the Philly GM position without assurances that he can move on from Brown after next season at the latest. Perhaps Brown will win over his new boss, but it’s more likely that they’ll be paying Brown for a few years not to coach the Sixers. If they realize that, I’m sure it’s only compounding their hesitance to pull the trigger on Colangelo without line-of-sight to avoiding their remaining contractual obligation to him.

They’ve got 2-3 weeks before delay costs them anything. Most internal investigations can be wrapped up within that sort of time window, assuming that everyone involved makes the investigation their top priority. So I don’t think Sixers fans should be up in arms just yet.
 

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So er most of this isn't relevant to this thread, at all. The last mega thread was locked, we have threads for the sixers, for the process, for the offseason generally.

LeBron to the sixers as a fit doesn't belong here and I've discussed why the Simmons LeBron can't play together thing is really dumb (remember Paul and harden can't play together either from last year)

On topic, this ownership group is a fucking joke and them not firing him is fricking moronic an dim absolutely livid.
Apples and Oranges. Harden and Paul are both knock-down 3-point shooters.
 

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Seriously though, can we take the general Sixers roster talk to one of the Sixers threads? Every time I see 10 new posts here I assume BC's been canned.
Or lock all of the ones started in past week and return to one thread. I agree that it's painful keeping these organized and posting in correct thread when you're commenting on a post that really belongs in another one.
 

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I think “waning years” is overstating the case. Maybe he’ll fall off a cliff in the next year or two, but right now he’s in the midst of a surprisingly competitive Finals with nothing but Kevin Love and a bunch of spare parts. He’s not going to win another MVP because he won’t (and shouldn’t) invest the required effort over an 82-game season, but he’s still the best player on the planet when the chips are down, and it’s not even close.

Would I trade Simmons so LBJ could sign a deal that lets him opt out after next season? No way. But if LBJ would commit to a standard max deal (4 years, opt-out after 3), I would definitely explore a Simmons + spare parts to SA for Kawhi deal. And if Philly won’t do that, he’s better off going to the Lakers to play for Luke Walton along with PG13, Ingram, and whatever Ball will fetch in trade (which won’t be chopped liver, notwithstanding the hate for Ball in these parts).
Lebron turns 34 on 12/30/2018. How many years does he have on this otherwordly level? I don't think more than 2. Then, he should be more like a late years Tim Duncan. Great, but not the best. I wouldn't want to to trade literally a great player's career for 2 years of otherwordly Lebron.
 

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People hire these guys with a predetermined, desired result in mind. The Sixers already know the findings will be catered to their interests, whatever those might be.
 

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People hire these guys with a predetermined, desired result in mind. The Sixers already know the findings will be catered to their interests, whatever those might be.
Correct. They are covering their bases to fire him with cause to get out from under his contract.
 

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Correct. They are covering their bases to fire him with cause to get out from under his contract.
This is my hope, in which case they are hopefully planning the next step now not waiting.
But this is all from fans of actual franchise which aren't mainly famous for self immolation.
So it's hard to be really confident lol.
 

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Wait, how are they getting Kawhi, too? I thought it was George.

The Celtics can’t make it work salary wise, unless they give up Horford with Brown.
Brown, Morris, Monroe re-upped, Rozier, according to trade machine
 

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This is how it will play out going forward:
1. NBA has decided Colangelo is toast but they don't want any distractions during the Finals
2. This is a black eye during the NBA Finals and Silver is rightfully pissed
3. The NBA going forward will clean up the BC/Sixers fiasco
4. NBA brings in the law firm today, making the announcement on a day off from the Finals
5. To muzzle Sixer mgmt/ownership all questions will be directed to the law firm during the so-called "investigation".
6. Law firm's standard answer to media during the Finals: NO COMMENT
7. Once Finals end, Colangelo is fired from the Sixers and receives some sort of NBA ban (Jerry C does his best to negotiate a 1yr ban for his son)
8. We get zero clarity on who wrote the Twitter stuff and NDAs are signed by all parties
9. Sixers ownership backs players, and distance themselves from BC. They paint a picture that all they need is a veteran to lead them to the promised land.
10. This all blows over as a 1 bad apple in the basket problem
11. Sixers go all out for Lebron with Paul George as the backup plan.
12. Sixers land one of them and its game on with the Celtics next season.
 

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Isn’t George rumored to be deciding between OKC and LA? He’d be a great fit in Philly but I don’t see him going there.

To me, Plan A is (obviously) LeBron. Plan B is George (but not likely). Plan C is Kawhi. No idea what Plan D would be.
 

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This is how it will play out going forward:
1. NBA has decided Colangelo is toast but they don't want any distractions during the Finals
2. This is a black eye during the NBA Finals and Silver is rightfully pissed
3. The NBA going forward will clean up the BC/Sixers fiasco
4. NBA brings in the law firm today, making the announcement on a day off from the Finals
5. To muzzle Sixer mgmt/ownership all questions will be directed to the law firm during the so-called "investigation".
6. Law firm's standard answer to media during the Finals: NO COMMENT
7. Once Finals end, Colangelo is fired from the Sixers and receives some sort of NBA ban (Jerry C does his best to negotiate a 1yr ban for his son)
8. We get zero clarity on who wrote the Twitter stuff and NDAs are signed by all parties
9. Sixers ownership backs players, and distance themselves from BC. They paint a picture that all they need is a veteran to lead them to the promised land.
10. This all blows over as a 1 bad apple in the basket problem
11. Sixers go all out for Lebron with Paul George as the backup plan.
12. Sixers land one of them and its game on with the Celtics next season.
Why are you involving the league with hiring the law firm or inflicting disciplinary action on BC? They aren't involved it is the Sixers who are hiring the law firm to investigate and provide empirical evidence so they can get out of BC's contract.
 

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Why are you involving the league with hiring the law firm or inflicting disciplinary action on BC? They aren't involved it is the Sixers who are hiring the law firm to investigate and provide empirical evidence so they can get out of BC's contract.
Pure speculation on my part. BUT I think the NBA/Silver are PO'd and are orchestrating this in the background (so the Finals are not disturbed). They may want the appearance that the Sixers have control of this mess, but the league needs to straighten this out.
PLUS
Social media, Instagram/Twitter/FB, is expected to be a huge piece of future revenue for the NBA, they shouldn't leave this in the hands of Sixer ownership.
 
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