3-years, $3 million AAV for Reilly
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Seems like a good deal here. Evolving Hockey had Reilly projected at $4.1 million over 4 years.
I thought Reilly got bullied in his own end in the playoffs. I’m not opposed to this, but I need someone more sturdy on that side so he and Gryz aren’t top two pair. I think he’s fantastic for the regular season, but his issues in his own end showed up once playoffs rolled around.
This. Reilly was bullied in the playoffs and we need a sturdier piece at LHD.
In this market, getting Reilly at 3x3 is an absolute coup and a deal we should be thrilled about. He's not a perfect player, but he's a great pairing with Carlo and this deal should cover his absolute prime. The D isn't done, but this helps quite a bit.
Not sure if they need sturdy or just someone who can take top 4 minutes (like Schultz) so that Reilly has softer matchups.
I love this deal. Very small sample size, but in the regular season, him and Carlo absolutely dominated for the 4 games they were together. I think their skill sets really compliment each other.
Now sign Dougie and call it a day. (I'm not serious. I am, but I'm not)
Now sign Dougie and call it a day. (I'm not serious. I am, but I'm not)
If they get Dougie, I'll eat crow about this off-season.
Add a vet goalie for camp competition and call it a day.
Add a vet goalie for camp competition and call it a day.
Schmidt is gone to WPG. Looks like Gryz, Reilly, Zboril/Vaak on the left side without an unforeseen upgrade coming. Don't love it.
Dom's contract projection. He loves it.
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Dom's contract projection. He loves it.
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Big fan of the signing. He’s an underrated player and I don’t think anyone left on the left side gives you as much as he does. I’m still ok signing a depth piece like Forbort who is a little more defensive oriented as a depth piece.
Very content so far with their moves on Reilly and Hall. Suspect them not qualifying Ritchie and Kase is a sign they will be adding more than just what they’ve done and resigning Krejci. They have room to do more.
Very content so far with their moves on Reilly and Hall. Suspect them not qualifying Ritchie and Kase is a sign they will be adding more than just what they’ve done and resigning Krejci. They have room to do more.
Friedman “guesses” Coleman to Boston for 6 years $5 million AAV
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He also adds Forbert will head to Boston as well.
6 years to Coleman is brutal, and potentially Belesky level bad. Nice player, and he could help the 3rd line, but yikes at that term and AAV. He’s barely passed 20 goals twice in his career. Let’s hope that’s not real.
6 years to Coleman is brutal, and potentially Belesky level bad. Nice player, and he could help the 3rd line, but yikes at that term and AAV. He’s barely passed 20 goals twice in his career. Let’s hope that’s not real.
Doesn’t that feel like all the worst parts of the Beleskey and Backes deals merged together into one super-albatross contract?
I think it depends on Krejcis deal.
If Krejci only wants to come back for 1 year before heading overseas (as he’s said he wants to do), it makes sense both as a GFIN, and line of succession standpoint.
If Krejci is signing for more than 2 years I’d hate it.
I think we’ll all hate that Coleman contract in a couple years, but he’s a player this group sorely needs.
I'm trying to talk myself into this because that contract feels SO bad.
He had 9 goals and 14 assists at ES this year and 58.06 xG% (playing with a great puck possession center) while being deployed in the ozone 48% of the time. To put that in perspective, Krejci had 24 ES points, Craig Smith had 25 and David Pastrnak had 29. So he's a good 5 on 5 scorer for sure. He also played some pretty stiff defensive competition and did really well against them. I really like this player and think he could do well here, especially if they move Debrusk and play him on Coyle's left and Coyle returns to form (lots of ifs). Even so, he would really help this team on the forecheck and lengthen their forward depth significantly. He's also an excellent PK player so that would also help.
It's just hard to feel good about giving him $6m a year. He feels like a $4.5m a year player and he definitely doesn't feel like a $6m player at age 33. I see maybe 10% chance that contract doesn't get bought out.
He had 9 goals and 14 assists at ES this year and 58.06 xG% (playing with a great puck possession center) while being deployed in the ozone 48% of the time. To put that in perspective, Krejci had 24 ES points, Craig Smith had 25 and David Pastrnak had 29. So he's a good 5 on 5 scorer for sure. He also played some pretty stiff defensive competition and did really well against them. I really like this player and think he could do well here, especially if they move Debrusk and play him on Coyle's left and Coyle returns to form (lots of ifs). Even so, he would really help this team on the forecheck and lengthen their forward depth significantly. He's also an excellent PK player so that would also help.
It's just hard to feel good about giving him $6m a year. He feels like a $4.5m a year player and he definitely doesn't feel like a $6m player at age 33. I see maybe 10% chance that contract doesn't get bought out.
Wonder if the non-QO about face is tied to Coleman. They basically took the money headed to Ritchie and Kase and re-directed it to Coleman? Roughly the same dollar amount. Also, this would bring DeBrusk's status back into question. Do they move him, or shift him to RW permanently? I suppose Coleman has played C too so they could put him there and kick Coyle to RW.
I think he'd be a huge upgrade in the short term, but obviously a 6-year deal is fraught with risk. Most of the beat writers seem to be writing it off as once the contract becomes an albatross, they'll be in a painful rebuild anyways. Not sure I totally agree with that line of thinking. We're likely headed towards a painful rebuild, but they do at least have cornerstone players in McAvoy and Pastrnak. I wouldn't want to completely hamstring some of their prime years for a 1-2 year run with the Bergeron core.
I think he'd be a huge upgrade in the short term, but obviously a 6-year deal is fraught with risk. Most of the beat writers seem to be writing it off as once the contract becomes an albatross, they'll be in a painful rebuild anyways. Not sure I totally agree with that line of thinking. We're likely headed towards a painful rebuild, but they do at least have cornerstone players in McAvoy and Pastrnak. I wouldn't want to completely hamstring some of their prime years for a 1-2 year run with the Bergeron core.
That is what frustrates me about the narrative. He's a good player but does Blake Coleman win you a cup? I don't think so. I can understand resigning yourself to cap hell if you're bringing someone Chris Pronger in his prime to give Bergeron one more shot at a cup, but this is Blake Coleman. You can bolster the roster AND not destroy your future when you're talking about complimentary players.
Some people keep asking "What is the plan?" (@FL4WL3SS)
Maybe this is it. Maybe the team is continually selling out the future looking for one last cup before Bergeron/Marchand/Rask are done. Everyone knows that day isn't that far away. Maybe the plan isn't to have a long term plan, but to just...do what they can now to try and win and not worry about how bad they are when they're inevitably bad?
Maybe this is it. Maybe the team is continually selling out the future looking for one last cup before Bergeron/Marchand/Rask are done. Everyone knows that day isn't that far away. Maybe the plan isn't to have a long term plan, but to just...do what they can now to try and win and not worry about how bad they are when they're inevitably bad?
Yeah, I'd rather go nuts on a contract for Hamilton than overpay for a role player (as good as Coleman is).
Sure, but Hamilton has shown zero interest in being a Bruin. Maybe Coleman is one of the few players who fit what the Bruins are looking for that would actually choose the Bruins over other options.
Jack Fraser launched a new contract projection tool yesterday so I put the rumored Coleman contract into it and well, its not great. The Bruins would get minor surplus value next year, even value the year after and then negative value the last 3 years. So that's fun.
Even if not this year, I'd rather wait another year or two when there are some potential guys who are game-changers. I don't want to waste cap on a guy like Coleman if you can make a run at Barkov next year to be Bergeron/Krejci replacement. Maybe that's just wishcasting and he goes the Landeskog route and re-signs, but I want space available for those guys. The mid-level deals for guys who are going to be 3rd-liners or bottom-pair D by the end of a contract are the ones that kill teams, and Sweeney has done well to get the Bruins out of those situations in the past couple years, but I'd prefer to not get back into new ones.
On the D front, wonder if Zadorov from Chicago interests the Bruins at all. I don't know a ton about him. He's 6'6" LHD that plays a mostly defensive game. He's 26 years old, pending RFA that was qualified by Chicago. Seems like a lefty Carlo. His qualifying number is $3.2 million. Chicago is basically at the cap and is also reportedly signing Jake McCabe. Seems Zadorov could be on the move. I haven't seen any indication the Bruins are interested, but given the dearth of LHD I would assume they check in.
I haven't seen him mentioned in this thread (unless search failed me) but what about kicking the tires on Jake McCabe? Kirk Luedeke mentioned him to me on Twitter this weekend and he seems like a good fit who will likely not break the bank. He had the knee injury last season and might not be a full go at the beginning of the year but he seems to fit what they are looking for in terms of a LD who is well-rounded both defensively and offensively. Could be a good option to pair with Carlo.
20 minutes before the bell opens, though the bell rang a while ago.
My prediction is Goligoski/Edler, Holtby and a depth F.
My prediction is Goligoski/Edler, Holtby and a depth F.
LeBrun confirms Coleman to CGY.
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So we're here:
Marchand - Bergy - Pasta
Hall - Krejci - Smith
Debrusk - Coyle - ???
Frederic - Lazar - Wagner
Gryz - McAvoy
Reily - Carlo
Forbert - Clifton
Swayman
Vladar
It doesn't feel nearly good enough.
Marchand - Bergy - Pasta
Hall - Krejci - Smith
Debrusk - Coyle - ???
Frederic - Lazar - Wagner
Gryz - McAvoy
Reily - Carlo
Forbert - Clifton
Swayman
Vladar
It doesn't feel nearly good enough.
Might want to wake Sweeney up and tell him he can start adding meaningful players to this roster.
The goalie pool is running low. Dubnyk, Ullmark and otherwise guys on the way out like Koskinen and Bishop (assuming he's even healthy).
Don't want to kill them just yet, but yeah. Running it back with some tinkering on the margins isn't going to get the job done.