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A little strange for Sweeney to about-face after publicly saying they'd be qualified. My only guess is they were trying to trade them and didn't want to tip their hands.

I'm bummed about Kase. Holding out hope they can bring him back at a lower number. So much potential there, just really bad luck. In any event, at the very least I hope he get get and stay healthy.
 

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I'd hope given Getzlaf's output last year they're looking at him purely as a 4th line center / vet presence / 2nd PP type of guy with an incentive-laden 1 year deal. If it's multi-year I may need to find a bridge
 

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Getzlaf is so old he played for the Mighty Ducks, and his scoring output took a precipitous dive this past season.

Wrecking Ball was old as dirt when the Bruins traded for him, but he was still amazingly a 60 point player at the time. If you had asked me about Getzlaf 10 minutes ago, I'd likely have said there is no way he isn't already retired.
 

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I'm so happy Ritchie is gone. So so happy.
I don't remember disliking a player as much as I disliked Ritchie. I'm happy to see him go. I think he would have gotten $3m+ in arb and he's not even close to worth that. He scored 7 goals because Marchand knew he could bank it off his ass and it would end up in the net.
 

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He reminds me of Lucic, but only those times Lucic had a lower body injury and could barely move.
 

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Snapshot heading into silly season tomorrow:

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Hall - XXXX - Smith
DeBrusk - Coyle - Kuhlman
Frederic - Lazar - Wagner
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Grzelyck - McAvoy
Zboril - Carlo
XXXX - Clifton

That roster leaves us with $20 million to spend. That includes no goalies. A Vladar/Swayman tandem would cost $1.675 million AAV which drops the available cap space to $18.325 million.

Needs: 2C, RW3, 2 LHD, G

2C needs to be Krejci or similar, so a pricey starting point. There were rumors yesterday that the Bruins would run to Getzlaf at the opening bell, but it's unclear how he would fit and what role they envision for him. Krejci replacement or depth? Hopefully the latter. Not qualifying Ritchie or Kase leaves a vacancy at 3RW. I also thinks it signals DeBrusk is staying.

The LHD options are drying up fairly quick. There really isn't a ton on the UFA market. They've been linked to Forbort who is more of a 3rd pairing guy. Sweeney made it sound like they've talked with Mike Reilly but he'll be going to market. I suspect they'll let him go. They were rumored to be in on Suter but they seem to be a long shot based on the recent reporting. The rest of the free agent market is made up of aging dudes like Alex Edler, Alex Goligoski and Keith Yandle. Blech. The only name on the trade market I can think of is Nate Schmidt. Guess we'll see what happens. It'll be a huge fail if all they do is Forbort and a depth piece.

Goalies, we'll see. Do they try to bring a vet in for the start of the season to compete with the kids, or are they comfortable turning the net over to the kids and bringing Rask in mid-season when he's healthy?
 

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Tough offseason to have a ton of cap space. There is nothing great to buy. I've said on this thread a couple of times that the timing couldn't be worse for a team who is aging, needs to replenish the core and only has cap space as an asset. Donny is going to need to be creative or this team will take a step back next year. Unfortunately, he hasn't really shown that in his tenure. Still scared.
 

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Tough offseason to have a ton of cap space. There is nothing great to buy. I've said on this thread a couple of times that the timing couldn't be worse for a team who is aging, needs to replenish the core and only has cap space as an asset. Donny is going to need to be creative or this team will take a step back next year. Unfortunately, he hasn't really shown that in his tenure. Still scared.
I say think big and offer sheet Elias Pettersson, get your #1 center of the future and massively improve your second and 3rd lines today

I know it will never happen for so many reasons, not the least of which is GM"s don't believe in offer sheets for some reason.
But it would be fun.
 

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I say think big and offer sheet Elias Pettersson, get your #1 center of the future and massively improve your second and 3rd lines today

I know it will never happen for so many reasons, not the least of which is GM"s don't believe in offer sheets for some reason.
But it would be fun.
Sweeney better lock up McAvoy right now before he does that.
 

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I say think big and offer sheet Elias Pettersson, get your #1 center of the future and massively improve your second and 3rd lines today

I know it will never happen for so many reasons, not the least of which is GM"s don't believe in offer sheets for some reason.
But it would be fun.
I would love this but I just cant see Sweeney and Neely doing that to Benning. It also wouldn't get you the player. They have enough space to match anything the Bruins could responsibly offer, it would just make it hard on them to sign Hughes and the other guys.
 

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Tough offseason to have a ton of cap space. There is nothing great to buy. I've said on this thread a couple of times that the timing couldn't be worse for a team who is aging, needs to replenish the core and only has cap space as an asset. Donny is going to need to be creative or this team will take a step back next year. Unfortunately, he hasn't really shown that in his tenure. Still scared.
Bingo.

And let's not forget that they are in this spot because of poor planning. It's not like they didn't see this coming, we've known for at least two seasons we would have a ton of cap space this off-season.
 

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If they extend McAvoy long term and replace Krejci with someone similarly priced, that'll be another 12m or so, leaving them with 6m. That's not a lot of cap space...
 

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Bingo.

And let's not forget that they are in this spot because of poor planning. It's not like they didn't see this coming, we've known for at least two seasons we would have a ton of cap space this off-season.
Devils advocate. What could they have done differently?
 

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Hmm, I thought they could buy out the last year of his current deal with a long term extension. That would have been nice to be able to do.
Nope, the CBA doesn't allow for that. For Example, Seth Jones's hideous albatross contract doesnt start until July 1 next year. Charlie will likely get a $3-$4m raise this summer or sometime next year but they have $40m in present day cap space for next year. Shouldn't be an issue. I'm just worried that they overextend for the wrong guys and suck up a lot of that space for next year trying to improve this year. Such a difficult balancing act.
 

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Nope, the CBA doesn't allow for that. For Example, Seth Jones's hideous albatross contract doesnt start until July 1 next year. Charlie will likely get a $3-$4m raise this summer or sometime next year but they have $40m in present day cap space for next year. Shouldn't be an issue. I'm just worried that they overextend for the wrong guys and suck up a lot of that space for next year trying to improve this year. Such a difficult balancing act.
The Krejci deal is going to be a barometer of this. So far Sweeney has been pretty good about not over extending to keep declining players. His contract whiffs have all been outside UFA signings. He dodge the Lucic bullet, resisted extending Eriksson, didn't extend Krug, went year to year with Chara. If there's one area he's earned full trust from me it's the evaluation and contracts of his own players.
 

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If Krejci is confirmed as returning, it makes me a bit more interested in Getzlaf as the 3C.

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Hall - Krejci - Coyle
DeBrusk - Getzlaf - Smith
Frederic - Lazar - Wagner

Is something the Bruins could go with. Hall and Krejci could get Coyle going. Getzlaf could be a good role model for DeBrusk, a la Recchi for Bergeron. The 4th line has some jam...

:shrugs:
 

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If Krejci is confirmed as returning, it makes me a bit more interested in Getzlaf as the 3C.

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Hall - Krejci - Coyle
DeBrusk - Getzlaf - Smith
Frederic - Lazar - Wagner

Is something the Bruins could go with. Hall and Krejci could get Coyle going. Getzlaf could be a good role model for DeBrusk, a la Recchi for Bergeron. The 4th line has some jam...

:shrugs:
Is Jack Studnicka not going to be in the plans as a center?
 

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Krejci, Getzlaf, and Bergeron aren't exactly spring chickens. I imagine Cassidy would do well to spell them throughout the season. And Lazar can certainly always be sent to the 9th floor if Studnicka is playing well enough to supplant him.
Yeah, I'm just wondering whether they would sign Getzlaf for 1 year, ship DeBrusk out, and plug Studnicka in at wing for this year. Then Jack could go back to center next year if he's proven himself at the NHL level enough.
 

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I mean, I'm not really sure what else they could have / should now do at goalie other than wait for the UFA window to open up and pick up an average vet on a 1 year deal.
 

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Not had every contract expiring at the same time. Drafted better. Developed a stronger prospect pool.

There's no contingency plan. Our only option is to run it back with the same team next year with open questions at goalie.
It's really just Rask and Krejci coming off and those contracts were signed under Chiarelli. I don't think they've drafted poorly. The weak prospect pool is the result of being good and picking low each year plus trading picks and prospects on an annual basis for immediate help.

Let's see where they are after tomorrow. Holding on to cap space isn't the worst thing in the world. At this point, there hasn't been a single transaction made that I've wished the Bruins would've gotten in on and done themselves.
 

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Ive hated that fourth line for the last two years and the bottom six this last year as a whole was atrocious so I'm open minded about changes. I just struggle to see where Getzlaf fits. He's a long time favorite of mine though so it would be fun to see him in the mix ala Staal on Montreal's fourth line. I just think they need a PK matchup guy with the way Cassidy uses that line and that's not Getzlaf at all.
 

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It's really just Rask and Krejci coming off and those contracts were signed under Chiarelli. I don't think they've drafted poorly. The weak prospect pool is the result of being good and picking low each year plus trading picks and prospects on an annual basis for immediate help.

Let's see where they are after tomorrow. Holding on to cap space isn't the worst thing in the world. At this point, there hasn't been a single transaction made that I've wished the Bruins would've gotten in on and done themselves.
This is all well and good. There's no fucking plan though!

What's the path to improvement and getting younger? Even if they are good next year, the wall is coming and I don't see a path out of a 5 year lull that's coming at them like a freight train.
 

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This is all well and good. There's no fucking plan though!

What's the path to improvement and getting younger? Even if they are good next year, the wall is coming and I don't see a path out of a 5 year lull that's coming at them like a freight train.
Actually, they did take a step forward on the getting younger front by trading for Hall, a player in his prime, and then resigning him. And locking up guys like Carlo and Pastrnak long term, and likely doing the same to McAvoy. They also developed Vladar and Swayman.

The only viable path to getting even younger is drafting well and hoping the youngsters develop. Tough to do from the bottom of the round all the time, and even tougher after trading for Rick Nash in an GFIN move that unfortunately didn't work out. And, yes, the infamous "pick 3" draft hurt them badly, but there is literally nothing that can be done about that now. The scouting staff has since been revamped anyway.
 

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The beat writers are chattering about Coleman on Twitter. Nothing solid but I've seen Conor Ryan and Matt Kalman just randomly start talking about how going for it with this core and Coleman is going for it.

I'm terrified. That is exactly what II'm worried Sweeney will do. I really like Blake Coleman. He is a 100% effort player every shift, he's great on the forecheck and is a reliable player by the eye test and analytics. He's also 30 yo, will require about $5m a year for at least 5 years and plays the same position at Taylor Hall and Brad Marchand. I'm not interested in a 2026 Bruins team trying to gain cap space by trading a 36 yo Blake Coleman's last year for a 1st round pick to Arizona.

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The beat writers are chattering about Coleman on Twitter. Nothing solid but I've seen Conor Ryan and Matt Kalman just randomly start talking about how going for it with this core and Coleman is going for it.

I'm terrified. That is exactly what II'm worried Sweeney will do. I really like Blake Coleman. He is a 100% effort player every shift, he's great on the forecheck and is a reliable player by the eye test and analytics. He's also 30 yo, will require about $5m a year for at least 5 years and plays the same position at Taylor Hall and Brad Marchand. I'm not interested in a 2026 Bruins team trying to gain cap space by trading a 36 yo Blake Coleman's last year for a 1st round pick to Arizona.

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Isn’t Coleman mostly a C?

I’d rather him than Getzlaf for the 3rd C.
 

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Isn’t Coleman mostly a C?

I’d rather him than Getzlaf for the 3rd C.
He's a LW. He can play his off wing as well so maybe they are thinking him for Krejci's RW. He's a hell of a forechecker and a good shooter, it's just that contract will not age well. Again.
 

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This is all well and good. There's no fucking plan though!

What's the path to improvement and getting younger? Even if they are good next year, the wall is coming and I don't see a path out of a 5 year lull that's coming at them like a freight train.
They sacrificed long term value to win while Bergeron/Marchand/Krejci/Tuukka's primes were overlapping McAvoy and Pasta's. I think they've been pretty transparent about that being the plan. It's usually impossible to get younger and better while staying one of the best teams in the league. Unless you're constantly ripping teams off or getting incredibly lucky. It's not going to be fun at all when Bergeron/Krejci are gone, there's really no avoiding that.
 

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He's a LW. He can play his off wing as well so maybe they are thinking him for Krejci's RW. He's a hell of a forechecker and a good shooter, it's just that contract will not age well. Again.
Looks like TB deployed him mostly as a wing - but he was a C his entire time in NJ.

So he can definitely play the position.
 

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Actually, they did take a step forward on the getting younger front by trading for Hall, a player in his prime, and then resigning him. And locking up guys like Carlo and Pastrnak long term, and likely doing the same to McAvoy. They also developed Vladar and Swayman.

The only viable path to getting even younger is drafting well and hoping the youngsters develop. Tough to do from the bottom of the round all the time, and even tougher after trading for Rick Nash in an GFIN move that unfortunately didn't work out. And, yes, the infamous "pick 3" draft hurt them badly, but there is literally nothing that can be done about that now. The scouting staff has since been revamped anyway.
If your "getting younger" scenario is trading for and signing a guy about to be in his 30s and resigning the few young guys already on your roster, then we haven't made much progress yeah?
 

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They sacrificed long term value to win while Bergeron/Marchand/Krejci/Tuukka's primes were overlapping McAvoy and Pasta's. I think they've been pretty transparent about that being the plan. It's usually impossible to get younger and better while staying one of the best teams in the league. Unless you're constantly ripping teams off or getting incredibly lucky. It's not going to be fun at all when Bergeron/Krejci are gone, there's really no avoiding that.
Completely fair take.
 

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The Bruins competition has not gotten better though. Tampa lost Gourde, Goodrow, and Coleman. The Islanders lost Eberle. Toronto and Florida haven't improved. Maybe New York gets Eichel.

Meanwhile, I think it is fair to say the Hall is the best forward to change teams since the beginning of the year. And he is signed on a team friendly deal. They still need a top 2 lefthanded defenseman but if they find one then they will have significantly improved since January 2021, especially compared to the competition.