Brooklyn Nets 2016-17 (the Year of the Swap)
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Marks should be able to either make some moves or add some good talent via free agency where one would think it wouldn't be anywhere close to as bad as it is this year. (I also hope this is a reverse jinx post.)
Ronde Hollis Jefferson for Jordan Clarkson makes sense along with actually trying to sign unrestricted free agents this year rather than throwing money at RFAs like Crabbe and Richardson.
Ronde Hollis Jefferson for Jordan Clarkson makes sense along with actually trying to sign unrestricted free agents this year rather than throwing money at RFAs like Crabbe and Richardson.
They would have to completely strike out in free agency again this year, which is possible but not likely. Add Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe and Donatas Montiejunas to this year's team and they'd be a little better. Going after free agents is always a gamble but there will be a lot less money floating around this offseason which puts them in a better position relative to last offseason.
Rumor is they will offer a max deal to Otto Porter, who is having something of a breakout season with the Wizards.
I don't think the Nets will be the only team willing to offer that to Porter. Which will in turn allow Washington to match it and not take it into their cap space. However, their luxury tax will be off the charts, which will keep them from making any other moves. So we are looking at Washington's roster for the foreseeable future as it is today unless they make the stupid moving thinking Beal and Wall can't win together.
There's also the real chance they move on from Brook Lopez this summer which could offset any FA moves they make.
As was already said, Porter will get max offers from teams that aren't awful with no prospect of being anything other than awful. The Nets aren't signing anyone without badly overpaying. Why would any player agree to play on a terrible team with no young talent, no draft pick this year or next, and sky high tax rates unless there is no other team willing to offer a close to comparable deal. It's hard to add much talent in FA when you have to overpay to attract talent, because that basically takes you out of the running for the only players that can actually improve your team.
As usual, I expect most if not all RFAs to stay with their current team. This puts a huge damper on their FA hopes because a bunch of teams can offer some money and nobody wants to play for the worst team in the league if they can help it.
Mentioned this in another thread but isn't James Young exactly the kind of guy the Nets should be throwing money at?
Will there be a need for anyone to throw money at James Young. I agree they should sign him.
Yeah, the Celtics declining exercise his 2.8 million option is a good indication of where his market was at prior to this season. Since then he has racked up DNPs in nearly 2/3rds of his games. I don't think a couple of non-terrible games since Brown went down are going to move the needle much. Him getting utterly lost in his crunch time defensive substitution last night didn't inspire much confidence. He's lucky Smart bailed him out on that play, but I imagine he'll be back to the DNPs once Brown and Bradley are back.
He's still only 21, so maybe some team gives him a shot, but he's a long shot to become a rotation player in the NBA. I could totally see him lighting it up in Turkey though. Gunners' gonna gun.
He's still only 21, so maybe some team gives him a shot, but he's a long shot to become a rotation player in the NBA. I could totally see him lighting it up in Turkey though. Gunners' gonna gun.
Which play are you referring to? The last two plays he was sitting in a corner not doing anything (though he did come up with the loose ball on Smart's steal - and almost threw it away).
That same play. He loses his man (Portis), but Butler doesn't get it to him while he's wide open for a corner three. Horford realizes Portis is open and starts to flash out away from Gibson in the post, but Young scrambles to recover. Here it is, keep an eye on Young at the beginning of the video, he starts to pick up Portis, but then turns his head and looks around as if he's unsure of his assignment before he makes his way back to Portis. The hesitation leaves Portis open.
If Butler swings that to Portis (#5) immediately, either Portis has a wide open look at the corner three, or Horford comes to contest, leaving Gibson open under the hoop.
I'm not sure I see it the same way as you. Here's a link with a longer video: http://www.scoopnest.com/user/NBAonTNT/832428138877423617. It's the longest I can find.
I don't remember for sure, but it looks like there's a scramble going on because Crowder (think it was Crowder) is running up the right sideline late into the action. There's action with Butler dribbling the ball; up to the 3 point arc. Olynyk ends up on McDermott, which can't be his initial assignment. Young looks for the open man and finds Portis.
If you pause the video at 0:00, you will see five Bulls and four Cs, and if you pause it at 0:01, you will see Crowder running up the sideline. Grant is wide open in the corner. And yes at 0:03, Portis is wide open in the opposite corner but Young is already making a move to him, so by 0:04, Gibson is coming up for the ill-fated PnR.
Not sure I pin this one on Young.
I didn't realize Jae was so far down the court, that at least explains why Young turned around, but I still think it's a mistake for him to stop his initial pursuit of Portis. Even if he senses Grant open on the other corner, Young himself is cutting off that passing lane while he moves across court towrds Portis, and a player with more experience or better instincts trusts Crowder to fill in back down the same sideline he was running up. It's definitely not as egregious as I remember it live, so I'm probably being too tough on him. In the interest of full disclosure, through past conditioning I may be inclined to seeing James Young as a chicken running around with his head cut off when he's merely making hesitant reads in broken plays.
He needs minutes if he's going to figure it out, but he's not going to get them on a healthy, halfway decent team. If the Nets want to throw some money at him to get buckets, I'd be happy for him, and for 2018 Doncic/Porter/Ayton sweepstakes.
He needs minutes if he's going to figure it out, but he's not going to get them on a healthy, halfway decent team. If the Nets want to throw some money at him to get buckets, I'd be happy for him, and for 2018 Doncic/Porter/Ayton sweepstakes.
Jaylen Brown actually has more career minutes played than James Young. Young definitely needs a new home.
Lin is back, but the Nets are down 26 after three in Denver. Can't wait to start that 2018 thread.
officially eliminated from the playoffs. Won 2 of their last 4 though and only 8 behind the Lakers with 20 to play! Suns have won 3 in a row and have a 2 game edge on the Lakers who have lost 7 straight. top 2 looks settled, the 3rd spot could be up for grabs if the Suns continue to win.
Anyone worried the lakers could catch them? Lol. Lakers tanking at an insane rate while the nets are winning a couple games here and there. Down to 6 games
The Nets would need to win 7 of 15 down the stretch to simply catch the Lakers current win total. At their current pace, you'd expect them to win 3. It's hard to see that happening.
Their schedule, at least, has been considerably better. Two wins against a truly lifeless Knicks team that waited too long to begin tanking in earnest (not that I'm complaining).
I thought this thread was locked in early January?
Lakers would have to lose out (15 in a row) and the Nets win 7 of 15 just to tie......and they finish with 4 of 5 on the road. Not worried.
Lakers would have to lose out (15 in a row) and the Nets win 7 of 15 just to tie......and they finish with 4 of 5 on the road. Not worried.
Yeah, that's what I think too when I do the math, but don't look now ... 8 of their last 15 games are at home (okay, about a wash), only 3 of those games are against teams with records over .500, they've won four of their last nine, the Lakers appear to be going into Tankathon mode ... the Nets could make this close. It would help if the Celtics take care of business in their two meetings with the Nets.
When Lin is in the lineup the Nets are not an awful team. They are still a bad team......but not the completely awful one they are without him. Watch my binkie LeVert as he learns this NBA game......kid was a steal where he was drafted. If it weren't for his foot injuries this was a low lottery pick.
Lakers schedule:
Milwaukee/H, Cleveland/H, Clippers/H, Minnesota/H, Portland/H, Washington/H, Minnesota/@, Clippers/@, Memphis/H, San Antonio/@, Sacramento/H, Minnesota/H, New Orleans/H, Golden State/@
Nets schedule:
Boston/H, Dallas/H, Detroit/H, Phoenix/H, Washington/@(2nd of b2b), Atlanta/@, Philadelphia/H, Detroit/@, Orlando/H, Atlanta/H(2nd of b2b), Philadelphia/@, Orlando/@, Chicago/H, Boston/@, Chicago/@.
You have to hope the Nets start this finish 2-4 (then they would be 15-58) at best. Then there´ll be four easier games, only Atlanta fights for something. I´m not saying they beat them, but those are winnable games. And the last week is the same crap with only Boston as a stable team. Wade is out and the Bulls could implode (or did already 7 weeks ago). I doubt they go 10-5 (LOL), but if the Lakers go 1-13, this could get close.
I say the Nets finish 17-65 and the Lakers 21-61.
Milwaukee/H, Cleveland/H, Clippers/H, Minnesota/H, Portland/H, Washington/H, Minnesota/@, Clippers/@, Memphis/H, San Antonio/@, Sacramento/H, Minnesota/H, New Orleans/H, Golden State/@
Nets schedule:
Boston/H, Dallas/H, Detroit/H, Phoenix/H, Washington/@(2nd of b2b), Atlanta/@, Philadelphia/H, Detroit/@, Orlando/H, Atlanta/H(2nd of b2b), Philadelphia/@, Orlando/@, Chicago/H, Boston/@, Chicago/@.
You have to hope the Nets start this finish 2-4 (then they would be 15-58) at best. Then there´ll be four easier games, only Atlanta fights for something. I´m not saying they beat them, but those are winnable games. And the last week is the same crap with only Boston as a stable team. Wade is out and the Bulls could implode (or did already 7 weeks ago). I doubt they go 10-5 (LOL), but if the Lakers go 1-13, this could get close.
I say the Nets finish 17-65 and the Lakers 21-61.
Fortunately, LA is 7 games ahead of Brooklyn in the all-important wins column. (Once you have a win, there's no do-over). The Nets have 14 games left to play. If LA loses all of its remaining games, Brooklyn would have to play .500 ball to catch them. Their upcoming schedule has a lot of cupcakes, but it seems very unlikely that they can achieve .500 over 14 games.
The Nets have not won twobasketball games in a row all year long folks. No chance they play 500 ball
I loved both of the Big Z's and was a proponent for us drafting them both. Their size and career paths are similar at a young age although Zizic has better ball skills so watching Zubac play this year combined with Zizic's meteoric rise from last winter can give us a real good idea of what to expect out of Zizic next season. I feel he's an immediate rotation contributor for us in '17-'18 with the potential to be so much more by seasons end and beyond. He has excellent mechanics from the FT line to develop as a perimeter shooter/high post facilitator in the Horford mold too.
I think even more relevant than Lin is that almost the entire Brooklyn team is playing for a contract, including several who spent significant portions of this season riding someone's bench. Much less wear and tear than any opponent.
At the end of the day this is all basically just the basketball version of the patented A-Rod homer with the game already decided.
At the end of the day this is all basically just the basketball version of the patented A-Rod homer with the game already decided.
Lakers have three against Minnesota and one each against New Orleans and Sacramento. Much more probable that they grab at least one or two. They just almost beat Cleveland.
The Lakers have 5 winnable games. They'll probably win one or two of them, which makes Brooklyn's whole enterprise here largely irrelevant unless they play like .750 ball the rest of the way.
Phoenix is the worst team left on their schedule by the way.
I watched this game start to finish. The Cavs rested for 50% of the game......whenever they were on the defensive end. The Lakers have several winnable games I expect them to get 2 or 3 more.
The lakers won't win again this season. Nets have won more in the last two weeks than I expected all year. It's gonna be more interesting than I expected
