Brandon Browner is a New England Patriot

[Ed Hillel]

This is his cap hit per Loyko.  Not sure if this is correct or not.
 

 
Hmmm...
 
There appears to be a discrepancy between Lyoko and Reiss. I think Loyko is getting the 3.15 from the base (1 million), plus the offseason and roster bonuses (.75), plus the playtime incentives (1.25), but then only counting the 150k bonus once, rather than once per game. If he can play a max of 12 games, it would be 3 million plus (150k X 12), which is 1.8 million, so 4.8 total. Even if we are assuming the base gets prorated for 75% of the season because of the suspension, the max cap hit would still be 4.55 million. My inclination is that the cap hit will still have to get counted against the Pats for the 4 additional games that Browner can't be paid, but even if we assume they don't, it would cut the max hit down to 4.55 million minus (an additional 25% base and 25% per game, which is .85 million total). So I'd still get a max of 3.7 million. The 3.15 max doesn't make sense to me in any calculation, unless he's just counting that 150k bonus once, instead of once per game. Or maybe Reiss has the numbers wrong.

 

[Stitch01]

Id be surprised if all of his playtime incentives and per game incentives were LTBE incentives that count against this years cap given he played 8 games last season.
 
I counted 750K base (for ease of math, should be 12/17 rather than 3/4)+$750K offseason and roster bonuses+$1.2MM of LTBE playing time incentives for 8 games, then make an assumption around the rest of the PT bonuses being LTBE to get to around $3MM.  Possible some of that is tweaked by rules around suspensions

 

[Ed Hillel]

Id be surprised if all of his playtime incentives and per game incentives were LTBE incentives that count against this years cap given he played 8 games last season

 
Man, the LTBE stuff seems messy for per game bonuses. I understand the general concept, but I don't know how someone would determine if this would be LTBE, or who the arbiter of that is, how many games would count, etc. If it does end up getting earned, I assume it counts either against the remaining money under the cap or transfers onto next year's? I don't know, let's just go with the 3.15. Maybe Lyoko spoke with someone in the org who flat out told him the max hit was 3.15.

 

[Stitch01]

I think there is a literal arbiter if there is a dispute.  3.15 seems like a good best guess to me unless we hear something more concrete.  Hopefully Miguel comments on it.
 
Pats used to have a way to use NLTBE's to roll cap space forward before the change in the CBA allowed rolling unused cap space.

 

[Stitch01]

Miguel has Browner on at $2.95MM with $1.2MM in LTBE incentives (I think $150K/game*8) and the rest of the $1.25MM in incentives as still unknown

 

[Reverend]

Probably similar to Oz/ Steve Smith meeting. Wounded souls need save football havens. When they find one, they are exhilarated. Example -- Randy Moss 07

 
Is he a wounded soul? Do you mean the CFL or drug suspensions or is there something else? Tell me more.

 

[dcmissle]

Well it's fair to say he isn't where he's like to be, beginning the season with a four-game suspension. So we're looking at 12 games to flip the trajectory of his career. You don't want to be playing with bottom feeders in these circumstances. There isn't a better place to be than New England, where they take football very seriously, will use him in a way to highlight his strengths, maybe win a SB along the way. He can be a vital cog here as Moss was and as Smith may be in Baltimore.

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

I'm just looking forward to screaming "NOW WITNESS THE POWER OF THIS FULLY OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION!" in the Week 5 gamethread.

 

[ivanvamp]

I'm just looking forward to screaming "NOW WITNESS THE POWER OF THIS FULLY OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION!" in the Week 5 gamethread.

 
Well, hopefully by then, the Pats don't have five starters on IR.  I can't remember the last year they were reasonably healthy.

 

[JMDurron]

I'm just looking forward to screaming "NOW WITNESS THE POWER OF THIS FULLY OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION!" in the Week 5 gamethread.

 
This depends greatly on Gronk's timeline.  I like the idea of referring to Brady as "Commander", though.  

 

[DJnVa]

I'm just looking forward to screaming "NOW WITNESS THE POWER OF THIS FULLY OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION!" in the Week 5 gamethread.

 
At least get the quote right, geez.
 

 

[BigJimEd]

 
Man, the LTBE stuff seems messy for per game bonuses. I understand the general concept, but I don't know how someone would determine if this would be LTBE, or who the arbiter of that is, how many games would count, etc. If it does end up getting earned, I assume it counts either against the remaining money under the cap or transfers onto next year's? I don't know, let's just go with the 3.15. Maybe Lyoko spoke with someone in the org who flat out told him the max hit was 3.15.

I believe they are based strictly on the prior season. If the incentive would have been reached the previous season than it is LTBE if not than it is NLTBE. Pretty black and white that way.
So in Browner's case that is where Miguel and others get the 8 games as LTBE,
 
 
All teams start at the same NFL cap but then adjustments are made which is why teams have different cap numbers. Any amount a team was under the previous season is added to that cap number increasing the amount they can spend. Any LTBE incentives that weren't reached are also added. Any NLTBE incentives that were paid out are subtracted from the amount they can spend.

 

[Valek123]

 
At least get the quote right, geez.
 

 
I don't like the Death star references as they lead to Brady IMO: "Lando leads Wedge Antilles and his fighter group into the bowels of the Death Star where they fire at the main reactor, causing its collapse."  The last time I saw these references were in 2008.  NO MAS!!
 
/end star wars rant

 

[DJnVa]

In this universe, the "bad guys" win.

 

[Ed Hillel]

I believe they are based strictly on the prior season. If the incentive would have been reached the previous season than it is LTBE if not than it is NLTBE. Pretty black and white that way.
So in Browner's case that is where Miguel and others get the 8 games as LTBE,
 
 
All teams start at the same NFL cap but then adjustments are made which is why teams have different cap numbers. Any amount a team was under the previous season is added to that cap number increasing the amount they can spend. Any LTBE incentives that weren't reached are also added. Any NLTBE incentives that were paid out are subtracted from the amount they can spend.

 
Got it. So the 2.95 million comes from the base and salary (1.75) plus the 8 game bonuses (1.2). That is fairly simple, actually.
 
Thanks for being patient with me on this stuff. There are a lot of little things you need to know to put the bigger picture together.

 

[Stitch01]

Yeah, Miguel has the $1.25MM of other incentives as still unknown.  Possible some of those count against the cap as LTBE's, but fairly unlikely most do given Browner's PT last year.

 

[JMDurron]

It's "firepower", not "power."

 

[mpx42]

Read Miguel's newest update for all the final breakdowns of the incentives - man this is a fantastically reasonable deal.

http://www.patscap.com/browner.html#browner