Brady is back….back again

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Apologies for my snarky post as I did not realize the new thread was in the media forum. I rarely view the board by visiting each forum (I just click on new posts 99% of the time) and didn't realize it. Folks were also discussing it in the Gronk thread, so it was being discussed in three places at once which seemed overboard.

Anyway, mea culpa on the snark / unhelpfulness.
 
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Apologies for my snarky post as I did not realize the new thread was in the media forum. I rarely view the board by visiting each forum (I just click on new posts 99% of the time) and didn't realize it. Folks were also discussing it in the Gronk thread, so it was being discussed in three places at once which seemed overboard.

Anyway, mea culpa on the snark / unhelpfulness.
I had no problem at all with your post and didn't even think it was snarky actually. It just took me a few minutes to find the thread you referenced so I figured I would try to be helpful for anybody else looking for it.
 

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I’m trying to imagine walking down the street and seeing Tom Brady ride by on a bike. I don’t think I’d believe it even if I saw it with my own eyes. My mind would just tell me it’s another dude that just looks like TB.
 

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This is all very confusing - https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34025420/tampa-bay-buccaneers-qb-tom-brady-says-felt-pressure-end-retirement-due-free-agency

Speaking publicly for the first time since ending his NFL retirement after 40 days, Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Tom Brady said Wednesday that he felt pressure to end his retirement because of free agency, and that his key reasons for his indecision stemmed from commitments to his family.

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"It's not that I'm not 100% committed, it's just as soon as I make the commitment to do it, it's like 'Ugh. All right, here we go.' It's like running a marathon. You can't decide two weeks before the marathon, 'Hey, I'm going to start running.' We got right to free agency and I felt some pressure to do it and talked to the team and organization, and it all worked out."

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Brady is under contract with the Buccaneers through the 2022 season, after which he'll be set to become an unrestricted free agent. He has not spoken about his future beyond the 2022 season.
So is Brady saying that NFL players wanted him to come back in 2023 as a free agent (after the 2022 season with the Bucs) so as to set some insane bar for a 1-2 year deal? This seems so uniquely impossible to use a standard.
 

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This is all very confusing - https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34025420/tampa-bay-buccaneers-qb-tom-brady-says-felt-pressure-end-retirement-due-free-agency



So is Brady saying that NFL players wanted him to come back in 2023 as a free agent (after the 2022 season with the Bucs) so as to set some insane bar for a 1-2 year deal? This seems so uniquely impossible to use a standard.
I think he meant players wanted to know if he was coming back before they make their FA decisions. If Brady is still "retired" at the start of free agency, Tampa isn't nearly as interesting a destination.
 

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I think he meant players wanted to know if he was coming back before they make their FA decisions. If Brady is still "retired" at the start of free agency, Tampa isn't nearly as interesting a destination.
What that tells me is that other players didn't really believe that Brady was fully retired. There has to be a lot more chatter amongst teammates and across teams amongst the star players (and their agents) - we only see what the players want us to.
 

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Dave Hyde: Sean Payton was offered mega-deal by Dolphins, Tom Brady doesn’t deny interest — what could have been

Tom Brady is the Keeper of the Secret, the holder of the mystery, the quarterback legend with the answer to how close he and other top names were to big bags of Miami Dolphins money this offseason.

How big? Sean Payton was to be paid $100 million over five years as Dolphins coach, a league source said, with the idea of making him the highest-paid NFL coach after New England’s Bill Belichick.

Brady became the first on Thursday to be asked publicly about his Dolphins dalliance. This was after minicamp practice in Tampa Bay, and he gave a gentleman’s confirmation by not denying the report and a veteran’s two-step by not adding to it.

“I had a lot of conversations about a lot of people , as I’ve had for the last three-four years in my career about different opportunities while I’ve been playing playing football,’’ Brady said. “I kind of made a decision about what I‘d like to do.

“I think, for me, the most important thing is where I’m at now, and what I hope to do. That’s been my commitment to this team, this organization.”

“Last question,’’ the Tampa Bay media-relations employee immediately said to reporters, ready to shut this down before it went anywhere further.


It was all coming together by late January to the point other assistants were calling football friends in South Florida, asking practical matters of moving here like where they should live.

“Rent or buy? This side of [State Road 84] or that side?’’ another league source said were questions the assistants asked.

One assistant who was to be hired said, “It was pretty much done for us to come.”

The Dolphins had plans to compensate Payton’s and Brady’s former teams. Would a first-round pick satisfy New Orleans for Payton, who was still under contract? A second-round pick to Tampa Bay? That was the idea.
 

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I’ll be honest, Brady has earned the right to do whatever he wants but owning or playing for the Dolphins would have been a very difficult pill to swallow.
 

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I’ll be honest, Brady has earned the right to do whatever he wants but owning or playing for the Dolphins would have been a very difficult pill to swallow.
When I die, Tom Brady's picture will be on my headstone. With that said, if he played for the Dolphins, the headstone order would have been canceled. There would be no worse team for him to join.
 

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When I die, Tom Brady's picture will be on my headstone. With that said, if he played for the Dolphins, the headstone order would have been canceled. There would be no worse team for him to join.
Colts would be worse. Ravens or Steelers too.
But Miami would have been tough, sure.
 

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Steelers would certainly worse and they actually need a QB. Giants would be worse

Jets would be hysterical
 

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Colts would be worse. Ravens or Steelers too.
But Miami would have been tough, sure.
Miami is in the division. And they suck as a franchise and their stupid champagne toasts are the lamest thing going. The Bills wouldn't be great, but Brady dominated them, so it would also be funny. The Jets wouldn't be possible, so it's not worth thinking about.

Miami, to me, would be the worst. I wouldn't throw a party over Baltimore, for sure, but I wouldn't be bothered by the Steelers. Same thing, Brady dominated them. And neither is in the division. And the Colts would be amazing, they would immediately hang a banner, "Tom Brady Is The QB."
 

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Miami is in the division. And they suck as a franchise and their stupid champagne toasts are the lamest thing going. The Bills wouldn't be great, but Brady dominated them, so it would also be funny. The Jets wouldn't be possible, so it's not worth thinking about.

Miami, to me, would be the worst. I wouldn't throw a party over Baltimore, for sure, but I wouldn't be bothered by the Steelers. Same thing, Brady dominated them. And neither is in the division. And the Colts would be amazing, they would immediately hang a banner, "Tom Brady Is The QB."
100%. It is largely forgotten now due to the fact that Miami has largely sucked for three decades (though they have held their own head to head with the Pats), but the Dolphins owned the Pats for 2+ decades and so fuck this franchise. I love Tom Brady and he can largely do no wrong in my eyes, but it would have wounded me supremely if he ever played a game in a Dolphin uniform.
 

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I would have ordered my #12 Dolphins jersey the day it was announced he was their new QB. Along with a matching dolphins #12 doggy jersey for Brady the pup. My Brady fandom supersedes all my other fandoms and I make no apologies for it.
 

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Seriously? I mean, more power to you.

but DAYUM. I used to think “I love Tom Brady as much as the next guy” but clearly that was wrong.
 

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Seriously? I mean, more power to you.

but DAYUM. I used to think “I love Tom Brady as much as the next guy” but clearly that was wrong.
Haha yup. I’m the next guy.

But I’ve always gotten attached to players over the years and followed their teams almost as much as the home town. With Brady it’s just a little more intense given how much joy following his career has brought me going on 20+ years.
 

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Tom Brady can go wherever he wants, and I don't care. I'll still love him.
 

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Seriously? I mean, more power to you.

but DAYUM. I used to think “I love Tom Brady as much as the next guy” but clearly that was wrong.
I've always been a Red Sox, Patriots, Bruins, Celtics fan; also a fan of a number of players while they played on any of those four teams, it comes with the territory.

Once they leave here, that's that.

Never hated any ex player who went to a team I did not like, they're free to do what they want and go where they want, never followed an ex player who went elsewhere no matter what team they landed on.

Again; once they are gone, that's that.

Much like ex girlfriends.

But yeah; others apparently feel differently.

For those who want to root for a player once he leaves here, it should not matter what team he goes to; if you're a fan of that player, then follow him wherever he goes.

Pick a position and stick to it, there should be no caveats.

Like my nitwit cousin or the Father of a friend of mine, two fanboy Brady honks who no longer follow the Patriots and are now Tampa Bay Bucs fans.

I guess I'll have to learn to live with the disappointment that they are no longer Patriots fans.
 

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For those who want to root for a player once he leaves here, it should not matter what team he goes to; if you're a fan of that player, then follow him wherever he goes.

Pick a position and stick to it, there should be no caveats.
Lol, wut? Fans can, and in fact do, react differently when different caliber of players leave and (shock) it does depend on where they go. I don't know anyone who started following the Dodgers once Nick Punto left, but I know many Red Sox fans who, like me, still like to see Mookie Betts do well given the caliber of player (and person) he was while here, as well as for his role in 2018. Also, I hated to see Mo Vaughn leave but when he did I wanted to see him do well with the Angels, but Wade Boggs was dead to me the second he signed with the MFYs.

I don't think it should be that hard to wrap your head around why many Patriot fans who generally don't care that much when players leave might feel differently about Tom Brady. I will never not be a Patriots fan, but I'll always love Tom Brady and there is nothing he could do (short of awful, criminal stuff) that could ever cause me not to love him. Since he went to a team that I couldn't give two shits about, I find it pretty easy to continue to root for him so long as he's not playing against the Patriots. If he had gone to a division rival I would still love him, but it would have hurt a little, and I could not have continued to root for him and would have been hoping for him to move on or retire.

I respect the fact that you don't care once they are gone, but your "pick a position and stick to it" thing is silly.
 
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Lol, wut? Fans can, and in fact do, react differently when different caliber of players leave and (shock) it does depend on where they go. I don't know anyone who started following the Dodgers once Nick Punto left, but I know many Red Sox fans who, like me, still like to see Mookie Betts do well given the caliber of player (and person) he was while here, as well as for his role in 2018. Also, I hated to see Mo Vaughn leave but when he did I wanted to see him do well with the Angels, but Wade Boggs was dead to me the second he signed with the MFYs.

I don't think it should be that hard to wrap your head around why many Patriot fans who generally don't care that much when players leave might feel differently about Tom Brady. I will never not be a Patriots fan, but I'll always love Tom Brady and there is nothing he could do (short of awful, criminal stuff) that could ever cause me not to love him. Since he went to a team that I couldn't give two shits about, I find it pretty easy to continue to root for him so long as he's not playing against the Patriots. If he had gone to a division rival I would still love him, but it would have hurt a little, and I could not have continued to root for him and would have been hoping for him to move on or retire.

I respect the fact that you don't care once they are gone, but your "pick a position and stick to it" thing is silly.
Understood.

I respect your opinion, you are free to root for any player who leaves here "unless he ends up on team X."

In this thread we already have a member who would root for him if he ended up on Miami.

That's some unconditional love right there, no caveats for him, that's for sure.

I appreciate what Brady did here, but he did not want to be here anymore, nor did Belichick want him here, a mutual parting of the ways as it were.

We have Brady's replacement, he went to Tampa and won a Super Bowl, a win/win for both him and the Patriots.

Time to turn the page and move on to a new era, Mac is my quarterback and I'm happy about how things turned out.
 

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For those who want to root for a player once he leaves here, it should not matter what team he goes to; if you're a fan of that player, then follow him wherever he goes.

Pick a position and stick to it, there should be no caveats.
To be clear, you are defining fandom by one definition and not allowing folks to evolve or change their minds?
 

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To be clear, you are defining fandom by one definition and not allowing folks to evolve or change their minds?
Let's just leave it at fans fall in love with a player on their team and choose to follow/root for him when he leaves while others fall in love with a player on their team and choose not to follow/root for him when he leaves,

Apparently the fans in group A are ok with this as long as they don't go to a team they hate, then they have the right to unfollow and unlove the player, while there are others who would follow him no matter what team he goes to, including a hated rival that the majority of Patriots fans hate with the fire of 10,000 suns.
 

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I'd never buy a Dolphins Brady jersey, or a Bucs Brady jersey for that matter, and I absolutely would never entertain the notion of rooting for the Dolphins if Brady played there (maybe against the Jets), but I don't get how anyone could feel betrayed or lose respect for the guy if that came to pass. He's 45. It's not like he left the Patriots in 2009 to play for Miami. He gave us a whole career's worth of all time QB play and then some. That's set in stone, no matter where he plays.
 

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Let's just leave it at fans fall in love with a player on their team and choose to follow/root for him when he leaves while others fall in love with a player on their team and choose not to follow/root for him when he leaves,

Apparently the fans in group A are ok with this as long as they don't go to a team they hate, then they have the right to unfollow and unlove the player, while there are others who would follow him no matter what team he goes to, including a hated rival that the majority of Patriots fans hate with the fire of 10,000 suns.
Yes. Thanks for agreeing with us that we can root for players any way we choose :)
 

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RIP to Gronk. Pedro / Manny-like in his ability to make me watch every play he was in.

In regards to Brady (on his new job)...I think he will be better than most people think. Players around the league have always commented on how easy / fun Brady is to talk to. One thing I think we do in Boston is put our players under intense media scrutiny. We're like LA with their Hollywood stars. Brady will look at the bright lights and be like "this is nothing new"

The National Media has always been desperate to know "What is Tom Brady really like?". This is their chance. He may have a bit of Romo or Payton in his voice early on, but I think eventually he will find his own voice and be successful.

I think he will simply shrug and go "Hey, same thing as Boston"
 

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Miami is in the division. And they suck as a franchise and their stupid champagne toasts are the lamest thing going. The Bills wouldn't be great, but Brady dominated them, so it would also be funny. The Jets wouldn't be possible, so it's not worth thinking about.

Miami, to me, would be the worst. I wouldn't throw a party over Baltimore, for sure, but I wouldn't be bothered by the Steelers. Same thing, Brady dominated them. And neither is in the division. And the Colts would be amazing, they would immediately hang a banner, "Tom Brady Is The QB."
Imagine if Brady led the Dolphins to an undefeated season.
 

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I was just coming to post that same stat---it is in some ways as amazing as any other single Brady stat.
 

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Depending on how how the playoffs shake out, Tom Brady could also amass more playoff wins than any other team. Currently, the Patriots have 37 playoff wins (Steelers at second with 36). Brady is tied with Dallas at 35.
And it's been said before, but I'll say it again, he often has had first round byes.
 

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https://pagesix.com/2022/07/14/tom-brady-wealth-is-the-hardest-thing-about-parenting/

Boy, I guess I just hadn't thought about it that way. Feel really bad for all of them.
I can totally see where he's coming from, though. It must be a challenge to raise kids that aren't completely entitled and dissociated from the realities of even their rich (nevermind poor or middle class) counterparts, and growing up with so much privilege can stunt the development of skills they'll most likely need when going out into the world on their own. I don't know, it's not like he's asking us to feel sorry for them.
 

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I get what he's saying but I'd file this under things better left unsaid, given how many families struggle day to day to provide basic necessities to their children.
 

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I get what he's saying but I'd file this under things better left unsaid, given how many families struggle day to day to provide basic necessities to their children.
His persona has become very imbued with a healthy dose of navel gazing (and not to say some of it hasn’t been interesting) the past few years, and I wouldn’t expect him to suddenly check that impulse. He also lives in a bubble within bubbles and has little, if any, declared interest in what is going on outside of it, so I don’t think the current economic and social/cultural climate is really informing anything he’s thinking/saying to the press.
 

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His persona has become very imbued with a healthy dose of navel gazing (and not to say some of it hasn’t been interesting) the past few years, and I wouldn’t expect him to suddenly check that impulse. He also lives in a bubble within bubbles and has little, if any, declared interest in what is going on outside of it, so I don’t think the current economic and social/cultural climate is really informing anything he’s thinking/saying to the press.
Also he's a moron.
 

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It was an interview for Page 6, which has a very different audience than this forum. His comments are completely harmless when put in that context.
 

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Isn't the concern that your kids are growing up with privileges pretty much no one else has the opposite of navel gazing? The whole thing is predicated on having the perspective that this isn't normal and isn't how people in the "real world" live. Seems like a whole lot of fishing for a reason to shit on the guy.