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Everyone needs to stop with the personal attacks. No one cares how long anyone has been on the board.
Boston’s taxing pursuit of Juan Soto is over. (Mets)
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Everyone needs to stop with the personal attacks. No one cares how long anyone has been on the board.
If they acquired the most expensive player in the league at the time - Arod - do they win?
Lets see how the offseason plays out before we declare them talentless.
This can't be fucking real.
Plenty of people pissed on anyone who had the cojones to say Trump wouldn't beat Harris. I assume you're looking for your pound of flesh in V&N?
This place continues its fucking death spiral.
Vladi is the baller move if they miss out on Teoscar. Not easy but way way better.
I think this is right. Cohen was commited to upstaging the Yankees, and that in of itself was valuable to him beyond anything Soto brings to the table. The Red Sox got involved in a grudge match, where Cohen was simply not going to be denied, period. And Soto and Boras were out for the last dollar once things escalated that far. A friend texted me and asked why Soto wouldn't sign with the Yankees with an offer close to the Mets, for a team he just played for and one of the most historic franchises in sports. I think the answer is the Yankees knew they couldn't beat Cohen either and probably said enough is enough as well.
Depends on what else happens. I’d take that contract over Chapman and TeOscar for this offseason. But if they can land a big arm without giving up too much of the farm and get another arm and bat, I’m good.
Not all billionaires are created equal. Cohen is worth at least 2x more than Henry.
Maybe even more than that. I didn't think even the Yankees could outbid that guy, but thought if they could come close enough, the prestige of playing for the Yankees and becoming an all time Yankee great would be worth something. But, not in this case. I think he would have been better off taking the Yankees offer all things considered. But, just goes to show Cohen is a beast.
Maybe? Can he surf the decline of an aging Yankees team to primacy in the NY market, or is he going to be Angels east?
Not sure how you would even calculate that. Question is do the Mets make money, which of course they will at first, but not so much if the team doesn't win. And the LT payments will be steep, which Cohen can just cover, and finally the draft pick penalty.
It was reported as a $765 contract with a $75 million signing bonus. So that's $690 over 15 years, or $46m/yr. If he opts out, he keeps that $75 million, which makes his effective AAV 75/5 + 46 = 61. I think the salary to negate the opt-out probably isn't reported correctly. It would be $46 + $5 = $51m.
Let's see... if the salary is really 220 for the first five years, that's 44M salary. +4M after optout would be 48 --> 10/480
480 + 220 + 75 = 775.. maybe.
edit: I see what you're saying now, the actual salary of the contract is 46M for 15/690, but Soto can opt into 10/460, or opt out and Mets keep him for 10/500
I gotcha now
480 + 220 + 75 = 775.. maybe.
edit: I see what you're saying now, the actual salary of the contract is 46M for 15/690, but Soto can opt into 10/460, or opt out and Mets keep him for 10/500
I gotcha now
He’s basically trying to Patriots Place the Citi Field area, including building a casino. He needed a marketing star to be part of the pitches and that is clearly Soto now. No idea how successful his real estate ventures will be but the Mets just got a huge marketing jolt. Will be interesting to follow.
Ah OK. Well good luck with that. It's not a bad strategy if you have unlimited money but your brand means nothing in Japan.
Yeah, ultimately I think Cohen just doesn’t really care much about the economics. He is nearing 70 and worth over $20B. His franchise has already appreciated $600M in 4 years. That figure is already going up. This is a pure vanity play. Everyone else is mostly trying to run a business and this is a toy for him. It wouldn’t shock me at all if we see other big deals to the Mets. I don’t think he’s done.
I actually thought the Sox were going to be able to sign Soto. But whatever, time to move on
Let's address the current needs of the team and get better after this evening's disappointing news
Let's address the current needs of the team and get better after this evening's disappointing news
I wanted Soto at 700 or less, because he would have really wanted to play for us. If that wasn’t a strong enough reality, this outcome is ideal. He‘s now an irrelevant great player, the same way he was irrelevant when he played for the Padres. He had Tatis and Machado there and didn’t make a WS… this season with the Yanks was just one of those things. Great player, but not The Savior.
Whether or not Henry was genuine in his approach, he did what I expected—get involved, hoped Cohen had a ceiling, possibly factoring in Luxe taxes, and hoped for some Dominican+Sox sentiment to lead to a discount. Whether or not this is a successful offseason depends on Plan B and now we still have to compete for players both the Yankees and Mets still want.
If we were outbid for a guy who ostensibly wanted to play for us, won’t we just be outbid for other targets who don’t have the same interest? Wasn’t it ‘reported’ that Boston was going to sign two top-tier pitchers? That’s what has to happen. That and an O’Neil replacement. And then we pray the kids are alright.
Whether or not Henry was genuine in his approach, he did what I expected—get involved, hoped Cohen had a ceiling, possibly factoring in Luxe taxes, and hoped for some Dominican+Sox sentiment to lead to a discount. Whether or not this is a successful offseason depends on Plan B and now we still have to compete for players both the Yankees and Mets still want.
If we were outbid for a guy who ostensibly wanted to play for us, won’t we just be outbid for other targets who don’t have the same interest? Wasn’t it ‘reported’ that Boston was going to sign two top-tier pitchers? That’s what has to happen. That and an O’Neil replacement. And then we pray the kids are alright.
The scary thing about the Mets is that they are Cohen's checkbook but also Stearns is a genius at piecing together quality cheap rosters behind them, whatever holes need to be filled.
The NL is crazy stacked now at the top, the best five teams in baseball next year might all be in the NL.
The NL is crazy stacked now at the top, the best five teams in baseball next year might all be in the NL.
If this is a RINGZ argument, he was the cleanup hitter at 19 for the WS winning Nationals in 2019.
I think if the Sox got real aggressive and got Fried and either Crochet or Burnes, they should be the favorites in the division. With Soto out of NY, the division is wide open.
The Harper/Machado contracts are looking like great deals now.
I wonder if Bobby Witt Jr is having some regrets tonight.
I wonder if Bobby Witt Jr is having some regrets tonight.
But wait - are the owners paying salary out of their own pockets? I don't think that's how it works. They purchase the team with the validity of their wealth and by putting together an offer (usually with other co-owners), but they don't pay salaries do they? This comes from team revenues, not their own bank accounts. It's not like Cohen was willing to pay Soto himself. He's willing to spend more of the team revenue to get him.
We got TWO Yankee Elimination Days this year. That’s a bonus as far as I’m concerned.
Nope, just a recency rationalization toward alleviating my distaste for his decision.
But, thank you for the reminder.
We can only guess at team revenues, but I’m willing to bet Cohen spends a higher share of revenue on player salaries than any other owner.
For me, Soto isn’t a question of spending. We’ll find out in time how much ownership is willing to spend — signing Soto wouldn’t have changed that number in the long run. The question is how large a fraction of that spend we want to see committed to a single player. I’m on the fence as to whether Soto would’ve been worth his share of the pie, so I’m neither pissed nor relieved that we missed out. On to the next bid.
This seems like a massive massive overpay. Don't get me wrong, I realize that essentially every FA deal is overpay to some extent. However, some feel bigger than others- and this one seems especially egregious. I mean it's a higher AAV than Otani (when you account for the deferrals) and I can't be convinced he's a more valuable player. I don't think I would have wanted the Sox to sign this deal.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/09/sports/steve-cohen-wasnt-going-to-let-anything-stop-juan-soto-pursuit/
I'm impressed by the Mets intelligence/investigative team.
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Yikes. Are these salaries sustainable ? I'm ok with missing out on this. Which much rather get players for a little cheaper who can still make a difference. Especially pitchers.
I'm both of the opinion that that is too much for even Soto, and that the Red Sox offer wasn't genuine. Whatever. They're likely going to have to either blow out Fried, or risk losing him to Yankees. The 2025 team will be similar to the 2024 team, aside from what Mayer / Anthony / Campbell eventually contribute.
The guy did not lie when he declared his intentions at the beginning of the offseason.
I don’t know why some are so angry. To me this shows either (1) Soto didn’t want to leave NY or (2) he only cared about who would pay the most. If that’s the case then so be it. Sox made their push and he chose elsewhere.
The real offseason can start now. Hopefully they sign one of the big FA SP and add a bat like Teoscar or who knows, Alonso.
The real offseason can start now. Hopefully they sign one of the big FA SP and add a bat like Teoscar or who knows, Alonso.
I for one thought that Soto at $600,000,000 would be a big mistake .
He would of course make us better but would also prohibit us from
making the moves that would make us a legitimate contender.
$700,000,000 is insane and now let’s use that $50,000,000 a year
to build a championship!
I'm having trouble with them "not being genuine". Why wouldn't they just go balls out for the guys that they "genuinely" want while the rest of the baseball world was focused on Soto?
I’m not surprised. The Mets we’re going to best anyone else’s offer….. EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!
They publicly said as much.
Fine. The only downside to the Mets getting him is that they now have excess spending cash to get Teoscar- and they NEED to…. The Sox don’t.
But… the Sox NEED a starter more than the MFY’s, but that’s never stopped them from beating the Sox out there.
I can see the Yankees getting both Teo and Fried.
If the Sox somehow pivot and trade for Guerrero I hope it’s to DH him and Casas- that lineup is scary-
Duran
Devers
Vlad
Casas
Story
Abreu
Grissom
Anthony
Wong
They publicly said as much.
Fine. The only downside to the Mets getting him is that they now have excess spending cash to get Teoscar- and they NEED to…. The Sox don’t.
But… the Sox NEED a starter more than the MFY’s, but that’s never stopped them from beating the Sox out there.
I can see the Yankees getting both Teo and Fried.
If the Sox somehow pivot and trade for Guerrero I hope it’s to DH him and Casas- that lineup is scary-
Duran
Devers
Vlad
Casas
Story
Abreu
Grissom
Anthony
Wong
Thats sort of the irony. Everybody needs a Soto, in one respect. But the Sox OF is in good shape.
They need to keep the impression that they are actually trying to be in the mix for the best talent while charging one of the most expensive tickets in baseball and $30/month for NESN.
Agree or disagree with the “retreat for 4-5 years and win with cheap, cost-controlled players” plan, it has been a definite organizational shift since the Mookie trade.