Boston’s taxing pursuit of Juan Soto is over. (Mets)

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Why’s everyone so pessimistic this morning? Based on what was said by that BostonStrong Twitter account that is run by some nobody?
enough smoke from others on Twitter as well that makes me believe it is down to Mets and Yankees. Heymans last report for one. Hope not but just my feeling.
 

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enough smoke from others on Twitter as well that makes me believe it is down to Mets and Yankees. Heymans last report for one. Hope not but just my feeling.
that’s fine. Let’s acquire the pitching that’s going to get him out for the next three years before he goes full Pujols.
 

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Signing Soto to a 14-year/ $700 million+ deal would be an almost $200 million overpay and I will lose my mind if the Red Sox do this. They haven't spent their money wisely in years past (Hanley Ramirez, Sandoval, Price, Castillo, Story, Yoshida), and this is just a continuation. They let players walk who should get paid, and overpay for players who do not perform.

Is Juan Soto one of the premier hitters in the game? No question about it, but he's not a five-tool player. He lacks both speed and fielding tools and is also one of the worst baserunners in the league. $700 million for him is a complete scam.
 

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Via Stats: “Red Sox folks have been radio silent since the meeting. Everything written the last two weeks has been fabricated fan fiction. The silence was broken today, and getting Soto now would seem to take multiple miracles.”
If this is the case, do we actually believe that there is a $700 million offer on the table from the Red Sox?
 

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At this point the only disaster with a price tag above $730 million is if the Sox don’t get pitching.
 

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My guess is that it’s over too. Mets will continue to offer the most.

Sox need to get Fried and good to go.
I’d get Campbell full time at 1B and 3B in AAA. Anthony starts in LF. Screw it…. The Sox will be better than the MFY’s in ‘25 even if they get Soto.
 

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Signing Soto to a 14-year/ $700 million+ deal would be an almost $200 million overpay and I will lose my mind if the Red Sox do this. They haven't spent their money wisely in years past (Hanley Ramirez, Sandoval, Price, Castillo, Story, Yoshida), and this is just a continuation. They let players walk who should get paid, and overpay for players who do not perform.

Is Juan Soto one of the premier hitters in the game? No question about it, but he's not a five-tool player. He lacks both speed and fielding tools and is also one of the worst baserunners in the league. $700 million for him is a complete scam.
This is either JWH or Kennedy's SoSH burner.
 

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Agreed. I would like them to sign Soto but if overpaying hamstrings them a few years from now in buying out arb years and extending some of their young talented players that is concerning.
Paying one player $700+ million over 14 years would be the most irresponsible financial decision this ownership group will ever make and would handcuff the organization financially for years to come. Let the Mets or Yankees outbid one another
 

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Is Juan Soto one of the premier hitters in the game? No question about it, but he's not a five-tool player. He lacks both speed and fielding tools and is also one of the worst baserunners in the league. $700 million for him is a complete scam.
Let’s please wait at least until some confirmation before we enter “Stage 2: Never wanted him anyway” stage.
 

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Absolutely. There are multiple ways that they can build a better team for 2025, and they all involve spending money. If Chapman is the biggest financial commitment this off-season, they deserve all the criticism that they will receive.
As the resident "stick with the plan" prospect humper, I agree. They need to strike this year or they are going to start losing even the staunchest of us.

I don't want them to do it stupidly, like 5 years to Santander, but they absolutely need to add high quality pitching. They do have depth, but the high quality pitching is missing outside of Houck.
 

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The circle of SoSH life. Soto is really good, but I think the resources might be better spent elsewhere.... I'm coming around to Soto, a generational player who would kill it at Fenway... It's only money and it's not our money. Get er done Theo!!!... Ridicules money, time to focus our resources elsewhere.
 

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Let’s please wait at least until some confirmation before we enter “Stage 2: Never wanted him anyway” stage.
Too late. Already firing up my irrational hatred. I can’t stand NYC every time I’m there and could never understand why someone would choose to live there. Boston on the other hand is great every time I’m able to visit. If he wants to stick to the rotten apple, screw him.
 
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We kind of discussed this in another thread, but realistically, its probably someone in the minors or just coming to the majors now.

Anthony has "the pedigree" to become a 1%'er in terms of pay and production, but he also needs to realize 100% of his potential and a lot can change between now and 7 or 8 years from now.

I think people are discounting how rare it is for someone like Soto to become a true free agent at 26.
hopefully the new bonuses for RoY, etc to avoid service time manipulation will provide somewhat of a nudge downwards on ages of FAs (although 26 yo’s will probably still be rare, but at least maybe more 28 and 29s and fewer 31+)
 

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Hope he goes to the Yankees. As others have said, their Soto ceiling just happened, and I suspect this would cool them on Fried? Or maybe if Soto goes to the Mets, Fried cools on the Yankees? I dunno, but whichever outcome solves our #1 rotation issue makes us better, and either NY team landing Soto doesn't worry me.
 

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The circle of SoSH life. Soto is really good, but I think the resources might be better spent elsewhere.... I'm coming around to Soto, a generational player who would kill it at Fenway... It's only money and it's not our money. Get er done Theo!!!... Ridicules money, time to focus our resources elsewhere.
I would still love if they signed Soto, but if they don’t, they better spend money on some pitching.
 

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Apologies if this has been addressed in that last few days as I've kept up with the thread sporadically, but I'm not following the logic that Soto to the Yankees helps the Sox out with Fried. Why are we assuming the Mets wouldn't pivot and throw a bunch of money at Fried? They could still use another starter, their park tends to favor pitchers which could be appealing to him, plus it's a chance to steal him from a division rival.

Personally I'd be more afraid of the Sox having to contend with Cohen's response to losing out on Soto.
 

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Wonder if the talk about Soto wanting a great long-term outlook was fabricated as well, because I really think both NY teams have a ton of downside risk heading into next decade.
 

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Apologies if this has been addressed in that last few days as I've kept up with the thread sporadically, but I'm not following the logic that Soto to the Yankees helps the Sox out with Fried. Why are we assuming the Mets wouldn't pivot and throw a bunch of money at Fried? They could still use another starter, their park tends to favor pitchers which could be appealing to him, plus it's a chance to steal him from a division rival.

Personally I'd be more afraid of the Sox having to contend with Cohen's response to losing out on Soto.
We wouldn't have to contend with Cohen's response unless we get to the World Series.
 

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Wonder if the talk about Soto wanting a great long-term outlook was fabricated as well, because I really think both NY teams have a ton of downside risk heading into next decade.
I wonder how they deal with that? We wanted him to take it seriously but maybe the general approach is that prospects are just prospects and may not turn out to be anything.
 

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It would be hilarious if we don’t get Soto and then Chapman becomes our big offseason acquisition.
It sounds as if they do have a Plan B contingency in place. It won’t be as splashy or sexy as Juan Soto, but I don’t anticipate them sitting on their hands if this falls through.
 

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There are two horrible outcomes. The first is that he comes to us and we don't win a championship before he becomes riddled with injuries, or his skills fade, and we are stock with that massive contract until 2039. The second is that he goes the Yankees and leads them to (I can't bring myself to finish the sentence).
At this point I just want him to go to the Mets. I would love to sign Fried first so that we are not in a bidding war with the Yankees with him (although reports say that we may already be?)
This is a weird way to look at it. You do you.
 

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Nobody does.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

It's amazing how we ride the roller coaster of no information. Every tweet changes the tenor of the thread and none of them fit together coherently at all. Everyone is saying something different and there's no way to know who has it right if any of them have it right.

Best thing to do is to simply relax and wait for the end. All the agita in the meantime is not worth it.
 

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Perception at times that commitment to winning by trading a generational talent like Mookie and then having several bad seasons aside from 2021 can be an optic. Like I said, right or wrong it can impact things negatively.
Do you think perception trump's the reality that the club now has one of the top farms systems in the league, with two young players having breakout seasons at the major league level last season? Does it trump the reality that there is the very real potential for Soto to lead one of the best young cores in the game for years to come? Does it trump the reality that the club has money to spend to address the real needs facing the team and have only said that they are willing to do so?
 

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Do you think perception trump's the reality that the club now has one of the top farms systems in the league, with two young players having breakout seasons at the major league level last season? Does it trump the reality that there is the very real potential for Soto to lead one of the best young cores in the game for years to come? Does it trump the reality that the club has money to spend to address the real needs facing the team and have only said that they are willing to do so?
You know I am very fond of you, but your use of apostrophes drives me nuts. (As my husband says, I don't have that far to go.) "Trumps the reality" is what you mean to say.
"Trump's the reality" is also the case nationally, but has nothing to do with Soto.
 

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You know I am very fond of you, but your use of apostrophes drives me nuts. (As my husband says, I don't have that far to go.) "Trumps the reality" is what you mean to say.
"Trump's the reality" is also the case nationally, but has nothing to do with Soto.
Seemingly, no one use apostrophes correctly. The "its" versus "it's" mistakes on this board run rampant.