I do and I don’t. Of the three, they’re the team whose GM seems like the first one to look at their current roster and payroll and think, yeah this doesn’t make *that* much sense.
Boston’s taxing pursuit of Juan Soto is over. (Mets)
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George will rise up from his grave like a demon from hell and toss another $150 mil on the table.
Wait - he had intel that Cole's sister was looking for an apartment ahead of the announced signing, and then Soto's sister just happens to be doing the same thing in Boston? That is absolutely ridiculous.
Meanwhile, I've been thinking maybe an obvious thought. Nothing will change Red Sox culture, back to being a destination for players and fans, like signing Soto will. It will just be a fucking 180, and I think lots of good things will spring from it. I actually think it IS in the Sox best interest to use resources to get him. He'll be a magnet: for other players, for fans, for viewership, for revenue. Get it done, Theo!
Very ridiculous. Still kinda weird for a tiny account that doesn't really tweet anything else.
And yeah Soto solves so many problems that go well beyond the 2025 roster.
Throwing out Ohtani's contract because it'll be confusing with the deferred money, the likelihood is that they have an offer on the table $140m in total value above a few players clustered at mid-300s. (taking rumors as fact for discussion purposes)
For various reasons, we might have crossed the line of demarcation with their interest. If they don't get this done, it's going to sting
Yep. Not many players could accomplish this either. Ohtani obviously could have. Next year, possibly Vlad, but to a lesser degree. After that, I don't think there's anything close to this big of a name and talent hitting free agency in the next few years. I mean, there are some names, but we're talking signing them at 34, 35, 36, 37...
Which is why I could see the Sox making a huge offer. Money motivates Henry et al. I don’t think they were dedicated to “winning”, stop caring, and suddenly care again. The financial repercussions of failing to sign Mookie and repeatedly failing to make the playoffs caught up to them. They need to reignite fan passion for the team to sell merch and get butts in the seats. Other than Ohtani, this is the most obvious opportunity to do that.
It’s been discussed in this thread the various reasons that Soto may base his decision on where to go. From money, to the Red Sox throwing out the Pedro, Ortiz, Manny card etc… So, how much is it a factor that NYC becomes a negative place for him to play? As a current (or was until free agency) Yankee, if he were to reject them and become a Met, he will (possibly?) be hated by 2/3rds of NY baseball fans in the city. Does he really want to live in a place where he gets insulted by Yankee fans every time he goes out in Manhattan for a quiet dinner/drinks with family/ friends etc? I do understand that he would probably not be frequenting places where asshole Yankee fans frequent, but still, the possibly is there. Or, he could play in Boston and be treated like a King every time he goes to dinner/drinks Downtown/Back Bay/ Seaport?
If you are potentially going to be working/living somewhere for possibly 10+ years, I think how you will be treated in the place that you and your family are going to live and socialize becomes very important and transcends the extra dollars that the Mets may be willing to pay. As a result, I think if the Mets and Sox are similar, he picks the Sox.
I have a gut feeling that the Red Sox are going to get a number that he will sign for, if they agree. I’m not sure the Mets get the same courtesy.
If you are potentially going to be working/living somewhere for possibly 10+ years, I think how you will be treated in the place that you and your family are going to live and socialize becomes very important and transcends the extra dollars that the Mets may be willing to pay. As a result, I think if the Mets and Sox are similar, he picks the Sox.
I have a gut feeling that the Red Sox are going to get a number that he will sign for, if they agree. I’m not sure the Mets get the same courtesy.
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I have a feeling the announcement comes tonight. If I were a 26 year old about to make $700 million dollars on a historic decision with major impact on the sport, I’d time the announcement and sync it to a party. That could be any night of course, but still.
It feels like waiting another week until the beginning of the Winter Meetings, when other big signings could happen, could lessen the impact a bit. Who knows.
It feels like waiting another week until the beginning of the Winter Meetings, when other big signings could happen, could lessen the impact a bit. Who knows.
between 1030 and 11 on a Saturday night, when all the attention is on college football. Not likely
FWIW, that would be starting with Trout's 9.5 WAR 2018 season and 3 of his next 7 seasons would be 6+ WAR. From 2018-2024 he has earned just over $250 mil per Fangraphs, but close to half of that was in the first two years. His injuries have destroyed any value he would have had, but that's always the risk with a long term deal. If we're averse to that risk than there shouldn't be anyone signed to a long term deal.
Feels like a Yankees fan troll based on the reports today that Yankees won't go over 550.
EDIT FOR CLARITY: I mean to say I think he is trolling Yankees fans.
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I actually think that makes it more credible, because it suggests that his source is connected to whatever ultra-high-end real estate broker Scott Boras refers his players to.
Or it’s all bullshit. I don’t know.
Hearing Whitlock's CPA is hunkering down for the new tax bracket once the check for #22 clears. Could be nothing, but the same guy called Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. during oral arguments, so he's got a track record.
I need to call my doctor.
he had Farrah Fawcett passing away weeks before the National Media did
Randy Miller is pretty much always wrong, he makes shit up constantly (during the season too) and no one should take him even slightly seriously. Just one example:
View: https://twitter.com/randyjmiller/status/1600275891216605185?s=46&t=0GHHaPVUX26Io0V2HIcS0g
View: https://twitter.com/randyjmiller/status/1600275891216605185?s=46&t=0GHHaPVUX26Io0V2HIcS0g
I would imagine that most/all free agents, at least the ones in demand fielding multiple offers, are going to scout real estate in each market they're considering. I mean, when you're making a life-altering decision, you want as much info as possible before you decide. Even for multi-millionaire athletes, that has to include where they're going to live. I don't find the player, his sister, his wife, his mother, or whomever looking at houses in any given market as compelling evidence of anything except that city is in the running to sign him. All I get from the rumors about Soto's sister looking at places in Boston (assuming it's real at all) is that whoever he has real estate shopping in Toronto and LA and Queens is being a bit more discreet and covering their tracks a bit better.
Listen I’m sure you are right, the I don’t think the Judge thing is a good example. A lot of people thought Judge to SF was a done deal. It was pretty crazy.
Word, yeah... I listen to Section 10, I'm a fan. I was trying to say I think he is trolling Yankees fans.
I look at SoSH for the 1st time since I can remember and I see this memory of wondering why the Nationals were playing multiple Michael Jackson songs while thinking I just took the lead in the pool with Farrah.
I know. Your wife had to tell you you had both because you didn't think you did.
Michael/Farrah day is burned into my memory almost as much as tracking the Matsuzaka signing via FlightTracker. Good times.
At the end, they thought that. He was saying it for more than a month as he brags (!) in that tweet.
Anyway, he is terrible, as every Yankee fan knows. He often makes up quotes and attributes them to an ‘unnamed MLB insider’ just to write something, it’s kind of amazing he hasn’t been fired.
I hope I am wrong, but now I am seeing multiple talking head accts quoting a an article on the Globe that the Yankees fear the Red Sox the most in the Soto lottery, so I fear we are out of it. The Red Sox should never be the leader in any hot stove rumours.
I won't lie and say I have not worn out the f5 button on my laptop this last week like I did when G38 was being woo'ed this time 19 years ago. I just am not comfy with the Red Sox being the favorite of the hot stove chefs out there.
I won't lie and say I have not worn out the f5 button on my laptop this last week like I did when G38 was being woo'ed this time 19 years ago. I just am not comfy with the Red Sox being the favorite of the hot stove chefs out there.
I’ve been bouncing around on social media (non Tik Tok division) for the first time in forever and near as I can tell the growing rumors are just referencing previous rumors.
The mistake was the Stanton deal and Rondon contracts. That’s a ton of money tied to players who just do not provide much of any value.
They have also sent a lot of depth away and have little coming up to offset those contacts with pre arb production. They are really going to have to spend to stay competitive and it needs to be across the roster.
Hm, a lot of ways to answer that. One is the number of titles, which is the whole purpose, but will be hard to define, unless they win one or more without him. Then the answer will be, not much of a mistake.
Another way to measure it would be the value of what they traded to the Padres in the hopes of selling him on an extension. If Michael King, Drew Thorpe, Jhony Brito or Randy Vazquez turn into stars, that one year of Soto will be pretty bittersweet.
Not sure exactly what you mean by mistake, but I guess they gave up a pretty big haul to San Diego to get him. Two years of control of Michael King, and Drew Thorpe, who the Padres used in part to get at least two years of Cease. Plus some other spare parts.
I wouldn't say the Padres fleeced the Yankees, because Soto was great...but they got more value in the long-term, especially if they Yankees can't sign Soto.
It's also not unlikely King would have been their best pitcher last year.
Well they traded a decent haul with a GFiN on Soto and also assumed that part of the value they would get would be to get a leg up on signing him. Neither of those necessarily worked out, though making the World Series was a nice enough consolation prize I suppose. Michael King had a pretty tidy season on the mound for the Padres
When you factor in that the Padres turned Thorpe into Dylan Cease it looks even worse for the Yankees, IMO. But I agree.
Certainly franchise altering but I mean, teams with resources will always get talent on their roster. It's not like asking "if the giants don't get Judge" or "if the angels don't capitalize on Trout." The Yankees will always figure out a way to stuff top players on their team. Will they be Soto? No. But I mean, there are at least a couple Yankees fans on this forum, me included, who aren't 100% sure we even should be pursuing Soto at the predicted costs.
NY had a crowded rotation last year and has a crowded rotation on paper again this year. If Michael King is on the team, Luis Gil likely never gets a real chance, and now he has proven himself and they have him locked in through 2028.
If Soto signs elsewhere and you asked Cashman 'knowing everything you know now, would you like a time machine back to last winter and a do-over on that deal?', I bet he would say 'interesting, but no thanks'.
If Soto signs elsewhere and you asked Cashman 'knowing everything you know now, would you like a time machine back to last winter and a do-over on that deal?', I bet he would say 'interesting, but no thanks'.
Actually this is more complicated because if they don't trade King, maybe they don't sign Stroman. Anyway, didn't happen that way.
I don’t think it was the worst outcome for the Yanks.
Im with Crow on Soto. How many shit outfielders will you carry because they’re are generational players? Defense is still a thing. Their outfield will be horrendous and their budget is not infinite. They’ll need to spend to keep that infield healthy and solid.
Im with Crow on Soto. How many shit outfielders will you carry because they’re are generational players? Defense is still a thing. Their outfield will be horrendous and their budget is not infinite. They’ll need to spend to keep that infield healthy and solid.
I absolutely think the Yankees would be better served rounding out their roster than signing Soto at $50mm AAV.
It’s almost the completely opposite set up from the Sox. The Yankees have a legit superstar to build around but have a poor system and need to really improve the middle and bottom end of their roster with free agency.
The Red Sox have a deep roster, great farm system, but really lack true high end talent.
@jon abbey suggested using Soto money on a Bregman/Walker combo. Might not happen, but it would be a good plan
Any word on whether Soto has been touring strip malls in the Boston area in search of potential CPAs?
I posted the above in the WS thread. It will be really hard for the NYY to improve their defense moving forward without dumping Stanton and/or LeMahieu.
And here is the link:
https://nypost.com/2024/10/31/sports/yankees-world-series-failure-started-with-fundamental-issues/
Let’s be real. The Yankees will sign a hatable “C-List” guy like Kevin Kiermaier. He’ll get on the Bronx Vitamin regimen, his head will swell to the size of a jackfruit, and he’ll OPS .850 while hitting about 25-30 home runs.
Who needs Soto?
Who needs Soto?