This. Those BA Tweets are telling. People can go down the conspiracy rabbit-hole all they want but recent developments are entirely consistent with the Sox getting access to medical information that wasn't available to them prior to the transaction.
That’s a flawed take on a couple of levels. Wherever he plays this year, Mookie will be highly motivated to have a big year heading into FA. Super awkward dumpster fire season is just foolish. Secondly, the bleak future is an over-sell. The Red Sox have the resources to field a competitive club pretty much every year, if they choose to. Getting under the threshold certainly helps them do it with a home grown approach, but there’s other ways to skin that cat, and they are one of a handful of franchises with the wherewithal to pursue those.
We don’t know that at all. Bounce backs from either Eovaldi or Price make it easier to trade them for value with each having only 2 years left at that point. They could turn Workman and Barnes into nice cheap pieces for 2021 at the deadline this year. Breakouts from 2 or 3 prospects could fill holes for minimum salary.
There are about 100 posts in this thread that explain why this line of thinking is wrong. If you read the thread and still believe this, you're going to have a bad time. It's important that they reset their tax situation as soon as they can.
If they chose to stay above the LT consistently, they'd be the only ones doing it. Every other team re-sets the tax after they go over.
I think part of it is also likely that even if they do understand, people are frustrated that only a year ago the Red Sox were agreeing to a $17M a year deal with Eovaldi, and signing Sale to an early extension that pays him 30M a year until he's 36 and now need to trade one of the best in the game at a discount in order to save money.
The moves I outlined would have them below the luxury tax in 2021 even if they signed Mookie. They’d be way below if they didn’t sign Mookie.
Reportedly, MINN offered to supplement Graterol with a 11-20 prospect and BOS refused (per Heyman, a Boras mouthpiece, so take it FWIW).
That offer was last offseason right? So likely the answer is if he signed that they either don't sign Eovaldi or they don't extend Sale.
I do agree they should have non-tendered JBJ. To me, it makes more sense to get under the tax this year because it would make an attempt to re-sign Betts easier to do financially.
If that is the case....they should have traded Mookie by the deadline last year, they would get far more for him and there was no reason to keep him. Not sure they could have gotten under last year, but they could have made the same move and gotten more return.
I do think it’s highly preferable to reset the tax soon, though I think that could done next off season, or at the deadline as well. But the idea that this deal falling apart dooms them now or in the future is just wrong, IMO. And they absolutely do have resources to acquire MLB talent externally, in a way that only a few other franchises do. The tweet I was responding to read like front office propaganda.
Right now, the Red Sox are committed to seven players for approx. $133.9mm in AAV (Price (31.0), Sale (25.6), Eovaldi (17.0), JDM (22.0, if no opt-out), Bogaerts (20.0), Pedroia (13.8), Vazquez (4.5)) in 2021.
On Verdugo or Graterol? I am surprised the Dodgers even get to look at Graterol.
There is no reason to include politics in your post. If you can't make your point without politics, don't post. This is your only warning.
Now the “benefits and 40-man” cost is up to $24 million? I e seen it as low as $8 and even the ownership apologists in this thread are using $10 as the number. That’s absurd. Even gold plated family medical insurance costs $30,000. How can it possibly be that high?
I think the other comparable Twin's prospects are in the lower minors. Sox looking for someone ML ready. Thats why I think it would make sense for the Dodgers to keep the Twins piece send Goselin to Boston......I'm sure its not that easy, lol
I cited the source for the $24mm in my post. He is estimating $23mm for same this year. Cot's is estimating $22.43mm this year, so the number is in the ballpark. Obviously, I cannot respond to the "ownership apologists" as to their sources.
This would require Price's consent, however, because his 10-5 rights would vest.
I certainly wouldn't count on JD opting out as my hopes in getting under the tax. As you know, this is the easiest way to do it albeit the most painful.
If LA was willing to send Gonsolin to BOS, this deal would have been done long ago IMO. White and Santana are ML or close-to-ML ready but with lower ceilings. Grove and Uceta are at least a year further away.
If you stopped at 15 and cheated by looking ahead, don’t go back. Pick up something from the library instead. )))
I'd like to see them go for it one last time with Mookie. If come June, the SP is as bad as last year - go ahead and trade everyone over 30 and reset. I'll have no problem (as a fan) if they reset the luxury tax the following season. Last year, they pretty much didn't make a call either way. They didn't fish, and they didn't cut bait. They would need to be more decisive this year. I also think they are selling too low on David Price. I realize there's a risk Price' value gets even worse, but I think there's a good chance it gets better as well. If he pitches well for 3 months, some contending team will be desperate for a proven starter.
Which is all the more reason to note that while trading Mookie is the easiest way to get under the CBT, it is also an indication of very poor planning on the part of the Red Sox. They shelled out 47M a year to 2 players last offseason, then they didn't make any moves last year during a disastrous season. If you've come to the realization that Price needs to go, and Mookie is how you get rid of him, why not last deadline? What did they gain? Because what they lost is flexibility with Price, and value from trading 1.5 years of Mookie instead of 1.
You have stated succinctly why DD is no longer the GM of the RS. Also note that on July 30, BOS was only 2.5 games out of the 2nd WC, so a trade of Betts and/or Price at that time would have received much more vitriol from this message board.
True, but ownership signed off on those deals, and could just as easily have put out the "get under the tax" mandate during last season as waiting until now. Yes DD probably screwed up, but.... ownership obviously did not give him a long-term plan/goal, and approved the mis-steps all along the way.
That’ll be cool...until he walks away from 325 million dollars the Sox offer him and the Sox get a meager comp pick.
