Ben Simmons wants out of Philadelphia

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Cesar Crespo

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What about my second question? I think it goes hand in hand with the first.

I also think people are hesitant to answer, because they know what the outcome will be if/when hes traded.

If his mental health is an issue now, it's an issue when hes traded. The coincidence that would be involved for him to have mental health concerns prior to his first game with Philly, but have them alleviated enough to play immediately after being traded is...well, more than enough to question his motive.

Good thing he's not going to be traded until Mid December or after and not immediately. I mean, he could play immediately upon being traded, but that could be 2 months from now, not tomorrow.
 

Kenny F'ing Powers

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Good thing he's not going to be traded until Mid December or after and not immediately. I mean, he could play immediately upon being traded, but that could be 2 months from now, not tomorrow.
Pretend he wasnt. Let's say he was traded tonight.

When do you think he plays his first game for his new team?

Again, we all have a pretty good idea what the answer would be. The fact that people are refusing to address this says a lot about what people ACTUALLY feel.

Its OK to support mental health. I do. But I'm more offended someone would use it to their advantage when it helps their contract demands instead of when they're actually suffering. I think it's an affront to mental health and only serves to set back the cause.
 

Cesar Crespo

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Pretend he wasnt. Let's say he was traded tonight.

When do you think he plays his first game for his new team?

Again, we all have a pretty good idea what the answer would be. The fact that people are refusing to address this says a lot about what people ACTUALLY feel.

Its OK to support mental health. I do. But I'm more offended someone would use it to their advantage when it helps their contract demands instead of when they're actually suffering. I think it's an affront to mental health and only serves to set back the cause.
But he won't be. Plus I 100% believe leaving a certain situation can make people better "over night." Usually they are leaving a situation that is far worse than playing basketball for Philly but it happens. Or they start taking their meds again.

I just lost my cousin to suicide and they just found his body in the Hampton River. He was fine 2 months ago. Then he wasn't. What changed? He went off his meds.

Mental health can come and go quickly.
 

Kenny F'ing Powers

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But he won't be. Plus I 100% believe leaving a certain situation can make people better "over night." Usually they are leaving a situation that is far worse than playing basketball for Philly but it happens. Or they start taking their meds again.

I just lost my cousin to suicide and they just found his body in the Hampton River. He was fine 2 months ago. Then he wasn't. What changed? He went off his meds.

Mental health can come and go quickly.
But Simmons never cited mental health. People are taking a leap of faith. He said he wasnt mentally prepared to join the team. Those are very different things.

Especially since he was prepared enough to join the team for practice after a prolonged hold out, practice in sweatpants with his phone in his pocket, and then refuse (twice) to rotate a defensive assignment from his head coach.

It seems that he was mentally prepared to submarine his team and show his unhappiness with being there, but not to actually contribute.

If you dont see how this is a setback for actual mental health advocates - the NBA has an audience of black males (where mental health remains an uphill battle) and lower/middle class white men (where ignoring mental health is common) - I'm not sure what to say.

Edit - and, again, you refused to actually answer the question. Because you know what it implies.
 

Cesar Crespo

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But Simmons never cited mental health. People are taking a leap of faith. He said he wasnt mentally prepared to join the team. Those are very different things.

Especially since he was prepared enough to join the team for practice after a prolonged hold out, practice in sweatpants with his phone in his pocket, and then refuse (twice) to rotate a defensive assignment from his head coach.

It seems that he was mentally prepared to submarine his team and show his unhappiness with being there, but not to actually contribute.

If you dont see how this is a setback for actual mental health advocates - the NBA has an audience of black males (where mental health remains an uphill battle) and lower/middle class white men (where ignoring mental health is common) - I'm not sure what to say.

Edit - and, again, you refused to actually answer the question. Because you know what it implies.
It implies nothing. He could play the day after or 2 months after and it means nothing at all regarding his mental health. You are assuming everyone who has mental health issues should be acting a certain way. They do not act in a uniformed manner. Him showing up to practice "prepared enough" is showing up in sweatpants and a phone in his pocket now. Is that prepared or not prepared?

Almost anything you say as an excuse for him not being mentally ill can be made as an excuse for him being mentally ill.

Also, why is it black males and white men?

You do know the difference between calling someone a male and a man right? I know you didn't do it intentionally but eww.
 

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...it implies that whoever answered your question has some God-like ability to speculate with certainty about both the future and mental states (and numerous other variables). Perhaps you have those super-human powers, but just because others are more modest in how they project themselves into the future and into the heads of others doesn't mean you're right/they're wrong.

It might just be that they'd rather not speculate with no basis on which to do so. Consider it?
 

Kenny F'ing Powers

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...it implies that whoever answered your question has some God-like ability to speculate with certainty about both the future and mental states (and numerous other variables). Perhaps you have those super-human powers, but just because others are more modest in how they project themselves into the future and into the heads of others doesn't mean you're right/they're wrong.

It might just be that they'd rather not speculate with no basis on which to do so. Consider it?
So, just to confirm:

Its 100% approved on SoSH - an online discussion forum - to assert that Ben Simmons management team is being truthful about his mental health using nothing bit circumstantial events in his past.

But its NOT ok to question that statement with circumstantial events from his past.

I just want to be crystal clear about what I'm allowed to openly think or not think. Going forward, am I not allowed to question athletes motives?

As a SoSH dope, and with my history, I think it's more than fair to take your post as a, "shut up or be thread banned" statement. So, genuinely looking for clarification on how to proceed (or I suppose, not proceed due to my opinion).
 

Kenny F'ing Powers

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Also, why is it black males and white men?

You do know the difference between calling someone a male and a man right? I know you didn't do it intentionally but eww.
Until I get confirmation from dopes/mods that I'm allowed to respond with my opinion, I'll only respond to this.

Stop it.

You said yourself that you knew my intent. You decided to pointedly highlight a harmless statement regardless. If my intent was pure, what's your desired outcome here? Because it feels like, despite acknowledging no ill will or malicious intent, it's to paint a negative picture of my morality.

Fucking stop it.
 

Cesar Crespo

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Until I get confirmation from dopes/mods that I'm allowed to respond with my opinion, I'll only respond to this.

Stop it.

You said yourself that you knew my intent. You decided to pointedly highlight a harmless statement regardless. If my intent was pure, what's your desired outcome here? Because it feels like, despite acknowledging no ill will or malicious intent, it's to paint a negative picture of my morality.

Fucking stop it.
To educate. My bad.

A lot of people stopped calling women females but a lot of people still do. Not everyone is actually aware of the difference between man/male and woman/female.
 

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So, just to confirm:

Its 100% approved on SoSH - an online discussion forum - to assert that Ben Simmons management team is being truthful about his mental health using nothing bit circumstantial events in his past.

But its NOT ok to question that statement with circumstantial events from his past.

I just want to be crystal clear about what I'm allowed to openly think or not think. Going forward, am I not allowed to question athletes motives?

As a SoSH dope, and with my history, I think it's more than fair to take your post as a, "shut up or be thread banned" statement. So, genuinely looking for clarification on how to proceed (or I suppose, not proceed due to my opinion).
I've never said his management team is being necessarily entirely truthful. I don't think others have, either, though perhaps others have more deference in discussions on mental health given how sensitive they can be. My position is: I don't know so I'd rather not speculate. Nothing more complicated than that.

And definitely not a shut up or be banned statement! I'm long past the days when I care to mod others, and I don't think any implied threat in what I wrote -- certainly not my intention, anyway. :)
 

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Pretend he wasnt. Let's say he was traded tonight.

When do you think he plays his first game for his new team?
I don't have a dog in this fight but I just want to point out that if Simmons was traded tomorrow, he'd take at least a week to start playing. Notwithstanding everything else, he's clearly not in shape to play a NBA game.
 

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What about my second question? I think it goes hand in hand with the first.

I also think people are hesitant to answer, because they know what the outcome will be if/when hes traded.

If his mental health is an issue now, it's an issue when hes traded. The coincidence that would be involved for him to have mental health concerns prior to his first game with Philly, but have them alleviated enough to play immediately after being traded is...well, more than enough to question his motive.
I think that mental preparedness is pretty complicated and involves a whole lot of imputs, and changing a large number of those (location, uncertainty, pressure, surrounding support, trust, etc.) makes a big difference, and may make him more prepared to play than his current situation. Mental status and health isn't a sprained ankle.
 

Cesar Crespo

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I don't have a dog in this fight but I just want to point out that if Simmons was traded tomorrow, he'd take at least a week to start playing. Notwithstanding everything else, he's clearly not in shape to play a NBA game.
Even if he was in shape to play an NBA game, he'd probably miss the first game or two. The bums show up for game 1, not the stars.
 

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But he won't be. Plus I 100% believe leaving a certain situation can make people better "over night." Usually they are leaving a situation that is far worse than playing basketball for Philly but it happens. Or they start taking their meds again.

I just lost my cousin to suicide and they just found his body in the Hampton River. He was fine 2 months ago. Then he wasn't. What changed? He went off his meds.

Mental health can come and go quickly.
First, sorry for your loss. Truly.

Second, you get the difference between stopping medication and being traded, right? I’m not the arbiter of anyone else’s mental health, but I think most people can find the distinction here.
 

Cesar Crespo

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First, sorry for your loss. Truly.

Second, you get the difference between stopping medication and being traded, right? I’m not the arbiter of anyone else’s mental health, but I think most people can find the distinction here.

Yeah, but people react differently to situations and wanting out of Philly could be just part of the problem. We have no clue what Ben Simmons is going through and to act like he's faking it or mentally ill based off his behavior on court and in the media won't get us anywhere but hating each other.

I was the first to say it would the perfect fake injury. I said right after that I shouldn't assume he's faking. I don't know if he's ill or not. How I would act, how you would act, how our friends would act doesn't mean anything in regards to Ben Simmons.
 

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This thread needs a holiday. If some new development occurs, it can be re-opened later on.
 
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