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I'm sure this will help Daryl get the Harden type haul he's been asking for around the league. Trust the process indeed.


Ben Simmons tells #Sixers brass he no longer wants to be a Sixer and does not intend to report to training camp, according to multiple sources. https://inquirer.com/sixers/76ers-ben-simmons-trade-discussion-nba-training-camp-20210831.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo=… via @phillyinquirer
 

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I'm sure this will help Daryl get the Harden type haul he's been asking for around the league. Trust the process indeed.


Ben Simmons tells #Sixers brass he no longer wants to be a Sixer and does not intend to report to training camp, according to multiple sources. https://inquirer.com/sixers/76ers-ben-simmons-trade-discussion-nba-training-camp-20210831.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo=… via @phillyinquirer
Pompey quoting a Western Conf Exec who says he wants to play for one of three CA teams, which I interpret as Lakers, Clippers, and Warriors. Lakers obviously have nothing to offer. Doubt Clips would trade George for him but who knows.
 

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Didn't Simmons say that weeks ago?

Fake trade proposal:

Warriors get Simmons ($33m).

76ers get Dray ($24m) + Moody ($3.5m) + Looney ($5.1m) + unprotected Warriors '22 1st

Dray can't play with Simmons & he threw Kerr + Myers under the bus to feed his ego.
 

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Didn't Simmons say that weeks ago?

Fake trade proposal:

Warriors get Simmons ($33m).

76ers get Dray ($24m) + Moody ($3.5m) + Looney ($5.1m) + unprotected Warriors '22 1st

Dray can't play with Simmons & he threw Kerr + Myers under the bus to feed his ego.
Olshey should be trying his damndest to do a CJ + Simons + pick(s) for Simmons
 

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Can Draymond play with Embiid? He'd be a dire return for Philly.

Agreed that CJ is the best target for Philly, he'd fit great there. Problem is Simmons might refuse to report to Portland.
 
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Can Draymond play with Embiid? He's be a dire return for Philly.

Agreed that CJ is the best target for Philly, he'd fit great there. Problem is Simmons might refuse to report to Portland.
I know it is what it is in today's league, but it's crazy to me that a player as flawed as Ben Simmons with that amount of money coming to him would refuse to report.
 

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I know it is what it is in today's league, but it's crazy to me that a player as flawed as Ben Simmons with that amount of money coming to him would refuse to report.
It's the NBA. He can force his way to another team because if the 76ers hard balled him, no FA would ever sign there. Superstars hold all the power.

If there was any actual danger of him losing money, he'd be in Philly. I hope one day a team does play hard ball though. NO did for a little while.
 

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Can Draymond play with Embiid? He's be a dire return for Philly.

Agreed that CJ is the best target for Philly, he'd fit great there. Problem is Simmons might refuse to report to Portland.
I have no proof, but have to think Dame and Chauncey have a lot of NBA cred.

Dame/Simmons/Powell/Covington/Nance would be interesting
 

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Have to think this is part of the leverage game being played around Simmons not yet getting traded out of Philly.
That's rough. I wonder how that goes over around the league when agents start demanding trades for 2nd year players who aren't exactly established. I'm sure the other team wouldn't mind taking on Maxey. He has some promise and has 3 years left on his rookie deal.
 

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That's rough. I wonder how that goes over around the league when agents start demanding trades for 2nd year players who aren't exactly established. I'm sure the other team wouldn't mind taking on Maxey. He has some promise and has 3 years left on his rookie deal.
Yeah, it's hard enough for Philly to find a good enough package for Simmons alone. Maxey is a modest asset who Philly won't want to give away. This could get messy.
 

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Can Draymond play with Embiid? He's be a dire return for Philly.

Agreed that CJ is the best target for Philly, he'd fit great there. Problem is Simmons might refuse to report to Portland.
I think so? I think the reason Simmons is such a bad fit it his stubbornness & refusal to do other things. Dray & Simmons are way too similar to play together, but I think he fits fine with Embiid, & can also play backup center in other lineups.

Agree it's not amazing, but they don't have a ton of leverage. Could always put a Wiseman or Kuminga in instead of or in addition to Moody, especially if Maxey is going back the other way.

I was working on 3 or 4 team trades that involved Draymond going to a 3rd team a couple weeks ago, but not really sure where he be a great fit?

Maybe Simmons to Warriors, Dray to Blazers & CJ to 76ers, but meh.
 

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I think Simmons is far more valuable in a trade than Green. If GSW trades for Simmons it would have to be Green + IMO. And not 2022 GSW first, but more likely one of their recent lottery picks in addition to a first.
 

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A huge piece of Draymond's value is his superhuman connection with Curry with his screen setting and passing. Unless you are pairing him up with a Curry-like offensive presence he is considerably less valuable.
 

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A huge piece of Draymond's value is his superhuman connection with Curry with his screen setting and passing. Unless you are pairing him up with a Curry-like offensive presence he is considerably less valuable.
He’s also turning 32 in March.
 

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I think Simmons is far more valuable in a trade than Green. If GSW trades for Simmons it would have to be Green + IMO. And not 2022 GSW first, but more likely one of their recent lottery picks in addition to a first.
Yeah, my initial post was Dray + Moody + Looney + 2022 1st. But mix & match Wiseman/Kuminga/whatever as people see fit.
 

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A huge piece of Draymond's value is his superhuman connection with Curry with his screen setting and passing. Unless you are pairing him up with a Curry-like offensive presence he is considerably less valuable.
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Simmons to the Kings, for Fox, Tristan Thompson, and a lotto protected pick. .
 

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I know it is what it is in today's league, but it's crazy to me that a player as flawed as Ben Simmons with that amount of money coming to him would refuse to report.
To force a trade out of a city who has been merciless to him? It’s a no-brainer from my seat that he doesn’t report considering the Sixers are also looking to move from him. It forces their hand to do something sooner rather than later.
 

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To force a trade out of a city who has been merciless to him? It’s a no-brainer from my seat that he doesn’t report considering the Sixers are also looking to move from him. It forces their hand to do something sooner rather than later.
I think that “merciless” is rather strong. My impression is that both the city and the team have been patient and supportive of him. That support has eroded over the last 5 years to the point that he needs to get out of there and Morey’s asking for the Sun, Moon and Stars for him rather then making an actual good faith attempt to trade him justifies his refusal to report.
This will be fun to watch as long as he doesn’t get traded to the Celtics.
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I think that “merciless” is rather strong. My impression is that both the city and the team have been patient and supportive of him. That support has eroded over the last 5 years to the point that he needs to get out of there and Morey’s asking for the Sun, Moon and Stars for him rather then making an actual good faith attempt to trade him justifies his refusal to report.
This will be fun to watch as long as he doesn’t get traded to the Celtics.
:popcorn:
When you are constantly heckled by your own media, by your own fans and in your own arena to the point where you don’t want to return there yeah I’d call that merciless. Philly fans have a long history of running players out of town in a similar manner. I mean even his coach threw him under the bus in the post game presser about 4 minutes after his teammate did.

Simmons brings a lot of this on himself for sure. I’m only saying if I was in his shoes I wouldn’t be returning to that place bc when they treat you in this manner that place isn’t home.
 

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When you are constantly heckled by your own media, by your own fans and in your own arena to the point where you don’t want to return there yeah I’d call that merciless. Philly fans have a long history of running players out of town in a similar manner. I mean even his coach threw him under the bus in the post game presser about 4 minutes after his teammate did.

Simmons brings a lot of this on himself for sure. I’m only saying if I was in his shoes I wouldn’t be returning to that place bc when they treat you in this manner that place isn’t home.
I'm not saying you're doing this but laying this on the fans/media is convenient/silly. They have lavished love/cheers/praise on Ben for numerous years. Hell, they showed plenty of patience/love with Fultz, who ended up being an absolute zero. The breakdown is probably a 1000 fans cheering/wearing Simmons' jerseys vs. 1 idiot calling up local sports radio to whine. Does Philly even have a scribe as caustic as the CHB or as clueless as some of the 'EEI nitwits?

It is really Doc's/teammates' comments in the PG presser that are damning and relavent. That's why Klutch wants him out.
 

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I'm not saying you're doing this but laying this on the fans/media is convenient/silly. They have lavished love/cheers/praise on Ben for numerous years. Hell, they showed plenty of patience/love with Fultz, who ended up being an absolute zero. The breakdown is probably a 1000 fans cheering/wearing Simmons' jerseys vs. 1 idiot calling up local sports radio to whine. Does Philly even have a scribe as caustic as the CHB or as clueless as some of the 'EEI nitwits?

It is really Doc's/teammates' comments in the PG presser that are damning and relavent. That's why Klutch wants him out.
99.0% of radio hosts are just as clueless as the WEEI/TSH nitwits. That's what Sports Talk Radio is. Clueless (or pretending to be clueless) morons talking about sports. Philly also has some pretty negative writers. It is every bit as bad as Boston, if not worse.

Regardless, it's pretty clear that the 76ers organization threw Simmons under the bus during the playoffs and since. He should 100% want out. If a team throws a player under the bus, the media and fans will follow suit. Often times, it's the team leaking something to the media and fans to soften the blow of losing said player. Hell, look no further than Terry Francona and his exit from the Sox. A lot of it starts with front office leaks.

And how much love Philly has showed Simmons in the past is pretty irrelevant. Nomar went from hero to pariah, fans turn.
 

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I'm interested to see what Morey gets for him now.

I kind of feel like he cocked this one up but I'm bias because im not the biggest Morey fan.
 

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I'm interested to see what Morey gets for him now.

I kind of feel like he cocked this one up but I'm bias because im not the biggest Morey fan.
I don't think we can say for sure until he's actually dealt. It seems entirely possibly that Morey was asking for the world in exchange for Simmons just to make it look like he was trying to move him, although he as a reputation for starting negotiations that way. If he never intended to trade Simmons, I don't know that has to do so now - Simmons is under contract for 4 more years. That gives him time to either work it our or get a more reasonable deal.
 

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I figured Simmons was done after the team flamed out in the playoffs and both Embiid and Doc threw Simmons under the bus. Which by the way, they were not wrong in their statements, but Simmons' flaws played a gigantic role in his team losing. He hasn't shown any signs of offensive improvement since coming into the league and seems adverse to doing little things that would make himself and his team significantly better. I don't think he is wired to be a top-tier NBA player and I would not be giving up a ton to bring him in.
 

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I'm interested to see what Morey gets for him now.

I kind of feel like he cocked this one up but I'm bias because im not the biggest Morey fan.
On Bill Simmons' podcast, BS mentioned that Morey had called the Celtics and asked for Tatum.
 

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On Bill Simmons' podcast, BS mentioned that Morey had called the Celtics and asked for Tatum.
While the context matters this is exactly what Morey should be doing. The odds of success are terrible but in the off chance that someone might say yes, why not?
 

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I think that “merciless” is rather strong. My impression is that both the city and the team have been patient and supportive of him. That support has eroded over the last 5 years to the point that he needs to get out of there and Morey’s asking for the Sun, Moon and Stars for him rather then making an actual good faith attempt to trade him justifies his refusal to report.
This will be fun to watch as long as he doesn’t get traded to the Celtics.
:popcorn:
It's amazing that less than a year ago Simmons, Maxey, and some low firsts would have landed them James Harden. Now they'll be lucky to turn Simmons into CJ McCollum.
 

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While the context matters this is exactly what Morey should be doing. The odds of success are terrible but in the off chance that someone might say yes, why not?
I wonder how Morey's dealing with the laughter he undoubtedly hears on the other end of the line every time he proposes one of these absurd trades?
 

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While the context matters this is exactly what Morey should be doing. The odds of success are terrible but in the off chance that someone might say yes, why not?
The issue is about how much time Morey has to get something done--which still is somewhat unclear. If you are making asks like "Harden package" and "Tatum" you are at best creating a longer timeline and more hesitance from other teams to really seriously engage and make their own offers. That's fine initally, and if you have until November in your mind may still be fine. But at some point you have to get to a deal, too, and asks like that are not all that likely to get you there.
 

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Kings would (or should) be all over that deal

Fox/Haliburton for Simmons/Maxey also works
Interesting 2 for 2. I don't think I'd do that if I'm the Kings, though.

But Kings aren't even considered 1 of the 3 CA teams. I assume.
 

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It's amazing that less than a year ago Simmons, Maxey, and some low firsts would have landed them James Harden. Now they'll be lucky to turn Simmons into CJ McCollum.
I remain astonished that they didn’t make that deal and let Harden go to the direct competitor in their division that already had 2 HOF players on it.
 

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The issue is about how much time Morey has to get something done--which still is somewhat unclear. If you are making asks like "Harden package" and "Tatum" you are at best creating a longer timeline and more hesitance from other teams to really seriously engage and make their own offers. That's fine initally, and if you have until November in your mind may still be fine. But at some point you have to get to a deal, too, and asks like that are not all that likely to get you there.
Agreed with everything you've said.

Given that I think its unlikely that Bill Simmons gets looped into calls between Morey and other NBA front offices, we should likely contemplate these factors: (a) did this conversation actually happen? If so then... (b) the context matters. "hey Brad, if you give me Tatum for Simmons I will cover the tab at our next dinner" is different than "hello Bradley Stevens, this is Daryl Morey, give me your all star first round pick and I will give you mine!" and (c) Morey likely has several potential deals in place for Simmons and is waiting to see if something like an injury etc bails him out. Asking for the moon and stars away isn't likely to impact those other deals negatively.

In the end, this is all conjecture as I am not familiar with how NBA front offices work day to day. I haven't heard the pod - is BS actually suggesting that Morey is misreading the market? Because if so, that is a bold claim coming from a person who has been lapped by a lot of others in terms of their understanding of how the league works.
 

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Agreed with everything you've said.

Given that I think its unlikely that Bill Simmons gets looped into calls between Morey and other NBA front offices, we should likely contemplate these factors: (a) did this conversation actually happen? If so then... (b) the context matters. "hey Brad, if you give me Tatum for Simmons I will cover the tab at our next dinner" is different than "hello Bradley Stevens, this is Daryl Morey, give me your all star first round pick and I will give you mine!" and (c) Morey likely has several potential deals in place for Simmons and is waiting to see if something like an injury etc bails him out. Asking for the moon and stars away isn't likely to impact those other deals negatively.

In the end, this is all conjecture as I am not familiar with how NBA front offices work day to day. I haven't heard the pod - is BS actually suggesting that Morey is misreading the market? Because if so, that is a bold claim coming from a person who has been lapped by a lot of others in terms of their understanding of how the league works.
Yeah, I find it hard to believe that a smart guy like Morey would seriously propose something like that. If he has a personal relationship with these GMs, he could easily just make a sarcastic “hey, give me Tatum for Simmons” comment for all we know. Or, framed differently, a serious inquiry like “any way to get Tatum for Simmons +”? We all know the answer to that but no harm in asking the latter.
 

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He's a smart guy, but...well, I agree with the following
I remain astonished that they didn’t make that deal and let Harden go to the direct competitor in their division that already had 2 HOF players on it.
He's smart, but perhaps too clever by half. Not making that deal was an epic mistake. It would have made the 76ers title faves and precluded the current mess. So, yeah, Morey is smart -- but I'at the end of the day he might be too clever for his own good.

Though if it's true that the Kings are refusing to send Fox for Simmons, well that's another level of dumb.
 

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He's a smart guy, but...well, I agree with the followingHe's smart, but perhaps too clever by half. Not making that deal was an epic mistake. It would have made the 76ers title faves and precluded the current mess. So, yeah, Morey is smart -- but I'at the end of the day he might be too clever for his own good.

Though if it's true that the Kings are refusing to send Fox for Simmons, well that's another level of dumb.
I believe the story was that either Morey didn't want to deal with Harden after having him in Houston or that the Fertita's didn't want to deal Harden to Morey, who they obviously had a big falling out with.
 

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He's a smart guy, but...well, I agree with the followingHe's smart, but perhaps too clever by half. Not making that deal was an epic mistake. It would have made the 76ers title faves and precluded the current mess. So, yeah, Morey is smart -- but I'at the end of the day he might be too clever for his own good.

Though if it's true that the Kings are refusing to send Fox for Simmons, well that's another level of dumb.
Meh, I dunno. Simmons is really hard to build around and apparently Fox loves Sacramento. I wonder if the Kings would prefer Fox/Simmons over Haliburton/Simmons anyway. Though that trade would have to involve a lot of other pieces.

I wonder if there's some type of deal to be worked out around D'Angelo Russell. That would be a disaster return for Simmons, though.

It's going to be interesting to see where Simmons lands and what the return ends up being. I'm not sure Russell is all that much worse than CJ McCollum though.

Maybe Washington is a potential dark horse. Simmons is signed for 3 more years than Beal, though I'm not sure what good Simmons would do in Washington.

Maybe Cleveland and something around Colin Sexton. I don't see any trades that really work for Philly if they want to compete. There's the Draymond idea floating out there too.

Indiana and something around Brogdon? All these deals looks gross outside of Beal or Fox and I don't see those deals happening.

Too bad Marcus Smart can't be traded.

edit: Also offer Grant Williams for Maxey. Or Bruno, or Carsen.
 

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Wouldnt it be wonderful for a Simmons Beal deal. Beal refuses to sign long term and leaves for Boston after next year.

A man can dream.
 

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I'm not saying you're doing this but laying this on the fans/media is convenient/silly. They have lavished love/cheers/praise on Ben for numerous years. Hell, they showed plenty of patience/love with Fultz, who ended up being an absolute zero. The breakdown is probably a 1000 fans cheering/wearing Simmons' jerseys vs. 1 idiot calling up local sports radio to whine. Does Philly even have a scribe as caustic as the CHB or as clueless as some of the 'EEI nitwits?

It is really Doc's/teammates' comments in the PG presser that are damning and relavent. That's why Klutch wants him out.
Sure, if it was one idiot radio host and one idiot caller that’s one thing……..when it is EVERY host pouring gasoline on the fire while baiting every caller to hammer the kid even more that is something different.
 

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Sure, if it was one idiot radio host and one idiot caller that’s one thing……..when it is EVERY host pouring gasoline on the fire while baiting every caller to hammer the kid even more that is something different.
Look forward to reading about a sobbing Ben Simmons dialing Klutch "Rich, you have to get me out of Philly they are calling me a coward on the radio & in the papers." Then again he probably caught the first flight out of that stinking town after elimination and hasn't returned since. Smashing on the West coast all summer long is more likely.

I'll stick with Doc/teammates/fit/Calfornia Love as the reason he wants out
 

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Look forward to reading about a sobbing Ben Simmons dialing Klutch "Rich, you have to get me out of Philly they are calling me a coward on the radio & in the papers." Then again he probably caught the first flight out of that stinking town after elimination and hasn't returned since. Smashing on the West coast all summer long is more likely.

I'll stick with Doc/teammates/fit/Calfornia Love as the reason he wants out
I feel for the kid, because he's all kinds of fucked up. And the bus accident after that game makes it untenable for him to stay, agreed.

However...when my son and I watched him make that pass (in a motel room on vacation in Pensacola) we both stared at the TV for a minute and said simultaneously "did you fucking see that?".

He has to go. Doc might have been able to back track somehow...maybe. But Joel's comments on top, forget it. Fresh start time.

Rich Paul is fucking with the wrong guy in Morey, trying to move his hand for him. Big agent or not, Morey is fucking nuts enough to do whatever he wants. He'll cycle through these ludicrous deals and find something that works for him, not necessarily for Simmons or Paul.

"OMG treat my man right or we're gonna pull Tyrese fucking Maxey" is pretty funny shit.
 

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Morey has to move him and Paul's boss is one of the most powerful people in the NBA so at some point their incentives will align. Its easy for me to forget that these people seem to view each other as peers and coworkers moreso than rivals though that almost certainly exists too.

Regardless, these days it seems to be almost market standard to accede to a player's wishes.
 

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Are there any examples of a player forcing his way off a team with this many years remaining (4 years guaranteed)?
iirc Olajuwon tried it with a lot of years left on his deal in the late 80s, and the Rockets were just like "nah", and eventually rebuilt the team and won titles.

Edit: it was after the 92 season
 
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