Beltran: Elbow MRI

[glennhoffmania]

Yankees right fielder Carlos Beltran took himself out of Monday's 9-7 Subway Series loss against the Mets, and he was expected to have an MRI on his hyperextended right elbow later that night.
 
Beltran hurt the elbow taking batting cage swings around the seventh inning. John Ryan Murphy pinch hit for him when he was due up that frame.
 
Beltran told Joe Girardi he was done for the night, and the manager said he was concerned for his 36-year-old No. 3 hitter.
 
"I'm concerned because it was enough to take himself out of the game," Girardi said. "I didn't have a long conversation with him about how sore he was. He seemed pretty upset."
 
Beltran wasn't around after the game. The Yankees public relations staff said he was visiting a nearby hospital for the test.
 

 
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[LuckyBen]

So when is the Ells injury going to happen? I still don't understand what Cashman was expecting by signing Beltran. These nagging injuries will be inevitable.


And Torii Hunters hurt

 

[Year of Yaz]

So when is the Ells injury going to happen? I still don't understand what Cashman was expecting by signing Beltran. These nagging injuries will be inevitable.
And Torii Hunters hurt

I don't see Ellsbury being that big a risk as his injuries have seemed to be bad luck more than being fragile.

 

[mt8thsw9th]

I don't see Ellsbury being that big a risk as his injuries have seemed to be bad luck more than being fragile.

 
Getting run into by Beltre was bad luck, but he missed 116 games over 2012 and 2013 due to groin, wrist, and shoulder issues (which first cropped up in 2009). Even beginning 2010 he was kept out of the last week of Spring Training due to a sore arm. Nomar had a similar "bad luck" thing going until his body started to fall apart after age 30. I'm not going to bet on him getting hurt, but he's as big a risk as anyone.

 

[glennhoffmania]

Yankees outfileder Carlos Beltran could be headed for the 15-day disable list after hyperextending his right elbow during batting practice on Monday, according to NJ.com's Brendan Kuty. The results of the MRI performed on Monday night are not yet available.
 

 
The 17-year veteran is off to a slow start to his Yankees career, hitting just .234/.286/.430 with five home runs and 15 driven in over his first 140 plate appearances with the team. With Beltran out of the lineup, the Yanks will use Ichiro Suzuki and perhaps Kelly Johnson in his place.
 

 
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[jon abbey]

Beltran's splits before and after running into that wall in TB are astounding, he was killing it before that and has been awful ever since.

 

[glennhoffmania]

I just read a blurb on CBS that he has a bone spur, he'll rest for a few days, and if it doesn't improve he may have surgery.

 

[EvilEmpire]

Good timing ghoff.  I was just coming to post some details.  Beltran got a cortisone shot and will wait to see if the inflammation goes does down.  Sounds like he wants to get a second shot if necessary before succumbing to surgery. 
 
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2014/05/13/beltran-has-elbow-bone-spur/
 
Shawn Kelley just went on the DL and Zoilo Almonte coming up to help with the thin OF.  Which of course means the bullpen is a bit thin until they know if Beltran (or anyone else) needs to go on the DL.

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

Zoilo is a really cool name.  That's all I got.

 

[WenZink]

Zoilo is a really cool name.  That's all I got.

 
Zolio "Zorro" Versalles, 1965 AL MVP.  Two really cool names.

 

[orphan]

These are the players who were healthy at the start of the season, but are on the DL, or were there.
 
 
Robertson (closer)
Kelley (8th inning guy)
 
Sabathia (SP)
Pineda (SP)
Nova (SP)
 
Cervelli (Backup Catcher)
Tex (1st Baseman)
Beltran (RF)
 
 
Ouch! From Closer to SP to Starting 1st baseman to backups. Ouch! When it rains, it pours. 

 

[Bergs]

 
Getting run into by Beltre was bad luck, but he missed 116 games over 2012 and 2013 due to groin, wrist, and shoulder issues (which first cropped up in 2009). Even beginning 2010 he was kept out of the last week of Spring Training due to a sore arm. Nomar had a similar "bad luck" thing going until his body started to fall apart after age 30. I'm not going to bet on him getting hurt, but he's as big a risk as anyone.

 
I don't disagree with your larger point, but that shoulder injury was super-flukey and had nothing to do with any pre-existing susceptibility to shoulder issue.

 

[LondonSox]

 
These are the players who were healthy at the start of the season, but are on the DL, or were there.
 
 
Robertson (closer)
Kelley (8th inning guy)
 
Sabathia (SP)
Pineda (SP)
Nova (SP)
 
Cervelli (Backup Catcher)
Tex (1st Baseman)
Beltran (RF)
 
 
Ouch! From Closer to SP to Starting 1st baseman to backups. Ouch! When it rains, it pours. 
 

 
The sad part of that is that the pitching injuries are mainly to the younger guys, Beltran/ Tex not a big surprise.
Stars and scrubs with a lot of aging stars means the young stars HAVE to stay healthy.

 

[glennhoffmania]

Update:
 

“I’m concerned,” Cashman said. “Right now we have an injury and we’re obviously seeing if it’s responding to cortisone treatment. That has not declared itself yet, so it’s a concern.”
 
Cashman hadn’t spoken with Beltran as of Wednesday afternoon, but team trainers told the GM that the outfielder “feels kind of similar” as he did Tuesday.
 
“If he’s better, it’s by a hair,” Cashman said. “I do think a disabled list (stint) is a possibility at the very least as we wait and see how he responds to the shot. I’m not saying we’re disabling him, but it is a possibility.”
 
 

 

[Plympton91]

 
I don't disagree with your larger point, but that shoulder injury was super-flukey and had nothing to do with any pre-existing susceptibility to shoulder issue.

 
Right, the shoulder injury occurred when a shortstop fell on him, same thing as running into Beltre.
 
And, last year's games missed were mostly in September due to breaking a bone in his foot with a foul ball; the same injury Pedrioa had a few years ago.
 
Almost all of the games Ellsbury has missed have been due to those 3 incidents, and none of them are all predictive.

 

[glennhoffmania]

Can you stop hijacking every thread to discuss your issues with not resigning Ellsbury, Drew and Salty?

 

[RedOctober3829]

Sweeny Murti ‏@YankeesWFAN 1m
Carlos Beltran is not listed on today's lineup card/roster. Looks like DL
 

 

[HriniakPosterChild]

And it's official.
 
Beltran Put on D.L. With Elbow Injury
 

Hoping to avoid a surgical procedure that could sideline him for two months, Yankees right fielder Carlos Beltran began taking cortisone orally on Thursday to augment the cortisone injection he received in his right elbow Monday.
 
Beltran got a diagnosis of bone spurs in the elbow, and the Yankees placed him on the 15-day disabled list retroactive to Tuesday. The hope is that two weeks of rest and the cortisone will allow him to heal.
 
“If in 15 days it doesn’t get better, we have to make another decision,” Beltran said.
 
Beltran said doctors told him he would probably be out six to eight weeks if surgery was needed.
 

 

 

[RedOctober3829]

Mark Feinsand ‏@FeinsandNYDN 1m
According to source, Beltran will try to play through injury, but if pain is too much, he'll have surgery and miss approximately 2 months.
 

 

[jon abbey]

Assuming that goes badly (a reasonably safe assumption IMO), I think NY will try to sign Morales the day after the draft to be their primary DH, and play Soriano in RF. 

 

[glennhoffmania]

Why do they have to wait until the draft?  What pick would they be losing at this point?

 

[EvilEmpire]

Assuming that goes badly (a reasonably safe assumption IMO), I think NY will try to sign Morales the day after the draft to be their primary DH, and play Soriano in RF. 

 
I agree with this assessment.

 

[EvilEmpire]

Why do they have to wait until the draft?  What pick would they be losing at this point?

 
Why lose any pick when the draft is just around the corner?

 

[glennhoffmania]

Yeah I get that.  I just lost track of what picks they've already forfeited.  The "why do they have to wait" comment was more of a bad joke about how the Yankees don't really draft very well anyway so why bother.

 

[jon abbey]

They would lose a second round pick, and it's only two weeks away. They were never going to try to sign Drew IMO (I think the Tigers were) unless Jeter got hurt, but Boston doing so puts a slight bit of pressure on Hal to let Cashman get Morales. 

 

[glennhoffmania]

They would lose a second round pick, and it's only two weeks away. They were never going to try to sign Drew IMO (I think the Tigers were) unless Jeter got hurt, but Boston doing so puts a slight bit of pressure on Hal to let Cashman get Morales. 

 
Really?  Then I don't understand how the comp system works.  I'm assuming that McCann got a QO, and I thought Beltran might've, so wouldn't that be 3 picks forfeited?

 

[glennhoffmania]

Oh I see they forfeited comp picks, not 2nd and 3rd rounders.

 

[jon abbey]

Yeah, you lose your highest pick now, and a few of those were compensation ones.

 

[EvilEmpire]

The "why do they have to wait" comment was more of a bad joke about how the Yankees don't really draft very well anyway so why bother.

 
Hey, that's just mean.  And besides, our youngsters are doing better than your youngsters so far this season 

 

[glennhoffmania]

 
Hey, that's just mean.  And besides, our youngsters are doing better than your youngsters so far this season 

 
Sure but it's not really fair when your youngsters are in their early 30s.

 

[jon abbey]

Dunno who you mean, but it made me look up two birthdays: Tanaka is only 10 months older than Anthony Ranaudo (and about a billion times more expensive, but still). 

 

[glennhoffmania]

I was joking, implying that the "youngsters" are Ellsbury, Gardner, McCann, etc., compared to Jeter, Sabathia, Beltran, Kuroda, Teixeira, Roberts, Soriano.

 

[EvilEmpire]

I know it was a joke, but it got me curious too.
 
The average age of the Yankee active roster right now is 30.4.
The average age of the Red Sox active roster right now (not updated for Drew yet) is 30.9.
 
I wouldn't have guessed that.

 

[StuckOnYouk]

I assume that's the bullpens doing?

 

[StuckOnYouk]

So where is NY's first pick 50-55?

 

[jon abbey]

55th.

 

[EvilEmpire]

I assume that's the bullpens doing?

 
Edited:  Updated for kieckeredinthehead.   Added in DL players.  That puts the Yankee average age at 30.3 and the Red Sox at 29.6.  Red Sox numbers will go up a little when Drew comes up and Holt or Herrera goes down.  Assuming it is one of those two. 
 
Mostly.  That and catchers.

Yankees

Pitchers
31 Alfredo Aceves
26 Dellin Betances
26 Preston Claiborne
31 Matt Daley
39 Hiroki Kuroda
26 Vidal Nuno
27 David Phelps
29 David Robertson
25 Masahiro Tanaka
37 Matt Thornton
26 Adam Warren
24 Chase Whitley
30 Shawn Kelley (DL)
27 Ivan Nova (DL)
25 Michael Pineda (DL)
33 CC Sabathia (DL)
Avg: 28.8

Catchers
30 Brian McCann
23 John Ryan Murphy
28 Francisco Cervelli (DL)
Avg: 27

Infielders
39 Derek Jeter
32 Kelly Johnson
36 Brian Roberts
32 Brendan Ryan
26 Yangervis Solarte
34 Mark Teixeira
Avg: 33.1

Outfielders
24 Zoilo Almonte
30 Jacoby Ellsbury
30 Brett Gardner
40 Ichiro Suzuki
38 Alfonso Soriano
37 Carlos Beltran (DL)
Avg: 33.1

Overall Average: 30.3

http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/roster/_/name/nyy/type/active/new-york-yankees

Red Sox
Pitchers
31 Burke Badenhop
33 Craig Breslow
29 Clay Buchholz
35 Chris Capuano
26 Felix Doubront
35 John Lackey
30 Jon Lester
28 Andrew Miller
30 Edward Mujica
32 Jake Peavy
27 Junichi Tazawa
39 Koji Uehara
29 Steven Wright (DL)
Avg: 31.07

Catchers
37 A.J. Pierzynski
37 David Ross
Avg: 37

Infielders
21 Xander Bogaerts
29 Jonathan Herrera
25 Brock Holt
32 Mike Napoli
30 Dustin Pedroia
25 Will Middlebrooks (DL)
Avg: 27

Outfielders
24 Jackie Bradley Jr.
27 Mike Carp
33 Jonny Gomes
31 Grady Sizemore
33 Shane Victorino
Avg: 29.6

Designated Hitters
38 David Ortiz

Overall Average: 29.6

http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/roster/_/name/bos/type/active/boston-red-sox

 

[kieckeredinthehead]

I assume that's the bullpens doing?

And Sabathia being in the DL because he's old and fat. Notice the "active roster" qualifier.

 

[mt8thsw9th]

 
Why lose any pick when the draft is just around the corner?

 
Looking back at the Cashman era, the Yankees' own picks in the 2nd round have been:
 
1998: Randy Kiesler
1999: Tommy Winrow
2000: Danny Borrell
2001:Shelley "Curtaincall" Duncan
2002: no pick (Steve Karsay) - got a pick for Tino Martinez that turned out to be NFL superstar Brandon Weeden
2003: Estee Harris (good debut, and nothing else)
2004: no pick (Tom Gordon)
2005: no pick (Jaret Wright)
2006: no pick (Kyle Farnsworth)
2007: Austin Romine (decent prospect for a stretch that has so far been a bust)
2008: Scott Bittle (didn't sign due to health issues)
2009: JR Murphy (#4 prospect with a track record similar to Romine's)
2010: Angelo Gumbs (decent debut, no discipline and has gotten chewed up in his ascent, putting up horrific numbers in 2013 and 2014) 
2011: Sam Stafford (signing got nixed due to an issue with his physical)
2012: Peter O'Brien (unranked, good minor league power but awful plate discipline)
2013: Gosuke Katoh (#10 prospect, awful in A ball after good debut)
 
From these picks they've amassed a total -1.7 WAR. I mean, it's tough to give up a draft pick, but when you can't draft for shit it be be worth getting a useful player.
 
Conversely, the major leaguers that the Red Sox have drafted and signed (8 in total) have put together a WAR of 89.7 (Delcarmen, Shoppach, Lester, Pedroia, and Masterson included, with Wilson and Workman still active).

 

[jon abbey]

Murphy has looked good this year in the bigs and O'Brien has 17 HRs in A/AA already this season. 
 
NY had no problem giving up draft picks for signings this year, they did it three times. Obviously they didn't feel that Drew or Morales was worth it, same with every other team in baseball. 

 

[EvilEmpire]

And Sabathia being in the DL because he's old and fat. Notice the "active roster" qualifier.

Nova and Pineda are on the DL too. Adding in the DL doesn't change things much.

 

[jon abbey]

Finally had his elbow surgery today:

"Earlier today at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital, Carlos Beltran underwent surgery to remove loose pieces and a bone spur from his right elbow. 
The surgery was performed by Yankees Head Team Physician Dr. Christopher Ahmad. Beltran can begin throwing and hitting in approximately six weeks and can begin playing in approximately 12 weeks."
 
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2014/09/30/beltran-has-bone-spur-surgery