Baylor Scheierman - 30th pick, RD1

[ifmanis5]

Old. Lefty. Can shoot and pass.
View: https://youtu.be/tYIyDlo1ynU?si=xELzW4I0qPp767tg

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View: https://twitter.com/Shot_Quality/status/1613652210230992906

Baylor Scheierman is one of the best shooters in the country. He ranks in the 99th %ILE with 1.21 SQ PPP on high volume (71 attempts in 17 games). His lethal shooting was on display against Xavier, draining four second-half 3s.

View: https://twitter.com/Marc_DAmico/status/1806165611921207801

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Could be undervalued purely due to his age.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Houser replacement?

 

[ifmanis5]

View: https://twitter.com/RealBobManning/status/1806165956860809469

Scheierman will get the 30th slot on the rookie scale: $2.1M.

View: https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1806166432989995512

I was personally victimized by Baylor Scheierman during that Creighton/Oregon game. No further information will be provided, just needed to get that off my chest.

View: https://twitter.com/CTabatabaie/status/1806166369659957416

The moment Baylor Scheierman learned he had been drafted by the Celtics

 

[Ale Xander]

Bonus: Can be 3rd string QB for the Pats

https://www.tiktok.com/@maxpreps/video/7348896381127626030?lang=en

 

[slamminsammya]

Old. Lefty. Can shoot and pass.
View: https://youtu.be/tYIyDlo1ynU?si=xELzW4I0qPp767tg

View: https://youtu.be/GVlIIQPWkXc?si=HIFsB98hWrnJGtD5


View: https://youtu.be/iVrrNFfZvbU?si=IXpgu1N4LVf0rtLF


View: https://twitter.com/Shot_Quality/status/1613652210230992906

Baylor Scheierman is one of the best shooters in the country. He ranks in the 99th %ILE with 1.21 SQ PPP on high volume (71 attempts in 17 games). His lethal shooting was on display against Xavier, draining four second-half 3s.

View: https://twitter.com/Marc_DAmico/status/1806165611921207801

Anyone care to explain what ILE or PQ PPP are?

 

[BaseballJones]

Old. Lefty. Can shoot and pass.
View: https://youtu.be/tYIyDlo1ynU?si=xELzW4I0qPp767tg

View: https://youtu.be/GVlIIQPWkXc?si=HIFsB98hWrnJGtD5


View: https://youtu.be/iVrrNFfZvbU?si=IXpgu1N4LVf0rtLF


View: https://twitter.com/Shot_Quality/status/1613652210230992906

Baylor Scheierman is one of the best shooters in the country. He ranks in the 99th %ILE with 1.21 SQ PPP on high volume (71 attempts in 17 games). His lethal shooting was on display against Xavier, draining four second-half 3s.

View: https://twitter.com/Marc_DAmico/status/1806165611921207801

36.4% and 38.1% his last two years don’t smack of someone who “can really shoot it”. They’re not terrible numbers but nothing to go crazy over.

 

[slamminsammya]

36.4% and 38.1% his last two years don’t smack of someone who “can really shoot it”. They’re not terrible numbers but nothing to go crazy over.

Just look at the attempts. He’s clearly very elite shooting.

 

[Cornboy14]

Givony’s blurb says he might be the best movement shooter in the draft.

 

[TomRicardo]

Anyone care to explain what ILE or PQ PPP are?

%ILE is percentile. and PPP is points per possession.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

I hadn't followed the draft this year but this guy can really shoot. Is he the best shooter in the draft?

Doesn't miss in drills and the highlights show incredible range. Surprised he was available.

https://www.instagram.com/draftexpress/reel/C67JQlAO4HC/

 

[ifmanis5]

Anyone care to explain what ILE or PQ PPP are?

SQ PPP is shot quality per possession. Not sure about the other one.

 

[jmcc5400]

I hadn't followed the draft this year but this guy can really shoot. Is he the best shooter in the draft?

Doesn't miss in drills and the highlights show incredible range. Surprised he was available.

https://www.instagram.com/draftexpress/reel/C67JQlAO4HC/

Can’t wait for this guy to dominate summer league. LFG!

 

[Ale Xander]

36.4% and 38.1% his last two years don’t smack of someone who “can really shoot it”. They’re not terrible numbers but nothing to go crazy over.

His range is amazing.

They can go "real 4 corners" now with PP lol and Jrue and Al in the front

 

[slamminsammya]

%ILE is percentile. and PPP is points per possession.

thanks.

 

[Cellar-Door]

36.4% and 38.1% his last two years don’t smack of someone who “can really shoot it”. They’re not terrible numbers but nothing to go crazy over.

337/835 in his 4 years as a starter, good for 40.5% on enormous volume

 

[slamminsammya]

He's good insurance in case we can't keep Svi and lose his 30 minutes of garbage time.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Super interesting article on BS: https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/baylor-scheierman-shooting-for-the. One part with stats:

The big lefty can hit without setting his feet. Whether he’s coming left or right off a screen, he can send the ball home. When he does set his feet, though, he does a great job of getting his gather together in a hurry. His high release point and ability to hit from the logo stretches out a defense to the furthest degree, and even a hard closeout doesn’t guarantee a miss. This knack for hitting tough ones gives him tremendous versatility as a shooter.​

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So far this season, he’s hit 48% of his transition threes (25 attempts), 40.6% of his threes off screens (32 attempts), 53.8% of his threes as a pick-and-roll ball handler (13 attempts), and 41.2% of his threes in handoff settings (17 attempts). While Scheierman can knock down the easy ones (49.3% on uncontested catch-and-shoot threes), it’s his proclivity for knocking down difficult threes while coming off of different actions that makes him special. If a team wants shooting for their stars, Baylor Scheierman is one of the safest bets to bring that to the table.​

 

[Cellar-Door]

I think he might struggle a bit more than Hauser on D, but... he has more off the dribble scoring ability passing and rebounding... question in part will be how close is the shooting. Scheierman was very good in college on high volume.... Hauser was ABSURD in college as a shooter

 

[Ale Xander]

Super interesting article on BS: https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/baylor-scheierman-shooting-for-the. One part with stats:

The big lefty can hit without setting his feet. Whether he’s coming left or right off a screen, he can send the ball home. When he does set his feet, though, he does a great job of getting his gather together in a hurry. His high release point and ability to hit from the logo stretches out a defense to the furthest degree, and even a hard closeout doesn’t guarantee a miss. This knack for hitting tough ones gives him tremendous versatility as a shooter.​

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So far this season, he’s hit 48% of his transition threes (25 attempts), 40.6% of his threes off screens (32 attempts), 53.8% of his threes as a pick-and-roll ball handler (13 attempts), and 41.2% of his threes in handoff settings (17 attempts). While Scheierman can knock down the easy ones (49.3% on uncontested catch-and-shoot threes), it’s his proclivity for knocking down difficult threes while coming off of different actions that makes him special. If a team wants shooting for their stars, Baylor Scheierman is one of the safest bets to bring that to the table.​

SSS but I'm in love.

 

[SteveF]

ShotQuality Points Per Possession (SQPPP) Long Definition:
ShotQuality Points:

• ShotQuality estimates the probability that any shot is made more missed, and credits the shooter with the expected points (ShotQuality Points) on that shot
• A 90 percent free throw shooter may shoot 8 for 10 in a game, but based on his 90 percent average, we credit him with 9 ShotQuality points, since we would expect a 9 for 10 performance if he took the same shots again.
• A 30 percent three-point shooter takes 10 threes in a game, and she makes 5. If she were to take the same shots again, we would expect her to make 3. So while she scored 15 points, we only credit her with 9 ShotQuality points.
• The underlying model considers complex basketball factors, like defensive impact, shooter ability, time and score, playtype factors, and more.

ShotQuality points per possession measures a player's expected scoring efficiency based on their ability and the quality of scoring opportunities. If we replayed every shot taken by a player, how many points do we expect them to score per opportunity?
Additionally, this metric helps eliminate the randomness in basketball, like hot and cold streaks, and better measure player ability and how well or poorly we can expect them to play in the future.

 

[ifmanis5]

View: https://twitter.com/taylorcsnow/status/1806169804614533535

Celtics draft pick Baylor Scheierman is the only player in Division I men's history with at least 2,000 points (2,233), 1,000 rebounds (1,256), 500 assists (580), and 300 three-pointers (356).

TL;DR, he's basically Luka.

 

[slamminsammya]

Are these shot quality models more predictive of anything? Its a nice idea but I am curious what their evaluation metrics look like. And what they even choose for those.

 

[SteveF]

Are these shot quality models more predictive of anything? Its a nice idea but I am curious what their evaluation metrics look like. And what they even choose for those.

Pretty dicey for prospects right? There's a little bit of question begging insofar as you are using what you are trying to measure as an element of the measurement. How can I use the quality of the shooter if the quality of the shooter is what I'm purporting to measure.
I would say it makes sense to adjust for shot location and shot difficulty (e.g. pullup vs catch and shoot, off screen, off DHO, nearest defender, quality of defender and so on).

 

[Auger34]

I think he might struggle a bit more than Hauser on D, but... he has more off the dribble scoring ability passing and rebounding... question in part will be how close is the shooting. Scheierman was very good in college on high volume.... Hauser was ABSURD in college as a shooter

If you mean Hauser coming out of the draft, yeah. If you mean Hauser of today, Scheierman is much, much worse on defense.
I would guess he spends next year in Maine because his defense just isn’t good enough for Boston

 

[slamminsammya]

There's a little bit of question begging insofar as you are using what you are trying to measure as an element of the measurement. How can I use the quality of the shooter if the quality of the shooter is what I'm purporting to measure.

This was my most immediate concern when looking at their little blurb. I am also not sure what it is supposed to be telling you. How good their shot selection is? How lucky/unlucky they were? Quality of the offense they were in? What do I do with a "92nd percentile in SQ PPP"?

 

[The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa]

Cool, we drafted Chuck Cunningham. I always wondered what happened to him.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Cool, we drafted Chuck Cunningham. I always wondered what happened to him.

 

[Van Everyman]

Wait, Brad used a 1st rounder to pick a guy?

 

[ifmanis5]

View: https://twitter.com/RealBobManning/status/1806175872593899995

Scheierman combine measurements: 6-6 1/4 height (should get to 6-7 with shoes) 6-8 3/4 wingspan 8-6 1/2 standing reach 9.25 hand length 9.75 hand width 201.6 pounds (will need some muscle) Shot 88% at combine on left corner 3s T-highest 27.5 standing vertical

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

deep dive by a Cs podcaster. Highlights start about 11 minute mark.

View: https://youtu.be/1P9LJG7A7I4?si=b0KAlGJC-pFHkoSP

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

View: https://twitter.com/RealBobManning/status/1806175872593899995

Scheierman combine measurements: 6-6 1/4 height (should get to 6-7 with shoes) 6-8 3/4 wingspan 8-6 1/2 standing reach 9.25 hand length 9.75 hand width 201.6 pounds (will need some muscle) Shot 88% at combine on left corner 3s T-highest 27.5 standing vertical

He apparently was the best player on the floor in the combine scrimmages, including playing credible defense. Givony discussing on IG at this link: https://www.instagram.com/draftexpress/reel/C6-CvY0NEtL/

 

[reggiecleveland]

I mean he could be a good guy to go with our stars in a couple of years.

 

[bankshot1]

Its always nice to have a 2nd Hauser. A get away, just in case.

I know zip about the guy but watching some of his tapes he looks slow and not terribly athletic

 

[DGreenwood]

He made every three I saw him take in his highlight reels. Seems like a keeper.

 

[brendan f]

I think he might struggle a bit more than Hauser on D, but... he has more off the dribble scoring ability passing and rebounding... question in part will be how close is the shooting. Scheierman was very good in college on high volume.... Hauser was ABSURD in college as a shooter

I said something similar in the draft thread. He will almost certainly not shoot as well as Hauser. The question is whether his passing and rebounding translate well enough for him to make up for it.

 

[djbayko]

Houser replacement?

Hauser or Eddie House(r)?

 

[ALiveH]

Who's the type of player who at least has a shot at getting some run on these celtics? It would have to be one of these or a combo of these archetypes:

seasoned college player,
defensive specialist who isn't asked to do too much on offense except be a passable 3-point threat,
3-point specialist who doesn't kill you too badly with his defense, or
a big man who can give you at least half the versatility of a KP or big Al.

I like the pick.

He fits 2 / 4 of the archetype I expected. Seasoned college player / 3-point specialist. Remains to be seen if his defense could develop or be playable. At least he seems like he'd pass and rebound decently well. For a wing, average size. If he can get at least Jordan Walsh NBA minutes (about 100 total minutes across regular season + playoffs), plus a lot of G-league run that would just about fit expectations.

He reminds me a little bit of Nesmith if he develops - that would be a useful player. Scheierman is not as bad an athlete as people might think (folks tend to focus on his below-average vertical leap which is not a big part of positional defense) so the defensive potential is there. At the combine (77 prospects competed) he was: 81st percentile lane agility, 72nd percentile shuttle run, 80th percentile sprint so the defensive potential is there.

Speaking of Walsh, Scheierman is also complementary to Walsh's skillset - Walsh is basically the other extreme at the wing position - a defensive specialist who needs to be at least passable at shooting and not bog down the offense. They could actually develop in parallel at the wing position without being redundant.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

The numbers posted in the Tweet above suggests he can board. As has been well documented, the Cs like the corner crash so his ability to shoot and grab rebounds definitely fits a type.

 

[benhogan]

he's kind of like Drew Peterson

 

[BaseballJones]

337/835 in his 4 years as a starter, good for 40.5% on enormous volume

Yesh I’m just looking at his last two years.

 

[reggiecleveland]

He made every three I saw him take in his highlight reels. Seems like a keeper.

There is a running joke of coaches when agents, coaches, or parents (when I coached college) send you a film of a guy they want you to recruit. "Man this guy never misses!" Never gets old.

 

[tbrown_01923]

The slot is ~$2MM approximately the same as the vet minimum. I suspect he gets signed and we'll see if he develops. They have done a great job coaching up pritch and hauser on D, remains to be seen on Drew Peterson. Those down side comps are a bit ludicrous... max strus? Come on.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

he's kind of like Drew Peterson

Except for the wife killing thing.

can’t believe we got him!

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Not that he's going to be asked to do a lot of this at the beginning but he "ranked 99th percentile in points per possession scoring out of the pick-and-roll, per Synergy. Scheierman still ranked 98th percentile even when adding in his passes". If there are bets for making the GLeague all-star team, maybe place one on him now.

cite: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5595744/2024/06/27/celtics-nba-draft-creighton-baylor-scheierman/

 

[lovegtm]

Not that he's going to be asked to do a lot of this at the beginning but he "ranked 99th percentile in points per possession scoring out of the pick-and-roll, per Synergy. Scheierman still ranked 98th percentile even when adding in his passes". If there are bets for making the GLeague all-star team, maybe place one on him now.

cite: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5595744/2024/06/27/celtics-nba-draft-creighton-baylor-scheierman/

The JT/JB Celtics thrive with guys who can play off advantages in space. He won't be running PnR for Boston, but that ability probably translates to attacking closeouts and making plays on the fly.

Hauser has worked on this, but he's not that good at it currently. It's basically floater/midrange jumper or nothing when he gets into space.

 

[RG33]

Misquote

 

[RG33]

he's kind of like Drew Peterson

I was gonna come in with a “Modern Day Brad Lohaus” take.

 

[bosockboy]

View: https://twitter.com/john_fanta/status/1806164946129944684?s=46

 

[benhogan]

Not that he's going to be asked to do a lot of this at the beginning but he "ranked 99th percentile in points per possession scoring out of the pick-and-roll, per Synergy. Scheierman still ranked 98th percentile even when adding in his passes". If there are bets for making the GLeague all-star team, maybe place one on him now.

cite: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5595744/2024/06/27/celtics-nba-draft-creighton-baylor-scheierman/

Thx for posting.

If we're going to use a First I'm glad Brad used it on this type of player (experienced, full-grown, succeeded at the NCAA level) instead of paying a 19-year-old lottery ticket. They'll know quickly if he has the chops to understand Celtic concepts/add value against opposing bench players. Suspect this was their target for a while (had him in pre-draft)

Teams like Miami (Jaquez Jr) and GSW (TJD/Podz) were criticized for taking older draft picks last season & it worked out fine for them.

ALSO don't believe its the end of the Hauser Era, probably means they are leaning more into that archetype.

Hate to say it but love the Lakers pick. Dalton Knecht will be playable Day 1 in JJ's system.