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Kenny F'ing Powers

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Just a few snippets after the game from one of (the?) most despicable teams in professional sports.

Vancouver coach Alain Vigneault, whose team was outmuscled in the Stanley Cup finals, thought the Bruins were still too physical.
"Our guys played whistle to whistle," he said. "It's hard to play that way when the other team gets two or three extra (hits) in after the whistle."

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Henrik Sedin put the Canucks ahead to stay at 19:47 after Marchand was given a game misconduct and a clipping penalty for upending Sami Salo with a low hit.
"It (also) happened last year in the playoffs," Henrik Sedin said.

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"This isn't boxing," Canucks defenseman Kevin Bieksa said. "They're one of the biggest, strongest teams in the league, but it comes down to skill."
Per the Vancouver Sun...

Salo was so angry at the hit, which was assessed a major clipping penalty and game misconduct, that with his good arm he heaved his stick into the air before skating off.
Canuck general manager Mike Gillis was almost too angry to speak.
“You talk about unacceptable plays in hockey,” Gillis fumed. “That's clearly one. I'm not going to comment any further.”

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“It's very, very cheap,” Canuck defenceman Kevin Bieksa said. “I can't think of a cheaper hit you can do on the ice. That and a slew-foot kind of go hand in hand. Twenty seconds before that, [Marchand] and Sami have a pretty good collision in the exact same spot. Sami probably gets the better of him. Then second time, Marchand comes back and loses his will and goes down low. A cheap shot from him, and I hope he gets a phone call from the league.”
This team flopped, dove, baited, and attacked a player 5 on 1. They then cried about Marchand--"It happened last year in the playoffs", "This isn't boxing"--while one of their players actually went lower on Campbell earlier in the game, hip checking him right at the knee.

I usually get fired up to watch the Bruins play teams I hate. If I never see this Vancouver team again, I would be completely satisfied. There is nothing redeemable, likeable, or enjoyable about watching Vancouver. Even Montreal isn't this bad, and that's obviously saying something. If their plane crashed on the way back to that shithole across the country, I'd feel no sympathy. Fuck you Vancouver.

 

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Its good for the rivalry, I have no doubts that the referees were instructed to give some calls to Vancouver for ratings purposes the next time these teams meet. Because lets face it the NHL doesn't have many "mainstream" rivalries anymore that casual fans care about. That being said, jumping a player 5 on 1 is the most gutless thing that you can do. I'm sure in the Canucks eyes the cheap shot on Horton last year was clearly a "good hockey play".
 

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My guess is Bieksa wasn't that pissed about it when Ballard did it earlier in the game.

Or when Raymond did it to Marchand in the finals last year...

Or when Ballard almost killed Jaime McGinn doing it last year...

God I hate that team so much.
 

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Its good for the rivalry, I have no doubts that the referees were instructed to give some calls to Vancouver for ratings purposes the next time these teams meet. Because lets face it the NHL doesn't have many "mainstream" rivalries anymore that casual fans care about.
Pretty much everything about these 2 sentences is 100% wrong.
 

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Pretty much everything about these 2 sentences is 100% wrong.
Not necessarily, I'm looking at it from the perspective that the NHL is not a mainstream sport, its a regional one. If you want to evolve a sport from regional to mainstream you need to create rivalries that people outside of the existing region will care about. Just because we care about the history with the Bruins/Habs doesn't mean someone out in San Antonio TX will. Maybe its a bad example, but the point is to expand the tv audience and grab their interest.

Back to this though, how can you say with certainty that the NHL didn't tell these refs "it might benefit all parties to call this game a certain way if it seems like the call could go either way" to generate more interest. Its not anything that is really so out there it has to be discounted immediately. Just throwing it out there, that's all. Again the chances aren't great this happened by any means, but its logical in the big picture of expanding an audience and creating a buzz.
 

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Even Montreal isn't this bad, and that's obviously saying something.
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I'm at this point too. The 6 on 1 was awful, whining about Marchand is a joke since they've got two guys in Ballard and Hamhuis that do the same thing all the fucking time, but you know what completely blew my mind? This:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J08ogZ2erU

At least Montreal will put their money where their mouths are. Weise is willing to go with Horton, but after sitting there chirping at Thornton before the puck drop he just skates backwards with his arms out and that stupid expression on his face after Thornton throws down the gloves? What the...? It blows my mind.
 

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Pretty much everything about these 2 sentences is 100% wrong.
You don't think the league cares about NESN's ratings for the regular season Bruins-Canucks game in 2012-13? You only think that because you're in on it. WHO ARE YOU PROTECTING TFP?
 

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Not necessarily, I'm looking at it from the perspective that the NHL is not a mainstream sport, its a regional one. If you want to evolve a sport from regional to mainstream you need to create rivalries that people outside of the existing region will care about. Just because we care about the history with the Bruins/Habs doesn't mean someone out in San Antonio TX will. Maybe its a bad example, but the point is to expand the tv audience and grab their interest.
San Antonio, TX won't care one whit about Boston - Vancouver either. Not discounting the many other rivalries that always exist. Yep, still wrong.

Back to this though, how can you say with certainty that the NHL didn't tell these refs "it might benefit all parties to call this game a certain way if it seems like the call could go either way" to generate more interest. Its not anything that is really so out there it has to be discounted immediately. Just throwing it out there, that's all. Again the chances aren't great this happened by any means, but its logical in the big picture of expanding an audience and creating a buzz.
Because the NHL is not the NBA. Yes, I can say with certainty that the NHL didn't tell the refs to tilt the calls Vancouver's way in some moronic ratings driving controversy during a game that was on 1pm Eastern time on NESN. Chances this happened are zero.

Consider this immediately discounted.
 

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Yes, it did.

For what it's worth, I consider a hip check like this and even Ballard's earlier in the game different, especially when the defenseman is skating backwards and then pinches the skater against the boards.

The one that is exactly like Marchand's is Mason Raymond's in the finals last year. Standing still and then ducking an oncoming hit.
 

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Not necessarily, I'm looking at it from the perspective that the NHL is not a mainstream sport, its a regional one. If you want to evolve a sport from regional to mainstream you need to create rivalries that people outside of the existing region will care about. Just because we care about the history with the Bruins/Habs doesn't mean someone out in San Antonio TX will. Maybe its a bad example, but the point is to expand the tv audience and grab their interest.

Back to this though, how can you say with certainty that the NHL didn't tell these refs "it might benefit all parties to call this game a certain way if it seems like the call could go either way" to generate more interest. Its not anything that is really so out there it has to be discounted immediately. Just throwing it out there, that's all. Again the chances aren't great this happened by any means, but its logical in the big picture of expanding an audience and creating a buzz.
No, this is not how things happen, because this is not the WWE. Referees are not biased or under league orders to call things a certain way to give a particular team an edge. They are sometimes incompetent but for the most part just physically unable to keep up with the speed and power of today's athletes and resistant to using modern HD video technology to aid them in clear cut calls (such as "did that stick actually hit him in the face or did he throw back his head like he took a 30.06 round because he's a dipshit?" or "did Player A commit a penalty that we didn't see live to provoke Player B into committing the penalty we did see?") because if they admit that they can't physically see everything that happens in today's sports and that the "human element outweighs actually getting the call right because that's the way we've always done it and nevermind that the athletes actually playing the game are still human no matter what technology aids calling the game" argument is bullshit then their job is threatened. I know that explanation is unsatisfying, but on balance, so is life.
 

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San Antonio, TX won't care one whit about Boston - Vancouver either. Not discounting the many other rivalries that always exist. Yep, still wrong.


Because the NHL is not the NBA. Yes, I can say with certainty that the NHL didn't tell the refs to tilt the calls Vancouver's way in some moronic ratings driving controversy during a game that was on 1pm Eastern time on NESN. Chances this happened are zero.

Consider this immediately discounted.
Then my friend we will agree to disagree on this one. I'm not talking about generating ratings on NESN, I'm talking about creating a buzz for the teams and the league as a whole. But again my opinion is just as valuable as yours.

Either way should be fun to watch the next time these teams play. Doesn't take away from the fact that the Canucks are the worst type of team. They have no problem baiting or taking part in cheap hits themselves, but when it comes time for them to pay up, they cower or just run away.
 

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No, this is not how things happen, because this is not the WWE. Referees are not biased or under league orders to call things a certain way to give a particular team an edge. They are sometimes incompetent but for the most part just physically unable to keep up with the speed and power of today's athletes and resistant to using modern HD video technology to aid them in clear cut calls (such as "did that stick actually hit him in the face or did he throw back his head like he took a 30.06 round because he's a dipshit?" or "did Player A commit a penalty that we didn't see live to provoke Player B into committing the penalty we did see?") because if they admit that they can't physically see everything that happens in today's sports and that the "human element outweighs actually getting the call right because that's the way we've always done it and nevermind that the athletes actually playing the game are still human no matter what technology aids calling the game" argument is bullshit then their job is threatened. I know that explanation is unsatisfying, but on balance, so is life.
Right and this is probably the best explanation for it. However, all I was saying is that it can't be discounted as stranger stuff has happened. That's all.
 

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Its a figure of speech, jeez
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Then my friend we will agree to disagree on this one. I'm not talking about generating ratings on NESN, I'm talking about creating a buzz for the teams and the league as a whole. But again my opinion is just as valuable as yours.

Either way should be fun to watch the next time these teams play. Doesn't take away from the fact that the Canucks are the worst type of team. They have no problem baiting or taking part in cheap hits themselves, but when it comes time for them to pay up, they cower or just run away.
Except for your opinion fucking sucks and drips of nitwit sports radio conspiracy theory bunk. That the powers that be in the NHL sit in some bunker with beakers and come up with some nifty way to a) put the screws to a certain team and b) move the sport past regional acceptance and into the mainstream. It's laughable. Any other "opinions" you just want to "throw out there" to help explain things for us better??
 

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Except for your opinion fucking sucks and drips of nitwit sports radio conspiracy theory bunk. That the powers that be in the NHL sit in some bunker with beakers and come up with some nifty way to a) put the screws to a certain team and b) move the sport past regional acceptance and into the mainstream. It's laughable. Any other "opinions" you just want to "throw out there" to help explain things for us better??
Look, I didn't mean to highjack this thread at all, I was just throwing something out there for conversation, that's all. If my opinion "fucking sucks" then fine whatever lets move on.
 

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I think the refs were prepared to call a tight game by all of the Canucks whining and hey maybe the disciplinary team told them to not let this game get out of control. That backfired, obviously. I do think they called it tight on both sides while the Bruins suffered from a couple of horrendous calls that were of the "guilty because we said so and didn't really see it or understand what was going on" nature. I don't think there is any grand conspiracy. I do think the game would have been called differently in the playoffs and particularly in the cup finals because the officiating dictated the game and determined the outcome and I don't think the NHL really wants that to happen in the playoffs.

edit: also, yes, fuck Vancouver.
 

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There's no conspiracy. The game got out of hand because Don VanMassenhoven doesn't know how to control a hockey game.
 

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I really don't want to see this team in the Finals again. Why? Because the Bruins fell for their bullshit.

The Bruins are the champions and have been steamrolling everyone. 5-on-5 there's no team that can match them. It was clear from the opening whistle that the Canucks were trying to get under their skin and get them to become emotional and make mistakes, because they weren't going to beat them even-up (especially on the road). And they took advantage of the power plays to get the lead, and eventually the win. I don't care if it's payback; Marchand needs to be smarter than that.

I'd hope if they had a finals rematch that Claude would be able to get the team to focus, ignore (most of) the extracurriculars and play their game. If they do that they are really tough to beat. But he and the team failed to do that yesterday. That's fine because it's just one game, no one got hurt and even if Marchand is suspended they can handle his loss. But if the Finals were played like that (and refereed like that) it really hurts our chances.
 

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The assignment of officials to regular season games is a bit of a political process, so there's always a chance of getting the B team (or the D team) for an A game, and this is what happened. I'm sure the league told the officials to expect problems; but that doesn't excuse the officials for the way the called the game.

I can understand the Marchand call. The refs do need to make the call in real time, and what they saw was Marchand go low and upend Salo; that's a penalty. They don't have the luxury of spending 30 minutes going over multiple angle videos of the play and calling a hearing on the ice. They also can't go back and think well, that wasn't a penalty during the finals last year, so it's OK if Marchand does it. If anything, Marchand is getting a reputation, one that will cause the officials to not give him the benefit of the doubt.

However, the 5-on-3 and the Lucic call were inexcusable, and the league should privately give the refs a ration of shit for allowing that to happen. However, the Bruins had their chances, but went something like 0 for 5 on the PP, failed on a penalty shot, and took too many stupid penalties that caused them to skate shorthanded for too much of the game.
 

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I really don't want to see this team in the Finals again. Why? Because the Bruins fell for their bullshit.

The Bruins are the champions and have been steamrolling everyone. 5-on-5 there's no team that can match them. It was clear from the opening whistle that the Canucks were trying to get under their skin and get them to become emotional and make mistakes, because they weren't going to beat them even-up (especially on the road). And they took advantage of the power plays to get the lead, and eventually the win. I don't care if it's payback; Marchand needs to be smarter than that.

I'd hope if they had a finals rematch that Claude would be able to get the team to focus, ignore (most of) the extracurriculars and play their game. If they do that they are really tough to beat. But he and the team failed to do that yesterday. That's fine because it's just one game, no one got hurt and even if Marchand is suspended they can handle his loss. But if the Finals were played like that (and refereed like that) it really hurts our chances.
I think Detroit could absolutely match them, Pittsburgh also with Crosby's health permitting. I don't think its a fatal flaw that the Bruins were caught up in the theatrics of the Canucks, its something that should be addressed and will be fixed. Again, this is similar to the stuff that the Habs pull only to a higher level.
 

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There is only one response you have to have with this team.

"It must be frustrating to lose the Stanley Cup on your home ice. It must still bother them. A lot.... I'm going to go polish my ring now."
 

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I really don't want to see this team in the Finals again. Why? Because the Bruins fell for their bullshit.

The Bruins are the champions and have been steamrolling everyone. 5-on-5 there's no team that can match them. It was clear from the opening whistle that the Canucks were trying to get under their skin and get them to become emotional and make mistakes, because they weren't going to beat them even-up (especially on the road). And they took advantage of the power plays to get the lead, and eventually the win. I don't care if it's payback; Marchand needs to be smarter than that.

I'd hope if they had a finals rematch that Claude would be able to get the team to focus, ignore (most of) the extracurriculars and play their game. If they do that they are really tough to beat. But he and the team failed to do that yesterday. That's fine because it's just one game, no one got hurt and even if Marchand is suspended they can handle his loss. But if the Finals were played like that (and refereed like that) it really hurts our chances.
As much as I agree with your assessment that the Bruins lost control of themselves and fell for the shit the Canucks were giving, I also feel like this wasn't just a matter of what happened yesterday. I think the Bruins have been wanting this game since Burrows bit Bergeron's finger, and even more so since Horton got taken out. Especially after listening to these pricks talk so much shit all off season and especially this week leading up to this game, I think the Bruins may have been more worried about making a statement before the game even started.

I think they showed in the finals that they can be a very disciplined team when they want to be (let's be honest, how many times did everyone else here yell, "Kill that motherfucker!!!" at their TV screens in that series?? I know I did a lot.), and they also proved that they are a much better 5-on-5 team than Vancouver yesterday. I honestly think that if the opening salvo, after Thornton gets mauled 5-on-1, goes the other (right?) way, and the B's get a power play there, this game turns out completely different.

I'm also not too worried about a regular season game that they were obviously emotional going into, though I agree with the above setiment that I wouldn't bat an eye if thei plane went down on the way home.

As an aside, how much of a suspension do you think it would be for slugging their smug ass coach in the face?
 

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There's no conspiracy. The game got out of hand because Don VanMassenhoven doesn't know how to control a hockey game.
This is absolutely correct. If the refs were smart, after the first brawl they would have let the Campbell-Lapierre and Thornton-Wiese fights go but after that called anything close. Instead, there was tons of chippy shit during play and tough guy shit after every whistle with no penalties called. It wouldn't have even been so bad if they were calling weak shit the entire time, like Seguin's tripping, but I counted at least 3 cross-checks uncalled in the third period alone. They were wildly inconsistent and didn't manage the game at all.
 

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My favorite subplot was Ballard-Horton. Something tells me they weren't going out and grabbing dinner on the road together when they were on Florida.
 

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This one?

Did Raymond get a penalty for it? If not, why is Marchand getting a hearing for it?

For what it's worth, I consider a hip check like this and even Ballard's earlier in the game different, especially when the defenseman is skating backwards and then pinches the skater against the boards.

The one that is exactly like Marchand's is Mason Raymond's in the finals last year. Standing still and then ducking an oncoming hit.
 

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I have to agree Vancouver is a despicable bunch of pussies. I wish the Bruins could have held it together to kick their collective asses yesterday. But, it's a regular season game. They move on. Hope Marchand doesn't get too "Shanabanned".
 

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Imagine how you guys would feel about them if they'd won last year?

Honestly that entire team embodies the spirit of Claude Lemieux...outside of the clutch playoff performer part, obviously. The only one I like is Kesler...they should trade him.
 

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I'm at this point too. The 6 on 1 was awful, whining about Marchand is a joke since they've got two guys in Ballard and Hamhuis that do the same thing all the fucking time, but you know what completely blew my mind? This:


At least Montreal will put their money where their mouths are. Weise is willing to go with Horton, but after sitting there chirping at Thornton before the puck drop he just skates backwards with his arms out and that stupid expression on his face after Thornton throws down the gloves? What the...? It blows my mind.
I love Weiss at 35 seconds asking, "for what? for what?"

For being a p*ssy, you tool.
 

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As the lone Canuck fan, I disagree with you guys. I am not here to argue, flame, etc. I watch most all of the Canucks games, and last year I thought the Bruins gooned it up a bit much. Yes, Vancouver was guilty of playing the goon game too, but from my perspective, it was Boston who got them playing that way. I think Boston is the more physical of the teams, and the way to beat the Canucks is to out physical them. They did that in the Finals. Vancouver did it yesterday. I know you won't agree, but I think it is whichever team you back, the other is the one you think is dirty.
 

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Thornton whining that Burrows speared him in the throat is pretty weak. The B's have prided themselves in being a team that kept their yaps shut and let their play do the talking. No need to change that after it helped get them a Cup.
 

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I know you won't agree, but I think it is whichever team you back, the other is the one you think is dirty.
I'm sorry, which team's player bit a guy in the playoffs? Which team's player speared a guy in the pills with seven minutes left in Game 7? Which team's player speared a guy in the throat yesterday?

Dirty what now?



Thornton whining that Burrows speared him in the throat is pretty weak.
I don't think Thornton was whining by saying that it upset him (read: pissed him off). Intentionally sticking a guy in the throat is a little fucking much.
 

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Burrows, piece of shit as he may be, barely grazed him if at all there. Thornton was right to go after him, but to claim to the media after the game that he got speared there is like saying Marchand low-bridged Salo to the rafters and being serious about it.
 

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Burrows, piece of shit as he may be, barely grazed him if at all there. Thornton was right to go after him, but to claim to the media after the game that he got speared there is like saying Marchand low-bridged Salo to the rafters and being serious about it.
I think this is an agree-to-disagree one, my big-haired friend, because even trying to stick a guy in the throat is deserving of a good solid murdering.

Marchand dumping Salo can be called a dirty play. (I don't think it was, but there's an argument there.) Burrows trying to hit Thornton in either the neck or face with his stick isn't even a play.
 

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My heart-of-darkness hairjungle would extinguish the blaze of your firetruck-red natural skullcap any day, compadre.
 

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I'm sorry, which team's player bit a guy in the playoffs? Which team's player speared a guy in the pills with seven minutes left in Game 7? Which team's player speared a guy in the throat yesterday?

Dirty what now?
Well...Marc Savard bit Dan Carcillo for what that's worth.
 

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Bruins still have a Stanley Cup title, Canucks still have memories of getting punched in the mouth and of a burnt out and pillaged downtown. Gonna take a lot more than a random January loss to even that score and get me fired up about those clowns. Would love to see them again this June, but expect they'll be on the couch watching.
 

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I'm sorry, which team's player bit a guy in the playoffs? Which team's player speared a guy in the pills with seven minutes left in Game 7? Which team's player speared a guy in the throat yesterday?

Dirty what now?

I don't think Thornton was whining by saying that it upset him (read: pissed him off). Intentionally sticking a guy in the throat is a little fucking much.

which team jumped off their skates to elbow Horton in the head?
 

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Hey they aren't done! This is from the bottom of Craig Custance's ESPN article.

will have his phone hearing today for his hit on Sami Salo during Saturday's intense showdown between the Bruins and Vancouver Canucks. The intensity carried over into Sunday when Canucks coach Alain Vigneault spoke about the hit. He was told that Claude Julien suggested Marchand was trying to protect himself from being hit. "That's a stupid comment," Vigneault said, according to the Vancouver Province. "Marchand -- this is just my feeling on this -- some day he's going to get it. Somebody is going to say enough is enough, and they're going to hurt the kid because he plays to hurt players and in my mind if the league doesn't take care of it, somebody else will."
 

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As much as I agree with your assessment that the Bruins lost control of themselves and fell for the shit the Canucks were giving, I also feel like this wasn't just a matter of what happened yesterday. I think the Bruins have been wanting this game since Burrows bit Bergeron's finger, and even more so since Horton got taken out. Especially after listening to these pricks talk so much shit all off season and especially this week leading up to this game, I think the Bruins may have been more worried about making a statement before the game even started.
I realize that the Canucks had 11 power plays...but I'm trying to find a penalty that they took (other than Marchand) that was truly undisciplined.

There are several questionable calls that went against the Bruins, and the obvious icing that was missed for the Bruins, but here are just a few calls that I would say are crap and not the 'fell for what the Canucks were doing':

Horton trip - possibly a trip, but the exact same thing happened on the other end (worse actually) and wasn't called (does this make Vancouver undisciplined?)
Seguin trip - hard to see from the angle from TV, but certainly looked like a dive
Slash against Chara that wasn't called - given that Chara was on the puck it's odd that this wasn't called.
Crosscheck on Bergeron - given that it was a scoring chance it was again odd.
6 on 1 vs. Lucic game misconduct - this is again a case where the Bruins were not undisciplined, but were penalized anyway and harshly. How you end up on a 3 on 5 after that still needs to be explained.

The two 'fights' where the Bruins dropped the gloves and Vancouver didn't were possibly undisciplined, but the refs didn't call it that way.

I thought it was more a case of the refs actually falling for Vancouver's antics. Maybe I missed something, but the Bruins were way overpenalized in this game and for several infractions that were at least as questionable on the Vancouver end. If anything neither team played a disciplined game, but the Bruins were called more often.

Could those that watch more hockey than I..especially Bruins hockey (i'm in NYC so I only get to see National games).. where the Bruins 'fell' for what Vancouver was doing?