I think they did.
I'm not burying Mayo, I'm just not sure how promising a guy the HC job before he had even proved himself as a position coach means you did your due diligence in finding the best successor possible. Maybe better OC candidates weren't biting because Mayo is a relative unknown with few relationships outside NE which made it harder to put a staff together? If you had hired from outside or hired an offensive minded HC that issue could have been mitigated as well.
Mayo was clearly Kraft's choice to succeed Belichick. Honestly, any head coach was going to have tough shoes to fill, and so I don't see that hire being a problem. We'll need a couple of seasons to know for sure.
From reports they went all in on Caley, which would have had some of the same insular issues as Mayo, although he does have more external experience. Only after he turned them down did they turn to AVP. They do need to cast a wide net and try to get into the cutting edge of offense as much as possible. I'm actually afraid we might see Josh McD walk back through that door if he doesn't joinn BB next year.
This would scare you? The guy did wonders with rookie Mac. Josh has proven he sucks at the HC thing. But I would take him in a cocaine heartbeat back as OC.
Josh McDaniels coming back to develop Maye is much closer to my dream scenario than something I'd be afraid of.
So I think they spread a wide net on OC, and I actually think AVP made more sense than some of the other rumored candidates.
Right. Would be relatively stunned if Josh was willing to come back to work for Mayo in his former role*, but the idea that this is something to fear instead of celebrate is strange.
Should have elaborated. Mostly I'd be weary of a power struggle between him and Mayo, and that his offense has been passed by to some extent. His LV teams really struggled at the end of his tenure to score points. He's better than AVP, but I also think they could go in a better direction with fresh thinking/new talent.
Right, given how much failure there has been on the offensive side of the ball since Brady left, it's hard to tease apart who's responsible for what.
I'll buy this. If they continue to evolve and innovate a coordinator can stay relevant and very effective for decades. Plenty of examples of that, including Turner, LeBeau, Spags, Moore, etc. Josh is still young in coach years. If there's an open, competitive, real search, that could mitigate some of the concerns of just going back to the old guard.
From someone who knows nothing and criticized the hire, I dont know how anyone can think he needs to be fired. Even if you didnt want him hired, it is hard to assess much on a handful of games except that team has a terrible offensive line, a young and not great at this time receiver core, and a journeyman backup who started all the games to date and now is being replaced by someone making their first start of their career. Its an incomplete or TBD of epic proportions.
We are finalizing our opinion on his development after 60 minutes of football?
No. But I don't see how we can even have an overall opinion of AVP without seeing Maye take a single meaningful snap.
Selling the first overall pick will help fill numerous holes. They also don’t have an elite DT in Barmore right now either.
I think, for me, it’s more regression in areas of expected strength. We knew the offense sucked. But the defense getting shredded?
I agree that aside from Maye there isn't a lot of hope but I just don't know how this outcome is surprising. They rebooted everything over the off-season and few teams bounce right back from that sort of reset. They have a rookie HC, a bunch of new organizational people and a thin roster. Four wins feels like their ceiling and that feels realistic if they get any improvement from the skill players.
Can you reboot when you most of your offseason signings were your own free agents?
As mentioned in the broadcast, the Texans went 3-13-1 the year before they drafted Stroud. Quick turnarounds are always possible. The Pats appear to have missed their first chance to improve this year.
I really don't want to get dragged into the weeds on this because we are just being peak negative here. Use whatever term you want for an organization turning over leadership. I don't even care to discuss single games because they are meaningless in the context of this team's development.
We agree they are not good and expectations should have been low. Doesn’t mean we can’t discuss the team on a massage board though. You do this a lot in a lot of forums here. You often wonder why people discuss things on a message board. It’s fucking weird, man.
The question is do we actually trust Eliot Wolf to pick the right players, and this coaching staff to develop them?
I think it was reasonable for fans to want to see some improvement from last year. They sucked and had the 3rd overall pick. I know I was hopeful for a team that could play competitive games and improve over the course of the season. The team that played against the Bengals and most of the Seahawks game looked like that. Since then they have looked like a team that is going to have a Top 3 pick again. They also look poorly coached and disorganized.
I wasn't saying anything about discussions. I am just responding to the original thread question. Maybe they need to fire everyone and fold the team - but six games in feels a bit quick to me.
The 3-13-1 was the third consecutive year in which the Texans won 4 or fewer games. Not a comparable situation to the Pats.
Apologies if weird came across as aggressive or attacking. Not my intent. Your posts do seem to question why people are discussing things which seem antithetical to a message board. Just something I’ve noticed and brought it up here, perhaps wrongly.
The constant drumbeat we've heard over the last few years is that BB was overruling or otherwise making all personnel decisions over Wolf and others in the front office. Now Wolf has the team all to himself and the results are worse, if anything.
It’s way too early to judge Wolf, but also it's welrd people are tying him to BB as if they are philosophical partners .. He comes from a different tree and was brought in recently specifically to be the outside voice.
This is a fair response, thank you.
Good blocker and showed some wheels today on the TD. Really encouraging given his pre-injury pedigree - if he keeps his head on straight he's exactly the kind of player that warrants giving a bit of a longer development leash, especially given he's essentially 1 game in to seeing a competent passing attack around him.
He’s been with the team since 2020 and was director of scouting in 2022-23.
