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Such a dumb, regressive argument.

"You want to better at hockey than other people? You want to help your team win games? You deserve to be assaulted."

I'm all for physical and tough hockey. But keep it within the lines. You don't want him to score like that? Bury him every time he touches the puck behind the net so he's scared to go back there. Don't run him after the whistle when he's got his back to you.
 

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Zegras is 100% right. Beagle is a shitty player and a plug and he was acting like a petulant child. Git gud, loser.
 

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Such a dumb, regressive argument.

"You want to better at hockey than other people? You want to help your team win games? You deserve to be assaulted."

I'm all for physical and tough hockey. But keep it within the lines. You don't want him to score like that? Bury him every time he touches the puck behind the net so he's scared to go back there. Don't run him after the whistle when he's got his back to you.
It's also funny that "physical tough hockey" is synonymous in this case with blindside crosschecking someone that doesn't know you are there. You know, like a coward.
 

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Yandle is a healthy scratch tonight - ending his streak at 989 games - because the Flyers are a trash organization. Come on down Phil Kessel, you're the nhl's iron man.
 

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Panthers were down 2-6 to the Devils starting the 3rd period and ended up winning in OT 7-6.

I really, really want a Toronto-Florida first-round match-up for the goalscoring potential alone.
 

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I get they want to evaluate younger players and he's not in their plans next year but maybe let the streak hit an even 1000 first.
 

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Apparently Wild fans found Ryan Hartman's venmo and donated a shitload of money to cover the fine for giving Evander Kane the finger. It included a $200 donation from Kane's ex-wife :cool:
 

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I don’t think so. He’s fighting for inside position on the puck that took a hard carom off the boards that the goalie randomly decides to play because he presumably doesn’t think the play is that close to him yet. That seems more on the goalie for putting himself in a bad spot than Wilson IMO. Not sure if there are other angles that suggest otherwise.
 

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Big guy, skating hard, going for the puck and a bad result happened. Just good effort and good hockey. I hate the son-of-a-bitch, but he did nothing wrong there.
 

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I disagree with the majority opinion. To me he clearly freight trains a goalie who is still standing in the crease. To me the most charitable read on the play is that it's not so much that he did anything wrong, he just doesn't care about or respect anyone else on the ice, so it didn't matter to him that he was going to fight for position where the only possible outcome would have involved him barreling over the goalie still in the crease.
 

kenneycb

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The goalie’s pads are in the crease, his head, stick, and arms are very far outside of the crease and post. If the goalie was still in the crease and Wilson ran him over like that, Wilson would have run right into the post, not behind the net. The goalie made a stupid play on the puck and put himself in a bad position for either Wilson or his dman to barrel him over.
 

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The goalie’s pads are in the crease, his head, stick, and arms are very far outside of the crease and post. If the goalie was still in the crease and Wilson ran him over like that, Wilson would have run right into the post, not behind the net. The goalie made a stupid play on the puck and put himself in a bad position for either Wilson or his dman to barrel him over.
Agreed 100%. Goalie stuck his head where he shouldn't have. It's a fast game and Wilson was flying, no bad intent there whatsoever.
 

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You keep saying the goalie put himself in a bad situation and made a stupid play, but what would you have him do? The puck had already come out to the goal line when he touched it, so he had to be on the post to make sure nothing snuck by him there. Even if there's no bad intent, which is doubtful because of the player in question, it's still a completely reckless play by Wilson at bare minimum.
 

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Wilson's likely one of the few players in the league that attempts to take that route on the inside / goal-side.

He didn't do anything wrong here, but his style of play leads him to winding up in these positions more often than most. One of those "it is what it is" situations.
 

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You keep saying the goalie put himself in a bad situation and made a stupid play, but what would you have him do? The puck had already come out to the goal line when he touched it, so he had to be on the post to make sure nothing snuck by him there. Even if there's no bad intent, which is doubtful because of the player in question, it's still a completely reckless play by Wilson at bare minimum.
At about the face-off dot, Wilson makes a hard shift to take the inside path to the puck and the defender pushes him toward the net where he makes contact with the goalie just as he sticks his upper body outside the crease. Everything happened so fast. What do you expect Wilson to do there? Not take the inside track? Politely ask the defenseman not to ride him toward the net?
 

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I would expect Wilson to continue his path on the defensemen and win the puck off of him like every other player in the league would do instead of going right for the goalie.
 

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SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer
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I would expect Wilson to continue his path on the defensemen and win the puck off of him like every other player in the league would do instead of going right for the goalie.
lol, no.

I hate Wilson as much as any other rational hockey fan, but Wilson is trying to gain inside position to make a play for the puck.

He doesn’t go into the crease, he doesn’t appear to target the goalie. If the TOR D doesn’t put a body into him, Wilson likely avoids Campbell all together.
 

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The goalie’s pads are in the crease, his head, stick, and arms are very far outside of the crease and post. If the goalie was still in the crease and Wilson ran him over like that, Wilson would have run right into the post, not behind the net. The goalie made a stupid play on the puck and put himself in a bad position for either Wilson or his dman to barrel him over.
This. I hate Wilson with a passion, but the goalie is definitely reaching out of the crease and putting his upper body, stick etc all in the way to then get him whipped around from the impact.
 

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I would expect Wilson to continue his path on the defensemen and win the puck off of him like every other player in the league would do instead of going right for the goalie.
Not to pile on, but I strongly disagree. He didn't "go right for the goalie". (And forwards shift to take the inside track on defenseman near the net like that all of the time throughout the league.)
 

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You keep saying the goalie put himself in a bad situation and made a stupid play, but what would you have him do? The puck had already come out to the goal line when he touched it, so he had to be on the post to make sure nothing snuck by him there. Even if there's no bad intent, which is doubtful because of the player in question, it's still a completely reckless play by Wilson at bare minimum.
Hug the post and have his stick positioned so the puck doesn't get above the goal line while letting his defenseman handle the puck and not try to bat the puck when you have two guys barreling down at it. He has no obligation to play the puck there and, given the puck was still behind the goal line, there was not an immediate scoring chance prevented by playing the puck. He probably thought he had more time than he did and got caught in no man's land between two guys making a legitimate play on the puck. Shit happens. It's a physical game.
 

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I think Wilson is Matt Cooke 2.0, but I really can't find fault with him there. He cuts inside, which he is entitled to do and is a pretty good play IMO. The problem was, as others have elaborated: 1) the Toronto goalie came out to play the puck in an awkward situation, and 2) the Toronto defender closed in on Wilson and gave him nowhere else to go. We probably don't have this conversation if it's anybody else in the league (except one Brad Marchand).
 

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I disagree with the majority opinion. To me he clearly freight trains a goalie who is still standing in the crease. To me the most charitable read on the play is that it's not so much that he did anything wrong, he just doesn't care about or respect anyone else on the ice, so it didn't matter to him that he was going to fight for position where the only possible outcome would have involved him barreling over the goalie still in the crease.
I don't think Wilson did anything wrong but its clear that the second part of your premise is correct. Wilson doesnt care or respect anyone else on the ice and he has proven that literally dozens of times. That doesn't mean he intended to kill the goaltender here.
 

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The Rangers have tied Carolina for 1st in the Metro. Frederic Andersen also left last nights game with an injury. Really think staying in WC1 and jumping over is h best path for the Bruins.

In the West, Vegas lost to the Oilers. Vegas is 3 points behind LAK but they have a game in hand. That seems to be the best path for Vegas, they are 4 points behind DAL and NSH for the wild cards but both of those teams have a game in hand.
 

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Vegas lost again tonight, this time to the Devils in Vegas. They’re 3 points behind LA, with both teams at 5 left to play. They might really fall short.

EDIT: Vegas has vs. WAS, vs. SJ, @DAL, @CHI, @StL. The Kings have @ANA, vs. CHI, vs. ANA, @SEA, @VAN. I kinda see that as slight advantage for LA. Washington, Dallas, and St. Louis are still trying to win going into the postseason, while the only team that still has a chance at the playoffs in LA's schedule is Vancouver, and they could very well be eliminated by then.
 
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I think Vancouver is, somehow, back in and more likely to catch LAK than VGK. Vancouver is 4 points behind LAK, have a game in hand plus a head to head game left. They do have a tough remaining schedule:

Ottawa
@ Minnesota
@ Calgary
Seattle
LA
@ Edmonton

Toughish schedule. They should beat Ottawa tonight. Minnesota is jockeying with STL for home ice in their inevitable playoff series. Seattle stinks, obviously LAK has something to play for, then that last game could be against a resting Edmonton team. Edmonton could actually be in a position to choose their opponent since the winnter of the LAK/VAN/VGK battle will play Edmonton in the first round.

After last nights results, Hockey-Ref has Vancouver at 20.5% to make the playoffs. Vegas has fallen to 19.2%. Dom's model usually updates mid-morning so we'll see what his model thinks of both teams chances. Vegas was 52% to make the playoffs yesterday but I imagine last nights loss dealt a massive blow to their chances.

As it relates to VGK, I wonder what the fall out will be if/when they miss the playoffs. Foley doesn't strike me as the type of owner to sit idle and accept the injury excuse. I think it's fair to wonder if some of the injuries (Stone in particular) were slow played for cap purposes and now it's biting them in the ass. They will likely never have this much talent at their disposal again, they are already over next years cap with only 17 players signed so they will need to strip it down to some degree.
 

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I think Vancouver is, somehow, back in and more likely to catch LAK than VGK. Vancouver is 4 points behind LAK, have a game in hand plus a head to head game left. They do have a tough remaining schedule:

Ottawa
@ Minnesota
@ Calgary
Seattle
LA
@ Edmonton

Toughish schedule. They should beat Ottawa tonight. Minnesota is jockeying with STL for home ice in their inevitable playoff series. Seattle stinks, obviously LAK has something to play for, then that last game could be against a resting Edmonton team. Edmonton could actually be in a position to choose their opponent since the winnter of the LAK/VAN/VGK battle will play Edmonton in the first round.

After last nights results, Hockey-Ref has Vancouver at 20.5% to make the playoffs. Vegas has fallen to 19.2%. Dom's model usually updates mid-morning so we'll see what his model thinks of both teams chances. Vegas was 52% to make the playoffs yesterday but I imagine last nights loss dealt a massive blow to their chances.

As it relates to VGK, I wonder what the fall out will be if/when they miss the playoffs. Foley doesn't strike me as the type of owner to sit idle and accept the injury excuse. I think it's fair to wonder if some of the injuries (Stone in particular) were slow played for cap purposes and now it's biting them in the ass. They will likely never have this much talent at their disposal again, they are already over next years cap with only 17 players signed so they will need to strip it down to some degree.
I have been following this race closely and am loving the fall of Vegas. Buffalo owns their first round pick (top 10 protected) from the Eichel trade and now it is looking like it will be 15 or 16 instead of in the 20s. 538 has updated playoff odds and currently shows the following for the last three playoff spots out west:

DAL - 93% 98 proj. pts
NSH - 93% 97 proj. pts
LAK - 74% 96 proj. pts
VGK - 21% 93 proj. pts
VAN - 19% 93 proj. pts
 

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Dom's model is a bit more generous to VGK.

LAK 81%
VGK 28%
VAN 14%

And yeah, Sabres would probably be thrilled with the pick this year.
 

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I have been following this race closely and am loving the fall of Vegas. Buffalo owns their first round pick (top 10 protected) from the Eichel trade and now it is looking like it will be 15 or 16 instead of in the 20s. 538 has updated playoff odds and currently shows the following for the last three playoff spots out west:

DAL - 93% 98 proj. pts
NSH - 93% 97 proj. pts
LAK - 74% 96 proj. pts
VGK - 21% 93 proj. pts
VAN - 19% 93 proj. pts
Updated after NSH an LAK wins and a VAN OT loss last night:

DAL - 92% 98 proj. pts
NSH - 97% 98 proj. pts
LAK - 87% 97 proj. pts
VGK - 16% 93 proj. pts
VAN - 8% 92 proj. pts

DAL @ EDM & WAS @ VGK tonight. Go CAPs!
 

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Pittsburg created a fast track executive training program, and offered Amanda Kessel a slot in the program. Given her background/experience, it seems like a smart move bringing her in. Anyone know if the Bs have a similar program?

ESPN story
 

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Updated after NSH an LAK wins and a VAN OT loss last night:

DAL - 92% 98 proj. pts
NSH - 97% 98 proj. pts
LAK - 87% 97 proj. pts
VGK - 16% 93 proj. pts
VAN - 8% 92 proj. pts

DAL @ EDM & WAS @ VGK tonight. Go CAPs!
Vancouver is out. OTL to Ottawa and lost in regulation to Minnesota last night.

Dallas is on the ropes, losing to Edmonton and Calgary in regulation. VGK beat WSH in OT, now 2 points behind Dallas and even in games plsy. Next Tuesday, VGK @ DAL will probably be for all the marbles.
 

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Vegas blew a 4-2 lead with less than 3:00 to go in the 3rd against San Jose last night and lost in a shootout.

3 back of Dallas, who they play on Tuesday.
 

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4/25 Updates - Added games left and opponents:

LAK - 99+% - 96 current pts, 98 proj. pts; 2 away games remain: @SEA/@VAN
NSH - 98% - 94 current pts, 97 proj. pts; 3 games remain: CGY/@COL/@ARI
DAL - 91% - 93 current pts, 97 proj. pts; 3 home games remain: VGK/ARI/ANA
VGK - 11% - 90 current pts, 93 proj. pts; 3 away game remain: @DAL/@CHI/@STL

As cshea, pointed out upthread, Tuesday's DAL-VGK game will be huge. A DAL win would eliminate VGK. VGK currently owns the tiebreaker over only DAL.
 

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If CAR beats NYR on Tues, they clinch the Metro division. If NYR wins and then beats MON and WAS at home, NYR wins the Metro. My sense, however, is that NYR will be satisfied being the M2 and facing PIT/WAS in the 1st round rather than the M1 and facing BOS.

BOS needs 2 points to clinch the WC1 spot (vs. FLA, vs. BUF, @ TOR) over PIT (vs. EDM, vs. CLB), 3 points over WAS (vs. NYI, @ NYI, @ NYR), due to the win tiebreaker being in BOS's favor. I assume PIT and WAS will be looking to win all of their games to avoid being the WC2 and facing FLA in the 1st round. Ovi may not play for WAS this week, however, as he was hurt in yesterday's game (upper body injury). It is most likely that PIT will be the M3, BOS will be the WC1 and WAS will be the WC2.
 

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I think if the Canes beat the Devils in regulation their worst case scenario is a tie at 114 points. RW would be even at 46 (assuming Rags win all three in regulation) but ROW would go to Canes so they would finish first.

Edit: Bruins need three points. 106 clinches over Caps who are at 100 with three games left.
 

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I think if the Canes beat the Devils in regulation their worst case scenario is a tie at 114 points. RW would be even at 46 (assuming Rags win all three in regulation) but ROW would go to Canes so they would finish first.

Edit: Bruins need three points. 106 clinches over Caps who are at 100 with three games left.
I think the Bruins only need 2 pts as the Pens can only max out at 105, and the B's own the tie breaker.

Hopefully the B's are thinking payback for a tough season against Carolina. They lost by a combined score of 16-1 (3-0, 7-1, 6-0) over their 3 games!
 

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I think the Bruins only need 2 pts as the Pens can only max out at 105, and the B's own the tie breaker.

Hopefully the B's are thinking payback for a tough season against Carolina. They lost by a combined score of 16-1 (3-0, 7-1, 6-0) over their 3 games!
Ah you (and amfox) are correct. I was too focused on the Caps and missed the Pens max number.
 
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