April 30 Weekend gamethread
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Lamela absolutely should have been sent off and that's a a terrible foul (although nothing more than yellow) by Dier.
It really is noticeable how much more they let them play in the EPL. There would've been 3 cards instead of 1 in that sequence in La Liga.
There is something bizarre about Chelsea trying to run the clock out on a home draw so they can give their title to Leicester.
Seriously, this is what like playing an XI made up of eleven Rafael Marquezes. How was Dier not sent off there?
Nearside assistant should not be employed again. He's a coward. He didn't call the eye-poke the hand stamp, the Dier tackle and the Walker kick. All right in front of him.
This is so sweet for Leicester, can't even imagine what their supporters are going through right now. Congrats!!
I can only imagine the bitterness that Spurs are feeling, but they are not doing themselves proud at all. How badly does a team have to behave to make Chelsea look like the good guys?
Clattenburg lost control of the game once he didn't show cards for Rose and especially Ivanovic's early fouls. That was a signal to both sides that no one was getting sent off absent punches being thrown. Chelsea are just better at playing the winding up game than Spurs, who lost their heads in the second half.
Clattenburg must have looked at his card late and though, "how can there be nobody with more than 1"?
There are some games that are un-reffable. Clattenburg started out not wanting this game to be one that effectively decided the title off the pitch if he started tossing everyone out, which was a good instinct. It's hard to accept that players are really going to try to injure each other.
There was a moment in the second half where it seemed like Chelsea had grown disinterested, but then a set piece changed the game.
Chelsea in the premier league, down 2 at the half, were one draw and thirty losses before today.
There are some games that are un-reffable. Clattenburg started out not wanting this game to be one that effectively decided the title off the pitch if he started tossing everyone out, which was a good instinct. It's hard to accept that players are really going to try to injure each other.
There was a moment in the second half where it seemed like Chelsea had grown disinterested, but then a set piece changed the game.
Chelsea in the premier league, down 2 at the half, were one draw and thirty losses before today.
Hard not to think of Atleti here. They are just better at picking their spots and toeing the line without going over. Sure, it bites them every now and again like when Felipe Luis got sent off against Barca, but it's pretty remarkable how well they play on edge.
HE did a terrible job, but his linesmen let him down as well, some of the dirtiest stuff happened far from him but right in front of them and not once did they let him know, even when on the hand stamp he came over and asked the guy, he just froze up and pissed himself.
When a player commits a red card foul or two clear yellows and gets sent off, that's on the player not on the ref. The "deciding the title off the pitch" is just a cover for gutless performances from a referee. I think the ref does more to "decide the title off the pitch" when he swallows his whistle unjustly.
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My sister in law was pitchside today (she's a Chelsea employee)- said there was a fracas in the tunnel post match. Danny Rose apparently pushed Guus over amongst other things.
yeah they showed some of it on NBC near the entrance, looked like Rose and Costa were going after each other, also Walker I think was involved.
Costa was getting into it with the backup Spurs keeper (I think). Any time a total heel like Terry tries to mediate these dustups, it always cracks me up. As in "sure Vidal, please try and calm down these rabble-rousers."
There is a replay angle of that hand stamp that shows the linesman staring right at it as it happened. Shocking that he didn't tell Clattenberg.
The FA's reaction will be fascinating, beyond the fines and suspensions for players (I'd expect at least 2 maybe as many as 5 Spurs to get suspended) there is also going to be likely a charge for failure to control on both clubs. At the very least hefty fines, depending how bad the tunnel dustup got I think there is an outside chance Tottenham start next season in the hole.
Pocchettino giving a good interview. He is a great manager for that team and seems like a class guy all around.
No way Spurs get a point deduction. Dembele will be suspended and that's it. Clattenburg and/or the linesmen saw the rest
Of all the botched decisions tonight, I'm not convinced the hand stamp was intentional. Lamela could have been sent off two or three other times though, and Dier, Walker, Dembele, and Rose were also all lucky to stay on the pitch.
That's kind of uncharitable to Atleti. The AM I've watched plays hard, will tactically foul, will get a bit rough inside either box on the assumption that a ref won't call anything there, but isn't trying to injure and play mind games the way Costa is. It's possible to dislike Atleti's style of play, but I think it's really hard to consider them a dirty team the way, say, half a dozen Serie A teams are. Chelsea simply plays dirty. And today, Spurs just couldn't quite figure out how to deal with it - and Clattenburg did them no favors.
Other than the hand stomp, I didn't see much by Spurs there that looked dirty, just careless. Unnecessary or late tackles trying (desperately) to win the ball back and get a last attack in. I wasn't rooting for them, and no one could have complained if a red got shown there (or a yellow far earlier), but I don't think it reflected poorly on the character of Spurs players, just that they got frustrated at a title slipping from their grasp. Hard to blame 'em.
The problem is that there's always discretion, and every ref has to make a judgment early how much he's going to tolerate and whether he's going to go straight to his pocket to set the tone. I don't question Clatenburg's instinct on that to start the game. He wasn't clairvoyant. Obviously if he knew how it worked out he would have made a different decision.
I don't know what the assistant saw or didn't, but one of the consequences of allowing the FA to impose discipline based on what the cameras see is that it has the same impact that instant reply has the NFL, where refs become uncertain about their calls on the field. If you aren't sure, you let the FA sort it out. It's kind of the ref's version of Pascal's wager. If you're wrong, you send off a player unjustly. If you're pretty sure, but not positive, the cameras will have caught it and so the player will get his discipline. Yes, it's not fair to the team on the pitch playing, but we're close to the point where unless the contact is on a tackle or obvious and central, they are usually going to leave it to the cameras to sort out.
I think people are being overly critical here. If they didn't see the hand stamp or couldn't judge intent, they couldn't, and that is what it is. I thought Fabregas (I think it was Fabregas) could easily have gotten a yellow card for putting his hand in the face of the assistant and the ref, but I thought they did the right thing -- they got to together and talked and weren't sure.
The worst call was not giving Dier as second yellow. But Clattenburg played advantage, and by the time the play was over, it was a free kick and he knew he was going to blow the whistle once the ball went back in play, so it's not the worst thing ever.
The other main decision was not sending Pochettino off when he came on to the pitch, which I thought was an ok use of discretion.
You are out of your mind.
Spurs were filthy today.
The eye poke, the hand stomp. Walker kicking a player on the ground for no reason. Dier's two shameful tackles.
These weren't reactions to Costa, they were the actions of an undisciplined and dirty team, same as Alli's was.
Clattenberg did Spurs a number of favors, they should have had multiple players sent off, with only Ivanovic being a clear should have been sent off on Chelsea's side. Walker and Rose should both have been gone before the half just on terrible challenges (and Walker's kick), Demebele obviously as well.