Antoine Walker for 4?

snowmanny

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I like the thing where Larry Bird bets the Knicks trainer $5 he will bank in a three point shot during the course of the game, does it in the third quarter, and then runs by the NY bench waving five fingers at the poor sap while a befuddled Marv Albert declares that Bird was way off on his shot but got lucky. Can we just bring that back?  Way better than a four point shot.
 

wade boggs chicken dinner

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I agree with the 11 feet rims but that will never happen.  The NBA has too much money tied into the slam dunk.
 
As for inbounding the ball instead of foul shots, most rec leagues do this and I can tell you that it will make games really boring because teams simply won't be able to come back from a deficit. 
 

wutang112878

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bowiac said:
What empirics?
 
In the 3 seasons where the line was moved in, teams averaged 107.53 points per 100 possessions, which controls for pace. In the season before, it was 106.3 and the season after, it was 105, for an average of 105.65. If you want to do a three year rolling average, the number is the same (105.63 with the line out). In other words, teams were scoring about 2 points per 100 possessions more with the line in.
 
Maybe that's just random, but a quick glance at efficiency suggests teams were scoring more during that period, even controlling for pace.
 
I guess it depends on what you wanted to fix. 
 
At first glance I thought that during the shortened 3 period, 3pt attempts went up and scoring went up which makes sense.  Its somewhat interesting is that when 3pt attempts went back down the 3pt FG% hardly went down. 
 
But digging a little deeper, scoring went up because 3s were a better shot and they took more, but in addition you got better 2pt shooting as well. When the 3pt line moved in the 2pt FG% actually went up and then dropped again once the line was moved out.  And the spread between the 3pt FG% converted to a 2pt FG% was basically the same, so 3s were basically always an equally better shot than 2s. 
 
So they really got more artificially inflated scoring via more 3s but also the added benefit of better 2pt shooting which would suggest there was indeed better spacing.
 
 
NBA
Year Ortg 3pt FGA 3pt FG% 3pt FG% converted to 2pt FG% 2pt FG% Spread
1992/1993 108 734 34% 50% 49% 1.6%
1993/1994 106.3 811 33% 50% 48% 1.8%
1994/1995 108.3 1255 36% 54% 49% 4.7%
1995/1996 107.6 1316 37% 55% 49% 6.5%
1996/1997 106.7 1377 36% 54% 48% 6.0%
1997/1998 105 1043 35% 52% 47% 4.7%
1998/1999 ShortSeason ShortSeason Short Season Short Season Short Season Short Season
1999/2000 104.1 1125 35% 53% 47% 6.2%
2000/2001 103 1124 35% 53% 46% 6.9%
2001/2002 104.5 1209 35% 53% 47% 6.6%
2002/2003 103.6 1203 35% 52% 46% 6.2%
2003/2004 102.9 1224 35% 52% 46% 6.1%
 

zenter

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If part of the goal of proposed changes is to make the midrange shot more valuable, let's lower the value of close shots, since 3s aren't the only thing taking away from midrange usage. Create a semicircle around the hoop at a 6-foot radius. Any shots taken from within the radius are worth 1 point. Breakaway/fastbreak dunks are 2 points of the guy takes off outside the range, or if they are alley-oops.
 
There. Solved.
 

Devizier

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The post game has virtually disappeared from the league. I think "addressing" that issue is correcting problems that came up ten years ago.
 
A bigger issue is that the league is turning more and more into a three point bombers affair and that's really boring to me. I hate college basketball, and I don't want the NBA to resemble it.
 

CreightonGubanich

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I love the direction NBA offenses have gone. The post game is still important, but teams use it as much to create offense elsewhere as to actually score out of the post. Guys like LeBron, Wesley Matthews, and Carmelo are formidable post-up guys. It's no long behemoths bullying their way to the basket; the post-up game rewards big men who can pass, and there are more now than ever. Of course, it's still primarily a pick-and-roll game, but I think that's a positive - it rewards smart playmakers, and you see a whole lot of different styles showcased, from Tyson Chandler's assaults on the rim, to KG's pick-and-pop, to Steph Curry creating his own shot.
 
And the power forward post up game is still a weapon; Al Jefferson is an automatic double team every time he gets the ball down low. The key is being able to make other teams pay for that approach. 
 

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If you want to speed up the game and see more elegant offensive play, stop calling cheap fouls on the defense.  In today's NBA, when a star player drives the lane and misses, he's going to get a call 90% of the time.  And shooters who barely touched by the defender's fingertip fall backwards like they've been hit by a train and get free throws, 4-point plays etc.   It's just as easy to score by putting on a good act as it is by running interesting plays and passing the ball.